Fairview 70 Ashland 46

Truth · 01-14-2015, 04:56 AM

Final. 0-16. Mason County is next.

Creeker · 01-14-2015, 03:01 PM

I assume it's safe to say at this point that the two Rosehill games are the only expected wins this season? Would this make for the worst season in history for the Tomcats?

washed up · 01-14-2015, 03:29 PM

Expected? At this point? Rose Hill has to believe they have a chance.

Creeker · 01-14-2015, 04:32 PM

^True

**Pulp Fiction** · 01-14-2015, 04:43 PM

Truth Wrote:Final. 0-16. Mason County is next.

Is that correct.... The Ashland Tomcats are 0-16?????

mightydog · 01-15-2015, 12:48 AM

Creeker Wrote:I assume it's safe to say at this point that the two Rosehill games are the only expected wins this season? Would this make for the worst season in history for the Tomcats?

Heard they were bringing in mayo to prevent this:biglmao:

**topnotch** · 01-15-2015, 02:26 AM

Who wud o thunk it.

Fattyfatpat · 01-15-2015, 07:00 PM

Unbelievable that a storied program like Ashland can fall that far! Is Biggs still the coach there?

Truth · 01-16-2015, 05:47 AM

Fattyfatpat Wrote:Unbelievable that a storied program like Ashland can fall that far! Is Biggs still the coach there?

What do those who describe a program as "storied" mean? In truth, how much of the "story" is fact and how much is really over- hype.
When one thinks of a "storied program" in Kentucky high school ranks, one should probably limit it to Louisville Trinity and Fort Thomas Highlands in football.

Biggs is still there but there is, in all honesty, no talent.

Dream1983 · 01-16-2015, 07:24 AM

Ashland's basketball program is a "storied" one, with a great history of great teams, coaches and players, present team excluded of course. If I am not wrong they are number one in the state's history in wins, that would qualify them as more than hype. Not saying they are above being criticized, especially this season, but other than this season and a few others the Tomcat program is one of the most recognized and over the history of Kentucky high school basketball, still one of the most successful ones overall in Kentucky history. Not trying to start an argument by any means, but for many, many years the Tomcat basketball team was the measure of success for a lot of schools, maybe not now, but for a long time they were.

FRANKtheTANK · 01-16-2015, 05:32 PM

Ashland struggling to say the least. How's the future look for them?

Truth · 01-16-2015, 06:02 PM

Dream1983 Wrote:Ashland's basketball program is a "storied" one, with a great history of great teams, coaches and players, present team excluded of course. If I am not wrong they are number one in the state's history in wins, that would qualify them as more than hype. Not saying they are above being criticized, especially this season, but other than this season and a few others the Tomcat program is one of the most recognized and over the history of Kentucky high school basketball, still one of the most successful ones overall in Kentucky history. Not trying to start an argument by any means, but for many, many years the Tomcat basketball team was the measure of success for a lot of schools, maybe not now, but for a long time they were.

Fair enough. The 1928 team was historic as was the 1961 team. Some of the teams of the 1930s were very successful. After Clark County moved to the 10th Region and before consolidation of region schools, they did dominate the 16th Region for a long while.

So, I guess we can say that they have s storied past which, since they haven't won the region for over 12 years and probably won't for the foreseeable future, is not storied in recent years. They are no longer the biggest school in the region and there is no longer any "magic", if there ever was any in reality, in playing there.
But, all need to hang on to their past so good for them. "Remember when" is a popular saying in many circles.

washed up · 01-16-2015, 06:17 PM

Outside of Rowan from the 16th a couple years ago wasnt the Ashland the last team from the 16th to make the championship game?

Truth · 01-16-2015, 07:31 PM

washed up Wrote:Outside of Rowan from the 16th a couple years ago wasnt the Ashland the last team from the 16th to make the championship game?

Yes, but they lost by a large margin to Paintsville. Is that really significant? On the other hand, if you are saying that Ashland has a "storied" history in the 16th Region, I wholeheartedly agree. But, so does Clark County.

washed up · 01-16-2015, 08:00 PM

Storied = celebrated in or associated with stories or legends, Looked at the KHSAA website and found the Ashland has the second most championships at 4 behind Henry Clay and Lafayett both at 6, the second most runner ups with 4 behind Male with 5, and the most tournament wins with 48. One listed national championship. They did lose to Paintsville in 1996 by 18. I dont think that storied quantifies a certain time period. If so based on these numbers they would be one of the most storied of all time. Sure things changed in the 90's with the push of AAU and Ashland has failed to keep up in that department, but to say they are not storied is simply false.

Truth · 01-16-2015, 11:04 PM

washed up Wrote:Storied = celebrated in or associated with stories or legends, Looked at the KHSAA website and found the Ashland has the second most championships at 4 behind Henry Clay and Lafayett both at 6, the second most runner ups with 4 behind Male with 5, and the most tournament wins with 48. One listed national championship. They did lose to Paintsville in 1996 by 18. I dont think that storied quantifies a certain time period. If so based on these numbers they would be one of the most storied of all time. Sure things changed in the 90's with the push of AAU and Ashland has failed to keep up in that department, but to say they are not storied is simply false.

"Storied" is always in the eyes of the beholder. Playing in the 16th Region has been a big benefit to Ashland. Playing in one of the better regions would, obviously, diminish the story. Nonetheless, to those who support them, Ashland does have a impressive, not great, history based on the past but certainly not on reasonably recent history.

If you want real "storied" programs in basketball, you might look to Cuba, Brewers, and even Wayland and King Kelly Coleman. Now, those three schools produced stories which really are legends in the Commonwealth. Of course, like Ashland, none of the three have been to the state tournament in many years but, then, they haven't been in existence for many years.

washed up · 01-17-2015, 02:29 PM

I gave you no region stats only State Tourney stats. If storied is in the eye of the beholder so be it. Haters will always be haters. I didnt go to Ashland, my children did. I am not a homer for the school by any means. I played them one time in the regional tournament and we won. I gave you statistics not opinion to support the definition and you provided your eye. I dont know what your resentment of the school stems from, it really doesnt matter. I hope that whatever inner satisfaction you are getting by trolling the Ashland threads and slamming the school will give you some closure on your issues. I would hate to live that way, but that is just my opinion. If you say not storied becuase that is your opinion so be it.

Creeker · 01-17-2015, 02:49 PM

^ I am kind of like you in a way... never was a big Ashland fan myself, but considering they have had the success they've had, be it in the past, that is still a lot more than most schools of this region of Eastern Kentucky can say. Many area schools can't even make the claim of a regional tournament championship, much less 4 State Championships in their schools history.

I do agree with what Truth says, as the "magic" of Ashland may be more limited to the Ashland faithful, but you can't argue with the history and tradition of the school... even if it has been a number of years since they've shown great success.

Truth · 01-17-2015, 05:53 PM

washed up Wrote:I gave you no region stats only State Tourney stats. If storied is in the eye of the beholder so be it. Haters will always be haters. I didnt go to Ashland, my children did. I am not a homer for the school by any means. I played them one time in the regional tournament and we won. I gave you statistics not opinion to support the definition and you provided your eye. I dont know what your resentment of the school stems from, it really doesnt matter. I hope that whatever inner satisfaction you are getting by trolling the Ashland threads and slamming the school will give you some closure on your issues. I would hate to live that way, but that is just my opinion. If you say not storied becuase that is your opinion so be it.

You might want to remove your silly emotion and read mightydog's post in the Mason County-Ashland thread. He is quite knowledgeable about the program. And that doesn't make him or anyone else in the "know" a "hater" but merely indicates that he is one who knows that the maroon emperor wears no clothes.

Clint Westwood · 01-17-2015, 05:58 PM

washed up Wrote:I gave you no region stats only State Tourney stats. If storied is in the eye of the beholder so be it. Haters will always be haters. I didnt go to Ashland, my children did. I am not a homer for the school by any means. I played them one time in the regional tournament and we won. I gave you statistics not opinion to support the definition and you provided your eye. I dont know what your resentment of the school stems from, it really doesnt matter. I hope that whatever inner satisfaction you are getting by trolling the Ashland threads and slamming the school will give you some closure on your issues. I would hate to live that way, but that is just my opinion. If you say not storied becuase that is your opinion so be it.

Sounds like Patch/Cat Scratch Fever/Dream1983 against little ole Fairview. I agree, folks on here that do that to schools but more importantly to the kids, they must have some really deep inner issues that probably stem from their childhood.

nekysportsfan · 01-17-2015, 09:16 PM

From their history of posts, Truth and Harry Rex Vonner really hate Ashland, more than in just a local rival hatred sort of way. Someone affiliated with Ashland must have really wronged them at some point in time.

**topnotch** · 01-17-2015, 10:20 PM

Ashland has to much tradition to stay down long.

washed up · 01-19-2015, 10:10 PM

Ashland reaping the rewards of all the crying, whistle blowing, and self righthesness while at the same time making behind closed door deals to bring transfers in, then have their favorite mouthpiece Dicky Martin cry loud and long about every other school. How long will it be before the transfers start rolling in to get Ashland back? mightydog

How does this support your definition of storied? I thought that was the subject of you post.

**E's Army** · 01-19-2015, 10:30 PM

Ashland has a great history. Hard to believe they have fell to this level.

Dream1983 · 01-20-2015, 10:01 AM

Clint Westwood Wrote:Sounds like Patch/Cat Scratch Fever/Dream1983 against little ole Fairview. I agree, folks on here that do that to schools but more importantly to the kids, they must have some really deep inner issues that probably stem from their childhood.

I don't know who you are or who you are grouping me with, but all I did was respond to a post on here and it wasn't even anything from you. And I actually didn't say anything about the Eagles so whatever you reading into my previous comment, it is way off because I never said an ill word about Fairview.