[Raiderforlife]

No one said they felt inferior. Try reading that again.
I didn't see any cold, hard facts, or even hard, cold facts.
There are countless examples here of students thriving who were held back a year.
The cold, hard fact is that the age rule states students are eligible if they turn 19 after Aug. 1, and until that changes it doesn't matter how many times anyone stays back as long as they meet that guideline.

Some people who get shot in the head live- you want to make that a rule? The fact is that this is a game. I have played at every level of this game and can tell you with absolute certainty that it will end and these athletes will have to enter the workforce. When that happens they may find themselves unable to compete with other students who were not held back. In addition we are no longer competing with junior down the street but rather people from all over the world who take education seriously and who by the way are out performing 75 % of Kentucky high school graduates.

[THE_WAY_I_SEE_IT]

I agree with raider on this........i enjoy sports as much as the next guy and have played on all levels as well. I cant believe this thread has gotten this much attention. The only place this affects anybody is in middle school......are parents so caught up in ms athletics that they cant see past their own nose. If you want your child to excel on the field thats great. There isn't a parent alive that doesn't want that. If you have to hold back in order to do that then so be it. Khsaa again simply says you cant play again in the same grade.....their not saying you cant hold a child back. I stated on another post that in a few years kids will have to be 6 before they can enter kindergarten anyway. This will stop a lot of the holdback issue i think. Keep them back as long as you want. The playing field levels out in high school and very few of these kids will ever see the sidelines of a college playing field and those that do even less of them will go any further than that.. If they do thats great......get education paid for any way you can. Its outrageous belive me!! But the grades come along with it. Focus on the classroom though........coaches and recruiters love to see athletes that can split scholarship money between academics and athletics. Plus they never worry about those kids in the classroom. You folks need to get over this and move on.......keep them at home as long as possible. But dont use athletics as a means to do that or think that an extra season in the "7th" grade is going to determine whether they play college athletics or not. Hold them back and let them play travel ball or something against kids that are there own age and ability level and gain some real experience.

[FarristownFlyer]

If it complies within the rules of the KHSAA...then who cares?...NOT ME!

[HDE]

Some people who get shot in the head live- you want to make that a rule? The fact is that this is a game. I have played at every level of this game and can tell you with absolute certainty that it will end and these athletes will have to enter the workforce. When that happens they may find themselves unable to compete with other students who were not held back. In addition we are no longer competing with junior down the street but rather people from all over the world who take education seriously and who by the way are out performing 75 % of Kentucky high school graduates.

How is it that repeating a grade at some point means they won't be able to compete?
It may not help, either academics or athletics, and I am not writing in opposition of the KHSAA rules, but I don't see how an extra year means they are headed for disaster.

[topnotch]

Absolutely true... :Thumbs:

But keeping it solely within the realm of athletics, there's also a question of fairness which holding back a student violates. If a good 6th grade 11 y/o ballplayer is held back a year (for athletic "excellence" or whatever) and competes the following year as a 12 y/o, a non-level playing field is created since this 12 y/o (in the fast growing years) is now playing against smaller 11 y/o kids.

Everything shouldn't revolve around varsity sports. Allowing the hold back of kids for athletic reasons is simply not fair to the -competing- kids in 6th grade who are progressing normally.



:popcorn:

What you are saying is true however, That kid has A right to be held back to, so, don't punish the kid who wants to be held back just because another kid doesn't.They keep telling that A kid is not loosing elgibility if he is held back not true, he either sets out a year or he will be unable to play a year in HS, That year wheather it is HS or middle Will allow him plenty time to play video games and practice skills on skate boarding,he may find time to get A Tatoo, and smoke A little dope.

[topnotch]

KHSAA Sucks

[topnotch]

Any barrier we put up that would exclude any child from playing on any level is wrong. The age limit should take care of every one concerns.

[nky]

Any barrier we put up that would exclude any child from playing on any level is wrong. The age limit should take care of every one concerns.

If a 7th grader has played one year at the 7th grade why should they get to play another year at the same level?

[RunItUpTheGut]

That's exactly it. If you feel your child needs held back a year to be able to compete in athletics, chances are hes still going to suck 5 years later. Just the cold truth.
Whos to say he'll even play high school ball...

[topnotch]

NKY First it will make A better athlete playing and practicing aganst A better kid. But the best reason I know is simply because A parent feels it is best for any reason. I know many kids that didn't play any sport that were held back, that means that A kid will be punished just because he is an athlete. NO ONE WOULD SAY ONE WORD IF A STUDENT WAS HELD BACK SO HE COULD BLOW THE TUBA ONE MORE YEAR SO HE MAY BE GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE COLLEGE PHILHARMONIC.

[topnotch]

Paren/t should take care of their own business if you want to take your child out because he can't compete do so, but don't try to interfere with A child who wants to catch up on his math, his growth, started in school to young, not developed as fast as other kid, or had mono and missed to much school. come on now you missed school you had mono and was held back, you can't play. BULL SHIT I want any one out there to tell me it wan't hurt high school sports in KY. and how it will hurt.

[topnotch]

I have A really good idea for those who are concerned that A child may not compete. Why would we not let each child play so many minutes in each contest. We may also take down the part of the score board that displayes the score. I have always said I would rather come to my childs game and watch him set on the end of the bench than watch him play on A looser.
There are all kinds of things we can do to equalize the ability of our children. do we really want that?

[topnotch]

Absolutely true... :Thumbs:

But keeping it solely within the realm of athletics, there's also a question of fairness which holding back a student violates. If a good 6th grade 11 y/o ballplayer is held back a year (for athletic "excellence" or whatever) and competes the following year as a 12 y/o, a non-level playing field is created since this 12 y/o (in the fast growing years) is now playing against smaller 11 y/o kids.

Everything shouldn't revolve around varsity sports. Allowing the hold back of kids for athletic reasons is simply not fair to the -competing- kids in 6th grade who are progressing normally.



:popcorn:

What you are saying is true however, That kid has A right to be held back to, so, don't punish the kid who wants to be held back just because another kid doesn't.They keep telling that A kid is not loosing elgibility if he is held back not true, he either sets out a year or he will be unable to play a year in HS, That year wheather it is HS or middle Will allow him plenty time to play video games and practice skills on skate boarding,he may find time to get A Tatoo, and smoke A little dope.

[topnotch]

The kid that can't compete with children should play intramurals; or the tuba.

[insideinfo]

INSIDEINFO
I agree with holding them back. I think the extra year at home and to mature is a good thing.
I was just trying to say if you are holding them back "just for athletics" and to get that football scholarship it probably doesnt increase your chances.

I will agree about sport scholarships, it is a hell of a lot easier to get a academic scholarships.

[nky]

NKY First it will make A better athlete playing and practicing aganst A better kid. But the best reason I know is simply because A parent feels it is best for any reason. I know many kids that didn't play any sport that were held back, that means that A kid will be punished just because he is an athlete. NO ONE WOULD SAY ONE WORD IF A STUDENT WAS HELD BACK SO HE COULD BLOW THE TUBA ONE MORE YEAR SO HE MAY BE GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE COLLEGE PHILHARMONIC.

:pondering:maybe the parents should be more concerned with the child s education.

[Gitback Coach]

I'm in my mid-50s, and I was at least the fourth generation of my family to play high school sports (mainly football). Likewise, I hope that my kids (1 boy, 1 girl) want to participate/contribute to their schools' sports programs.

But an alarming number of parental attitudes and behaviors leave me baffled. I can see why growing numbers of families are deciding to just leave some programs "to the crazies."

[More Cowbell]

What you are saying is true however, That kid has A right to be held back to, so, don't punish the kid who wants to be held back just because another kid doesn't.They keep telling that A kid is not loosing elgibility if he is held back not true, he either sets out a year or he will be unable to play a year in HS, That year wheather it is HS or middle Will allow him plenty time to play video games and practice skills on skate boarding,he may find time to get A Tatoo, and smoke A little dope.

Actually, it is true that the player is not losing any eligibility. By repeating the grade, he is simply "delaying" one of his playing years. He will still get to play once as a 5th grader, once as a 6th grader, once as a 7th grader, etc. all the way up through playing once as a 12th grader. This will give him the same number of years of eligibility as everyone else.

This rule does not prevent anyone from holding back. After sitting out the holdback year, the child simply resumes playing again, albeit a year stronger and more mature. The parents still get what they wanted all along.

[topnotch]

I am just concerned that we as A state whether we like it or not are behind bordering states in HSAA, I have yet to get a response as to who the KHSAA REPORTS TO. HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE KNOW OF AGENCIES THAT HAS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT JUST VOTES YES AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISINOR.

[cj2561]

It is bad in Perry Co.

[topnotch]

Thanks cj 2561

[topnotch]

You are A great bunch of football nuts, I want to say good luck and A safe ride home, you are all great, see you after the game tomorrow night. 55 enjoy your marshmallow.

[baller55]

As long as they are not driving to school in the 8th grade, then who gives a flying rats azz!!!!!!!!!!!