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09-12-2010, 03:59 PM
These are my 2 FAVORITE teams so I didn't really know who to cheer for but I am glad to see the PATS get the win!!
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09-12-2010, 03:59 PM
Bengals go down in the season opener and have left a lot of questions on the field.
The Difference in the game was a Special Teams TD and a INT for a TD, both in the first half.
Carson was abysmal in the first half, but looked impressive in the 2nd half.
Chad had a huge game, all because of the double coverage that TO was getting. Shipley and Gresham had some decetn catches.
Benson never really got started. The Bengals O-Line was pushed around and beaten on almost every play.
The Defense was flat out terrible. The secondary lost track of receivers all day long. The D-Line never came close to Brady. And then, what I thought what would be a decent Linebacker corp, was flat our horrible. They could not tackle and were never in any plays. They just looked pitiful. There will be serious improvement needed before this team can even consider getting back to an 8-8 season.
The Difference in the game was a Special Teams TD and a INT for a TD, both in the first half.
Carson was abysmal in the first half, but looked impressive in the 2nd half.
Chad had a huge game, all because of the double coverage that TO was getting. Shipley and Gresham had some decetn catches.
Benson never really got started. The Bengals O-Line was pushed around and beaten on almost every play.
The Defense was flat out terrible. The secondary lost track of receivers all day long. The D-Line never came close to Brady. And then, what I thought what would be a decent Linebacker corp, was flat our horrible. They could not tackle and were never in any plays. They just looked pitiful. There will be serious improvement needed before this team can even consider getting back to an 8-8 season.
09-12-2010, 10:42 PM
Better players same old Bengals. WOW I really expected a better showing.
09-13-2010, 09:48 AM
Well, allow me to do a run down on my thoughts....
1. Cincinnati's offensive scheme is terrible. You can't honestly look at me and tell me that the Patriots have that much better of an offensive team than the Bengals. Carson Palmer was a heisman winning QB, you have Ocho and TO split out wide, Shipley in the slot, Gresham at TE, and a combo of Benson and Bernard Scott in the backfield. Yet, with a team like that, and that strong of a receiving core, you would expect the Bengals to come out throwing it all over the field. Nope, not with Bratkowski as the OC. The Bengals try to run on 1st and 2nd down, then have to try and convert on 3rd down. When the play calling is this predictable, it is easy for a defense to stop you. Point #1, fire Bratkowski cuz he doesn't have a clue.
2. Carson Palmer is starting to take a lot of criticism from fans, and myself being one of them. But after watching the Bengals the past couple of years, I've come to realize that Palmer doesn't stand a chance as long at Brat is calling the plays. Like I mentioned in point #1, the offense is so predictable, it's hard for Carson to complete passes when the defense knows exactly when the Bengals are going to throw the ball. If they would allow their offense to do what it does best, which is pass the ball, the Bengals would be hard to stop. Once you get Carson comfortable, he's arguably one of the best QB's in the league. Then, once you get the defense thinking pass, you can slip in a run to Ced or Bernard and watch them reel off huge chunks of yardage. If you watch the Colts play, there is no reason why the Bengals shouldn't try to replicate that type of offense because you have the fire power to do so.
3. The pass rush from Cincy was terrible. Brady never got hit one time by any Bengals defender. I can only think of a couple of times that they even tried to blitz. If you give a QB like Brady time to stand in the pocket, he will pick you apart at will, just like he did the Bengals yesterday. ****, as much time as Brady had, I could stand in their and pick apart the defense. People want to blame the secondary, LB's, etc. for terrible coverage, but when a QB has 10 seconds to stand in the pocket, coverages are going to break down and players will get open, especially in a man defense. The front four of the Bengals absolutely have to get into the backfield for the Bengals to win games this year. Now, whether it's defensive personnel or Mike Zimmer is yet to be determined, but seeing as to how the Bengals had the 5th ranked D in the league last year, I will give Zimmer a pass and blame it on the personnel.
4. The special teams unit was atrocious. Nothing more to say about that.
The Bengals second half showed a lot of promise. Brat opened up his playbook and allowed the Bengals to do what they do the best, put the ball in Carson's hands to make a play. 324 passing yards later, the Bengals offense looked like the offense of old. I will say it again, there is no excuse for Brat to not let Carson be your play maker.
1. Cincinnati's offensive scheme is terrible. You can't honestly look at me and tell me that the Patriots have that much better of an offensive team than the Bengals. Carson Palmer was a heisman winning QB, you have Ocho and TO split out wide, Shipley in the slot, Gresham at TE, and a combo of Benson and Bernard Scott in the backfield. Yet, with a team like that, and that strong of a receiving core, you would expect the Bengals to come out throwing it all over the field. Nope, not with Bratkowski as the OC. The Bengals try to run on 1st and 2nd down, then have to try and convert on 3rd down. When the play calling is this predictable, it is easy for a defense to stop you. Point #1, fire Bratkowski cuz he doesn't have a clue.
2. Carson Palmer is starting to take a lot of criticism from fans, and myself being one of them. But after watching the Bengals the past couple of years, I've come to realize that Palmer doesn't stand a chance as long at Brat is calling the plays. Like I mentioned in point #1, the offense is so predictable, it's hard for Carson to complete passes when the defense knows exactly when the Bengals are going to throw the ball. If they would allow their offense to do what it does best, which is pass the ball, the Bengals would be hard to stop. Once you get Carson comfortable, he's arguably one of the best QB's in the league. Then, once you get the defense thinking pass, you can slip in a run to Ced or Bernard and watch them reel off huge chunks of yardage. If you watch the Colts play, there is no reason why the Bengals shouldn't try to replicate that type of offense because you have the fire power to do so.
3. The pass rush from Cincy was terrible. Brady never got hit one time by any Bengals defender. I can only think of a couple of times that they even tried to blitz. If you give a QB like Brady time to stand in the pocket, he will pick you apart at will, just like he did the Bengals yesterday. ****, as much time as Brady had, I could stand in their and pick apart the defense. People want to blame the secondary, LB's, etc. for terrible coverage, but when a QB has 10 seconds to stand in the pocket, coverages are going to break down and players will get open, especially in a man defense. The front four of the Bengals absolutely have to get into the backfield for the Bengals to win games this year. Now, whether it's defensive personnel or Mike Zimmer is yet to be determined, but seeing as to how the Bengals had the 5th ranked D in the league last year, I will give Zimmer a pass and blame it on the personnel.
4. The special teams unit was atrocious. Nothing more to say about that.
The Bengals second half showed a lot of promise. Brat opened up his playbook and allowed the Bengals to do what they do the best, put the ball in Carson's hands to make a play. 324 passing yards later, the Bengals offense looked like the offense of old. I will say it again, there is no excuse for Brat to not let Carson be your play maker.
09-13-2010, 12:03 PM
BCF4L Wrote:Well, allow me to do a run down on my thoughts....
1. Cincinnati's offensive scheme is terrible. You can't honestly look at me and tell me that the Patriots have that much better of an offensive team than the Bengals. Carson Palmer was a heisman winning QB, you have Ocho and TO split out wide, Shipley in the slot, Gresham at TE, and a combo of Benson and Bernard Scott in the backfield. Yet, with a team like that, and that strong of a receiving core, you would expect the Bengals to come out throwing it all over the field. Nope, not with Bratkowski as the OC. The Bengals try to run on 1st and 2nd down, then have to try and convert on 3rd down. When the play calling is this predictable, it is easy for a defense to stop you. Point #1, fire Bratkowski cuz he doesn't have a clue.
2. Carson Palmer is starting to take a lot of criticism from fans, and myself being one of them. But after watching the Bengals the past couple of years, I've come to realize that Palmer doesn't stand a chance as long at Brat is calling the plays. Like I mentioned in point #1, the offense is so predictable, it's hard for Carson to complete passes when the defense knows exactly when the Bengals are going to throw the ball. If they would allow their offense to do what it does best, which is pass the ball, the Bengals would be hard to stop. Once you get Carson comfortable, he's arguably one of the best QB's in the league. Then, once you get the defense thinking pass, you can slip in a run to Ced or Bernard and watch them reel off huge chunks of yardage. If you watch the Colts play, there is no reason why the Bengals shouldn't try to replicate that type of offense because you have the fire power to do so.
3. The pass rush from Cincy was terrible. Brady never got hit one time by any Bengals defender. I can only think of a couple of times that they even tried to blitz. If you give a QB like Brady time to stand in the pocket, he will pick you apart at will, just like he did the Bengals yesterday. ****, as much time as Brady had, I could stand in their and pick apart the defense. People want to blame the secondary, LB's, etc. for terrible coverage, but when a QB has 10 seconds to stand in the pocket, coverages are going to break down and players will get open, especially in a man defense. The front four of the Bengals absolutely have to get into the backfield for the Bengals to win games this year. Now, whether it's defensive personnel or Mike Zimmer is yet to be determined, but seeing as to how the Bengals had the 5th ranked D in the league last year, I will give Zimmer a pass and blame it on the personnel.
4. The special teams unit was atrocious. Nothing more to say about that.
The Bengals second half showed a lot of promise. Brat opened up his playbook and allowed the Bengals to do what they do the best, put the ball in Carson's hands to make a play. 324 passing yards later, the Bengals offense looked like the offense of old. I will say it again, there is no excuse for Brat to not let Carson be your play maker.
Matt Leinart was a Heisman winning QB and he got cut during the preseason.
Carson touches the ball on every offensive snap and he simply hasn't come back from his knee injury.
This is a Patriots offense that still has the key players from when they were the highest scoring team to every set foot on an NFL team.
So I can honestly look at you and tell you....
the Patriots are that much better of an offensive team.
09-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Batman and Robin?? What a joke! :biggrin:
09-13-2010, 12:07 PM
zaga_fan Wrote:Matt Leinart was a Heisman winning QB and he got cut during the preseason.
Carson touches the ball on every offensive snap and he simply hasn't come back from his knee injury.
This is a Patriots offense that still has the key players from when they were the highest scoring team to every set foot on an NFL team.
So I can honestly look at you and tell you....
the Patriots are that much better of an offensive team.
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09-14-2010, 09:13 AM
zaga_fan Wrote:Matt Leinart was a Heisman winning QB and he got cut during the preseason.Dude, the Patriots have a running game that is non-existent. You have a 45 year old running back who should have retired years ago. You have arguably the best QB in the league and arguably the best WR in the league in Moss. Welker is a good receiver, but he's not focused on like Moss is, often drawing defensive responsibilities of Linebackers.
Carson touches the ball on every offensive snap and he simply hasn't come back from his knee injury.
This is a Patriots offense that still has the key players from when they were the highest scoring team to every set foot on an NFL team.
So I can honestly look at you and tell you....
the Patriots are that much better of an offensive team.
When you look at Cincinnati's offense, you have a QB that, when healthy, throws for 4,000 yards per season. You have Ochocinco who has caught for over 1,000 yards every season except for one since he's been in the league. Terrell Owens who sits 3rd in all-time receiving yards in the NFL. Yes, he is on the decline, but is still a deep threat. Cedric Benson who rushed for almost 1300 yards last year. Overall depth from the offense, give the nod to Cincinnati.
I agree, you may have 2 superstars on your team, but the Bengals have more quality depth. Which tells me there isn't much of a talent discrepancy between the two teams.
(also, have you noticed, you and I have yet to agree on anything? :biggrin
09-14-2010, 09:54 AM
BCF4L Wrote:Dude, the Patriots have a running game that is non-existent. You have a 45 year old running back who should have retired years ago. You have arguably the best QB in the league and arguably the best WR in the league in Moss. Welker is a good receiver, but he's not focused on like Moss is, often drawing defensive responsibilities of Linebackers.
When you look at Cincinnati's offense, you have a QB that, when healthy, throws for 4,000 yards per season. You have Ochocinco who has caught for over 1,000 yards every season except for one since he's been in the league. Terrell Owens who sits 3rd in all-time receiving yards in the NFL. Yes, he is on the decline, but is still a deep threat. Cedric Benson who rushed for almost 1300 yards last year. Overall depth from the offense, give the nod to Cincinnati.
I agree, you may have 2 superstars on your team, but the Bengals have more quality depth. Which tells me there isn't much of a talent discrepancy between the two teams.
(also, have you noticed, you and I have yet to agree on anything? :biggrin
We'll agree someday, but not on this.
We can agree that Brady and Moss are on another level than the other players in question.
Welker is a different breed of receiver. He catches the ball quick and gets tons of YAC.
Welker got a TD on Sunday because they lined up 3 WR left. Two to block and one to catch(Wes). It left Moss all alone on the other side and you can't leave Moss by himself so they are forced to either go a man down on the left or put a Linebacker on a receiver.
He causes problems.
They added Alge Crumpler as a TE.
I myself think Ochocinco is overrated, even though he did play well on Sunday.
I'm not really sold on Benson as he isn't insanely fast or insanely strong either.
Gresham has a lot left to prove and as we know TO has had more luck screwing teams up than making them better.
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