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The Difference Between Gillispie & Tubby
#31
Tubby is a defensive coach and his players that go on to the NBA are good defenders. Looks like the NBA likes that. I hope UK and Minn. somehow meet in a tourney. I'm not sure Billy Clyde could handle Tubby.
#32
blitz43 Wrote:Tubby is a defensive coach and his players that go on to the NBA are good defenders. Looks like the NBA likes that. I hope UK and Minn. somehow meet in a tourney. I'm not sure Billy Clyde could handle Tubby.
Are you serious? We've seen how Tubby has done against teams that play an up tempo style of basketball. And what about Gillispie being a defensive coach? Did you not see the way Ramel shut down Chris Lofton? I don't remember that kind of defensive intensity the last 3 years from Bradley. I will agree, Tubby is a fantastic defensive coach, one of the best in the country, IMO, but offense is what killed him in Lexington. he couldn't compete with the teams that ran up and down the court (Mempis, Kansas, North Carolina). I would love to see UK and Minn. meet up in the post-season, but I honestly believe that UK would be too much because of the offensive pace and the defensive intensity Gillispie has them playing with.
#33
I was curious and decided to do a little research. I combined the 1996 & 1998 seasons, because IMO, it would be unfair to compare a run of 3 years (1996-1998) to a 2-year run (1948-1949). As good as that 1996 team was, and we all know it was VERY VERY good with 6 future NBA players and all, the run Adolph Rupp had in the late 1940s was AMAZING! Here are some number I found.

1996 & 1998
  • Overall Record: 69-6
  • SEC Record (including conference tournament): 35-3
  • 2 National Championships
  • 2 Final Fours
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Regular Season Championships
  • 1 Southeastern Conference Tournament Championship
  • Won 69 games by an average margin of 17. 4 points per game
  • Won by fewer than 10 points 15 times
  • 1 All-American (Tony Delk, 1996)

1948-1949
  • Overall Record: 68-4
  • SEC Record (including conference tournament): 30-0
  • 1 Olympic Gold Medal
  • 2 National Championships
  • 2 Final Fours
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Regular Season Championships
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Championships
  • Won 68 games by an average margin of 24.2 points per game
  • Won by fewer than 10 points only 5 times!!!!
  • 3 All-Americans (Alex Groza, 1948-1949; Ralph Beard, 1948-1949; Wallace Jones, 1948-1949)

We can all agree that the 1996 team was one of the best in NCAA history. But what Rupp had in 1948-1949 was nothing short of unbelievable. Defeating your opponents by a 24.2 ppg margin, and winning by single digits only 5 times!!! To me, that's amazing!!! Not only did he win the NCAA Championship, but he led the same starting 5 to an Olympic Gold Medal. It's easy to say, after looking at these numbers that the University of Kentucky has had some "pretty good" runs on the hardwood. :Clap:
#34
StrikeoutKing Wrote:I was curious and decided to do a little research. I combined the 1996 & 1998 seasons, because IMO, it would be unfair to compare a run of 3 years (1996-1998) to a 2-year run (1948-1949). As good as that 1996 team was, and we all know it was VERY VERY good with 6 future NBA players and all, the run Adolph Rupp had in the late 1940s was AMAZING! Here are some number I found.

1996 & 1998
  • Overall Record: 69-6
  • SEC Record (including conference tournament): 35-3
  • 2 National Championships
  • 2 Final Fours
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Regular Season Championships
  • 1 Southeastern Conference Tournament Championship
  • Won 69 games by an average margin of 17. 4 points per game
  • Won by fewer than 10 points 15 times
  • 1 All-American (Tony Delk, 1996)

1948-1949
  • Overall Record: 68-4
  • SEC Record (including conference tournament): 30-0
  • 1 Olympic Gold Medal
  • 2 National Championships
  • 2 Final Fours
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Regular Season Championships
  • 2 Southeastern Conference Championships
  • Won 68 games by an average margin of 24.2 points per game
  • Won by fewer than 10 points only 5 times!!!!
  • 3 All-Americans (Alex Groza, 1948-1949; Ralph Beard, 1948-1949; Wallace Jones, 1948-1949)

We can all agree that the 1996 team was one of the best in NCAA history. But what Rupp had in 1948-1949 was nothing short of unbelievable. Defeating your opponents by a 24.2 ppg margin, and winning by single digits only 5 times!!! To me, that's amazing!!! Not only did he win the NCAA Championship, but he led the same starting 5 to an Olympic Gold Medal. It's easy to say, after looking at these numbers that the University of Kentucky has had some "pretty good" runs on the hardwood. :Clap:



thats a really good comparison, however its nearly impossible to compare 60 years ago to now...its a completely different game! what they did was amazing for its era, but the game has changed so much and the athletes have changed so much that imo its almost irrelevant to compare the two because of how different the game is played now...
#35
I bet that Billy won't pass up a player like Chris Lofton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#36
OMG Wrote:thats a really good comparison, however its nearly impossible to compare 60 years ago to now...its a completely different game! what they did was amazing for its era, but the game has changed so much and the athletes have changed so much that imo its almost irrelevant to compare the two because of how different the game is played now...
I wasn't comparing the two eras, because I know there was no 3-point line, I know the game is faster now and the kids are stronger, but UK faired against its opponents in 1948-1949 the same as it did in 1996 & 1998. Could Rupp win back-to-back titles now with the 1948 team? No!! But what he did was still great because it was against competition that, at the time, was as tough then, as the rest of the NCAA was in 1996.
#37
bleedblue2002 Wrote:I bet that Billy won't pass up a player like Chris Lofton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again if Tubby got Lofton instead of the other guys, there would have been riots in the streets.
#38
One other difference, Tubby never got beat by 40+
#39
Panther Thunder Wrote:One other difference, Tubby never got beat by 40+

because theres a word called preparation that billy g has got in his vocabulary yet...maybe we should have word association day for him up at the college
#40
bleedblue2002 Wrote:I bet that Billy won't pass up a player like Chris Lofton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't understand what people don't get about the Lofton situation. Kentucky had signed three McDonalds All Americans at guard that year, it was one of the most talented recruiting classes in recent memory at UK. Nobody was complaining about not getting Lofton then. The situation at Tennessee allowed him to develop into a much better player than he ever would have at Kentucky. It is easy now to look back and say that it was a mistake not getting him but at the time nobody would have guessed he would have as successful a college career as he has had. :mad:
#41
OMG Wrote:because theres a word called preparation that billy g has got in his vocabulary yet...maybe we should have word association day for him up at the college

I don't believe Billy G is as clueless about coaching as you say he is or he wouldn't have a job.
#42
Brooks4Prez Wrote:I don't understand what people don't get about the Lofton situation. Kentucky had signed three McDonalds All Americans at guard that year, it was one of the most talented recruiting classes in recent memory at UK.

Bradley was not an All American guard. Rondo(G), Crawford(G), and Morris© were the McDonald's All Americans.
#43
DALE Wrote:Bradley was not an All American guard. Rondo(G), Crawford(G), and Morris© were the McDonald's All Americans.

You are correct, my bad, should have put 3 McDonalds All Americans, two at guard.
#44
Plz somebody tell me besides patterson what billy g player do we have they are all tubby players . And who do you think is the best player on the team? PATTERSON I mean last year if we didnt get morris back we would have had a bad season just give billy g time
#45
Gillispie will be fine. No, Tubby never lost by 40, but he never played a team as talented as Vandy is this year with a team as "not talented" as Kentucky. Kentucky is talented, don't get me wrong, but let's face it. For the most part, they have somewhat "overachieved" this season. They will get blown out AT Tennessee. This team just can't win on the road against solid opponents. Was this team prepared last night? Maybe not, but you have to credit Vandy as much as you blame Kentucky. They came out and shot nearly 70% in the first half. Was that due to UKs lack of defesne or excellent shooting by Vandy? I say both. Let's give credit where credit is due, and accept the fact that we got embarassed by a very good team on their home court. I seriously doubt Gillispie and the players are worrying about last night's game today. I can guarantee they are focusing on LSU now. Get over it and move on!!! We can't go back and change it so griping and complaining isn't going to change anything.
#46
DALE Wrote:Bradley was not an All American guard. Rondo(G), Crawford(G), and Morris© were the McDonald's All Americans.



exactly and everybody knew coming in that Rondo wouldn't be a four year player...Crawford was a highly recruited guard out of michigan, and so was lofton out of kentucky...i think the point everyone tries to make with the lofton situation is that he was in our own backyard and we let him go to another state...thats unacceptable....do you think Bobby Knight(when he was at indiana) would have let a kid of lofton's ability get out of the state of indiana without snatching him up first...i dont think he would....he was a bad job on the entire staff at UK that season and it was a part of the reason people turned on him....you cant say they turned on him because of the championships because look how long it took Pitino to win one....something like 7 years(im not sure if he started in 89 or 88)...Tubby had a lot of mishaps like these on recruiting...at the beginning he was good in recruiting because he was still riding Pitino's name and the kids were still looking at the legacy he put together, but whenever it got into just Tubby's way of doing thing, the recruiting fell off...

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