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10-01-2009, 11:28 PM
Cards accuse Arroyo of cheating
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The Reds had their very own pine tar incident on Thursday.
It involved pitcher Bronson Arroyo, and while it probably wonât be remembered like the 1983 incident involving George Brett and his baseball bat, it perked up a slow morning in the Reds clubhouse.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported on Thursday that Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan had accused Arroyo of using pine tar to help grip the baseball Wednesday night.
âIâm sure he had pine tar on his cap,â Duncan was quoted as saying. âHe didnât have any problem getting a grip. Balls like that can generate a lot more movement than a slick ball that hasnât been rubbed up.â
That was the complaint from St. Louis starter John Smoltz, who walked five hitters Wednesday night. Before that, Smoltz had walked three batters in 34 innings with the Cardinals. Smoltz said the balls were not rubbed properly.
That led to Duncanâs accusation about Arroyo, who won his 15th game Wednesday after allowing one run on four hits.
Clubhouse attendants rub mud on the baseballs before each game to make them easier to grip.
A Dispatch blog on Thursday reported that Cardinals manager Tony La Russa believed the balls used Wednesdsay night had been tampered with.
According to the Dispatch, La Russa told the unidentified attendant, âI knew they were up to shenanigans. I appreciate you saying that.â
Thursday morning, Arroyo seemed bemused by the incident.
âI guarantee when I pitch against the Cardinals next year, Iâll call over and tell Dave Duncan Iâm wearing a brand new hat,â Arroyo said.
Arroyo said heâs been wearing the same cap all season, and as a result itâs stained on the bill.
âThatâs what happens. Itâs from playing in every other park where thereâs so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on your fingers every time.
âI guess he said I went to my hat time after time. Yeah, I do 8,000 other twitches. What do you want me to do about it? Thatâs how I pitch.â
After the game, Arroyo took a stronger tone.
âI was using the balls from the same bag as Smoltz,â Arroyo said. âThey rub the balls up anyway they want the next time we go to St. Louis. I guarantee I wonât walk five guys.â
Reds pitching coach **** Pole also strongly challenged the Cardinalsâ claims.
âThat must have meant (Dennys) Reyes, (Josh) Kinney and (Brad) Thompson were using pine tar, too. They didnât have any trouble throwing the ball over the plate,â he said.
Reyes, Kinney and Thompson pitched the final four innings for the Cardinals.
Reyes walked one, the other walked none.
Arroyo said heâs dealt with balls that were hard to grip, particularly at Yankee Stadium in October.
âThatâs just the way it is,â he said. âYou find a way to pitch ... I donât know I thought I had the day off.â
In an Associated Press story, Reds manager Dusty Baker said the Cardinals know plenty about doctored caps.
âIf anybody should know, it would be Duncan,â Baker said. âI remember they had Julian Tavarez over there. They threw his hat out, remember that? His hat was all messed up. Itâs not like itâs something new.â
Tavarez was suspended for eight days by Major League Baseball in 2004 for applying a foreign substance to balls during a game against Pittsburgh that Aug. 24.
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The Reds had their very own pine tar incident on Thursday.
It involved pitcher Bronson Arroyo, and while it probably wonât be remembered like the 1983 incident involving George Brett and his baseball bat, it perked up a slow morning in the Reds clubhouse.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported on Thursday that Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan had accused Arroyo of using pine tar to help grip the baseball Wednesday night.
âIâm sure he had pine tar on his cap,â Duncan was quoted as saying. âHe didnât have any problem getting a grip. Balls like that can generate a lot more movement than a slick ball that hasnât been rubbed up.â
That was the complaint from St. Louis starter John Smoltz, who walked five hitters Wednesday night. Before that, Smoltz had walked three batters in 34 innings with the Cardinals. Smoltz said the balls were not rubbed properly.
That led to Duncanâs accusation about Arroyo, who won his 15th game Wednesday after allowing one run on four hits.
Clubhouse attendants rub mud on the baseballs before each game to make them easier to grip.
A Dispatch blog on Thursday reported that Cardinals manager Tony La Russa believed the balls used Wednesdsay night had been tampered with.
According to the Dispatch, La Russa told the unidentified attendant, âI knew they were up to shenanigans. I appreciate you saying that.â
Thursday morning, Arroyo seemed bemused by the incident.
âI guarantee when I pitch against the Cardinals next year, Iâll call over and tell Dave Duncan Iâm wearing a brand new hat,â Arroyo said.
Arroyo said heâs been wearing the same cap all season, and as a result itâs stained on the bill.
âThatâs what happens. Itâs from playing in every other park where thereâs so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on your fingers every time.
âI guess he said I went to my hat time after time. Yeah, I do 8,000 other twitches. What do you want me to do about it? Thatâs how I pitch.â
After the game, Arroyo took a stronger tone.
âI was using the balls from the same bag as Smoltz,â Arroyo said. âThey rub the balls up anyway they want the next time we go to St. Louis. I guarantee I wonât walk five guys.â
Reds pitching coach **** Pole also strongly challenged the Cardinalsâ claims.
âThat must have meant (Dennys) Reyes, (Josh) Kinney and (Brad) Thompson were using pine tar, too. They didnât have any trouble throwing the ball over the plate,â he said.
Reyes, Kinney and Thompson pitched the final four innings for the Cardinals.
Reyes walked one, the other walked none.
Arroyo said heâs dealt with balls that were hard to grip, particularly at Yankee Stadium in October.
âThatâs just the way it is,â he said. âYou find a way to pitch ... I donât know I thought I had the day off.â
In an Associated Press story, Reds manager Dusty Baker said the Cardinals know plenty about doctored caps.
âIf anybody should know, it would be Duncan,â Baker said. âI remember they had Julian Tavarez over there. They threw his hat out, remember that? His hat was all messed up. Itâs not like itâs something new.â
Tavarez was suspended for eight days by Major League Baseball in 2004 for applying a foreign substance to balls during a game against Pittsburgh that Aug. 24.
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10-01-2009, 11:31 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll...ofile=1071
There appears to be something under Bronson Arroyo's bill in this photo taken from Wednesday night. Arroyo's explanation, "Itâs from playing in every other park where thereâs so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on young fingers every time.
There appears to be something under Bronson Arroyo's bill in this photo taken from Wednesday night. Arroyo's explanation, "Itâs from playing in every other park where thereâs so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on young fingers every time.
10-02-2009, 12:18 AM
I see what hes saying, when it is dusty and ,muddy, your cap does become dirty like this
10-02-2009, 10:51 AM
Total joke. No other pitcher that participated in the game for St. Louis complained about not being able to grip the ball. It's crazy.
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