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Liz(Cheney) & Me: What's the World Coming To?
#1
What's this world coming to when I like Liz Cheney more than I like the lady who is next in line to the presidency (Harris)?  While I'm not in love with Liz' ultra-conservative politics, I like her courage and the strength of her convictions. There are next to no courageous politicians on either side of the aisle anymore. Democrats and Republicans both are a bunch of cowards. Everything is political expediency. Liz took a stand, knowing it would cost her , not only her leadership position in the House, but eventually her Senate seat as well. That's courage that we need more of from our representatives in Washington. I think she's a patriot.

This thread is about what you think Liz's future is in the GOP? Trump's on the way out, it seems.  Does Liz regain status within the party or has she completely ostracized herself from playing any future role? Does Liz make a political comeback or does she remain a woman without a party?

In polls, she garners 2, maybe 3% support among Republican voters. I'd say she would fare much better if she ran in a Democratic primary than she would running for the GOP nomination.

What do you all think? Is she done as a Republican or does she make a comeback in the days after Trump , becoming a power player again in Republican politics?  At one time, she looked like a viable future candidate for the presidency.   Now, she has Republicans wanting to stone her in a public square .


What's the world coming to?  Guys like me like Liz more than former Democrat Kyrsten Sinema or VP Harris and guys like Hoot and Jet like Kyrsten and Manchin more than Mitch and McCarthy ?



What in the hell is the world coming to ???


#2
(12-16-2022, 01:36 PM)Old School Hound Wrote: What's this world coming to when I like Liz Cheney more than I like the lady who is next in line to the presidency (Harris)?  While I'm not in love with Liz' ultra-conservative politics, I like her courage and the strength of her convictions. There are next to no courageous politicians on either side of the aisle anymore. Democrats and Republicans both are a bunch of cowards. Everything is political expediency. Liz took a stand, knowing it would cost her , not only her leadership position in the House, but eventually her Senate seat as well. That's courage that we need more of from our representatives in Washington. I think she's a patriot.

This thread is about what you think Liz's future is in the GOP? Trump's on the way out, it seems.  Does Liz regain status within the party or has she completely ostracized herself from playing any future role? Does Liz make a political comeback or does she remain a woman without a party?

In polls, she garners 2, maybe 3% support among Republican voters. I'd say she would fare much better if she ran in a Democratic primary than she would running for the GOP nomination.

What do you all think? Is she done as a Republican or does she make a comeback in the days after Trump , becoming a power player again in Republican politics?  At one time, she looked like a viable future candidate for the presidency.   Now, she has Republicans wanting to stone her in a public square .


What's the world coming to?  Guys like me like Liz more than former Democrat Kyrsten Sinema or VP Harris and guys like Hoot and Jet like Kyrsten and Manchin more than Mitch and McCarthy ?



What in the hell is the world coming to ???


You are wrong on so many counts, I don't think that I can respond to all of them in a reasonably short reply. Liz Cheney is a willing participant in a witch hunt that has resulted in our federal government taking political prisoners, which include citizens who were (arguably) guilty of nothing more serious than simple trespassing. Cheney's motivation is far from the noble ideals that you have ascribed to her. Donald Trump decimated Jeb Bush's political career through extremely childish nicknames and taunts of Bush during the 2016 GOP primary campaign. Liz is part of the Bush-Cheney political dynasty, and her participation in the unfounded impeachments of Trump and the Jan. 6 hearings were nothing more than a case of political payback. 

BTW, Liz Cheney is not an "ultraconservative," and Donald Trump is not a "conservative." She espouses some conservative positions, as one would expect of a politician from Wyoming. Trump is a populist who holds some popular conservative positions.

Cheney has destroyed any chance that she ever had of becoming a Republican president. The innocent victims of the Jan. 6 hearings will always be around to remind Republicans of what a political hack Liz Cheney has been.

Finally, Hoot is not a fan of Joe Manchin. The man is nothing but a grandstanding political hack who, like so many RINOs, campaigns as a conservative but governs like a liberal. He extorts bribes from Democrat politicians to buy the votes of West Virginians. I hope that Manchin leaves the Democrat Party, but I would never vote for the man. Manchin has shown that the only thing that really matters to him is political power and media attention.
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#3
I agree that Donald Trump is not a conservative , or even knows what a conservative is. He will play the role of a conservative to benefit himself . He would also play the role of a liberal(which he has) if he thought it would be to his personal benefit.

Just like I've said about Mitch many times, I'll say about Liz as well. Never count her out. Strong woman!!!

Hoot, do you really believe that Liz's actions were just a revenge thing for Trump's slimy treatment of her friend, Jeb? You don't think she was disturbed by 1/6 and thought her country's democracy was jeopardized and wanted to hold the perpetrators accountable? She would sacrifice her political career because of Jeb's hurt feelings? Come on now, Hoot. I think her motivations were noble and not just some petty personal thing over Trump's belittling of her friend and former governor .
#4
Liz Cheney is a Democrat and an idiot. Of course OSH would love her. She parrots the same opinions that have been assigned to him, and he laps them up without knowing how or why.
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(12-16-2022, 02:50 PM)Old School Hound Wrote: I agree that Donald Trump is not a conservative , or even knows what a conservative is. He will play the role of a conservative to benefit himself . He would also play the role of a liberal(which he has) if he thought it would be to his personal benefit.

Just like I've said about Mitch many times, I'll say about Liz as well. Never count her out. Strong woman!!!

Hoot, do you really believe that Liz's actions were just a revenge thing for Trump's slimy treatment of her friend, Jeb?  You don't think she was disturbed by 1/6 and thought her country's democracy was jeopardized and wanted to hold the perpetrators accountable? She would sacrifice her political career because of Jeb's hurt feelings?  Come on now, Hoot.  I think her motivations were noble and not just some petty personal thing over Trump's belittling of her friend and former governor .
Liz Cheney is not just a "friend of Jeb." Liz Cheney is part of what was one of the most powerful political dynasties in this nation's history. All of Liz Cheney's political power flowed to her as a part of that dynasty. Jeb Bush was supposed to be the dynasty's next president and Trump killed the dynasty by lopping off its head. Liz Cheney's political prospects were greatly diminished when Trump mortally wounded the Bush-Cheney dynasty.

There was nothing noble about supporting the unfounded impeachments of Donald Trump and there was nothing noble about Liz Cheney's role in destroying the lives of innocent trespassers as part of a petty political feud. Note that I am not claiming that there were no participants in the January 6 event that deserved prosecution, but many were guilty of nothing more than walking through an open door of a public building - and that is what I meant by them being arguably guilty of trespassing.

People died across this country as a result of the BLM riots, which were publicly supported and encouraged by Biden, Harris, the Democrat Party, and their accomplices in the media. Where were the hearings and were the criminal prosecutions for the violent actions that took place during 2020 that led up to the election? Where were Liz Cheney and the two major political parties? They were too busy pursuing petty political witch hunts to be bothered with seeking real justice for the Americans who were killed, maimed, and deprived of their private property rights during the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020.
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(12-16-2022, 04:15 PM)jetpilot Wrote: Liz Cheney is a Democrat and an idiot. Of course OSH would love her. She parrots the same opinions that have been assigned to him, and he laps them up without knowing how or why.


Liz had one of the strongest conservative voting records in Congress. I have one of the worst conservative voting records in history(0%).  Liz and I share a couple things in common. We love our democratic republic and we are courageous , strong, and true to our convictions  in the face of bullying and intimidation. While I likely wouldn't vote for her(unless she switched parties and changed some of her beliefs), she has my admiration and respect. I love strong, courageous women and she is just that.   The GOP needs more Liz Cheneys and fewer Boeberts and Greenes.

(12-16-2022, 04:15 PM)jetpilot Wrote: Liz Cheney is a Democrat and an idiot. Of course OSH would love her. She parrots the same opinions that have been assigned to him, and he laps them up without knowing how or why.


I think most of Congress, including Mr. McConnell and Mr. McCarthy, would agree that Liz is no Democrat and certainly no idiot. For one thing, Democrats can be pretty stupid at times and they are cowards most of the time. Liz is neither stupid , nor a coward. Really, she doesn't fit very well with either party, nowadays. She's smarter and has a helluva lot more courageous that most legislators in either party.
#7
What's the world coming to you rhetorically ask?

Your mischaracterizations of Hoot and Jet's opinions notwithstanding--- I think you like Liz solely because you appreciate anyone willing to roll over on the traditional conservative values of the recent past. And Hoot has her just right; hers has been an active participation in a political hit job in the name of getting even or better possibly in her mind, getting better than even. IMO Liz has no political future in the Republican Party no matter how far back in her rear view the Trump era ebbs.

As far as Kyrsten Sinema is concerned;  whereas Liz seemingly has no issue with personal integrity,  Sinema thankfully (for her sake) has limits as to how far she can allow herself to be drug towards the cliffs of the group-think abyss. A trait with which I will readily agree almost every other member of the Democrat Conference doesn't act like they have a problem.

The world/humanity, have come to open and unashamed appreciation of sin. And while everybody realizes that this already judged world is the only place we have to live right now, God's own understand that while ours is not to judge others, neither should we just accept all the decadence and misery as acceptable until man can supposedly cure all of his own ills. And in that lies the choice we must all make. That being whether to go along with the idea that man can cure all the problems, secular humanism. Or men rejecting the absurdly flawed world system, (of which all political parties around the world are part);  to believe what God has said in His Holy Word and seek Christ as Savior, putting faith in Him.

Joshua 24:14-15  (KJV)


14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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(12-17-2022, 02:53 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: What's the world coming to you rhetorically ask?

Your mischaracterizations of Hoot and Jet's opinions notwithstanding--- I think you like Liz solely because you appreciate anyone willing to roll over on the traditional conservative values of the recent past. And Hoot has her just right; hers has been an active participation in a political hit job in the name of getting even or better possibly in her mind, getting better than even. IMO Liz has no political future in the Republican Party no matter how far back in her rear view the Trump era ebbs.

As far as Kyrsten Sinema is concerned;  whereas Liz seemingly has no issue with personal integrity,  Sinema thankfully (for her sake) has limits as to how far she can allow herself to be drug towards the cliffs of the group-think abyss. A trait with which I will readily agree almost every other member of the Democrat Conference doesn't act like they have a problem.

The world/humanity, have come to open and unashamed appreciation of sin. And while everybody realizes that this already judged world is the only place we have to live right now, God's own understand that while ours is not to judge others, neither should we just accept all the decadence and misery as acceptable until man can supposedly cure all of his own ills. And in that lies the choice we must all make. That being whether to go along with the idea that man can cure all the problems, secular humanism. Or men rejecting the absurdly flawed world system, (of which all political parties around the world are part);  to believe what God has said in His Holy Word and seek Christ as Savior, putting faith in Him.

Joshua 24:14-15  (KJV)


14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Liz is a principled conservative with the voting record to back it up. Plus, she has courage and integrity. I don't agree with some of her conservative stances but I respect the hell out of her.  She definitely gets a fist bump from  OSH . I appreciate her service in helping preserve our democratic republic against those who wanted to destroy it.


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Lizzy Cheney took an an axe and gave ol' Trumpy forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave McCarthy forty-one.
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LOL. And what did you say she's polling among Republicans about now, 2%?  In a word that number is abysmal.

Without backing up one iota on my  post, I will concede that you have a thing for Liz. Oh and FYI, whatever you copied and pasted came out encrypted on BGR.
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(12-17-2022, 05:15 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(12-17-2022, 02:53 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: What's the world coming to you rhetorically ask?

Your mischaracterizations of Hoot and Jet's opinions notwithstanding--- I think you like Liz solely because you appreciate anyone willing to roll over on the traditional conservative values of the recent past. And Hoot has her just right; hers has been an active participation in a political hit job in the name of getting even or better possibly in her mind, getting better than even. IMO Liz has no political future in the Republican Party no matter how far back in her rear view the Trump era ebbs.

As far as Kyrsten Sinema is concerned;  whereas Liz seemingly has no issue with personal integrity,  Sinema thankfully (for her sake) has limits as to how far she can allow herself to be drug towards the cliffs of the group-think abyss. A trait with which I will readily agree almost every other member of the Democrat Conference doesn't act like they have a problem.

The world/humanity, have come to open and unashamed appreciation of sin. And while everybody realizes that this already judged world is the only place we have to live right now, God's own understand that while ours is not to judge others, neither should we just accept all the decadence and misery as acceptable until man can supposedly cure all of his own ills. And in that lies the choice we must all make. That being whether to go along with the idea that man can cure all the problems, secular humanism. Or men rejecting the absurdly flawed world system, (of which all political parties around the world are part);  to believe what God has said in His Holy Word and seek Christ as Savior, putting faith in Him.

Joshua 24:14-15  (KJV)


14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Liz is a principled conservative with the voting record to back it up. Plus, she has courage and integrity. I don't agree with some of her conservative stances but I respect the hell out of her.  She definitely gets a fist bump from  OSH . I appreciate her service in helping preserve our democratic republic against those who wanted to destroy it.


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Lizzy Cheney took an an axe and gave ol' Trumpy forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave McCarthy forty-one.
The only forty Liz got was getting fired from her job in Congress by the fine voters in Wyoming by about 40 points in a massive humiliating landslide.
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(12-17-2022, 05:15 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(12-17-2022, 02:53 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: What's the world coming to you rhetorically ask?

Your mischaracterizations of Hoot and Jet's opinions notwithstanding--- I think you like Liz solely because you appreciate anyone willing to roll over on the traditional conservative values of the recent past. And Hoot has her just right; hers has been an active participation in a political hit job in the name of getting even or better possibly in her mind, getting better than even. IMO Liz has no political future in the Republican Party no matter how far back in her rear view the Trump era ebbs.

As far as Kyrsten Sinema is concerned;  whereas Liz seemingly has no issue with personal integrity,  Sinema thankfully (for her sake) has limits as to how far she can allow herself to be drug towards the cliffs of the group-think abyss. A trait with which I will readily agree almost every other member of the Democrat Conference doesn't act like they have a problem.

The world/humanity, have come to open and unashamed appreciation of sin. And while everybody realizes that this already judged world is the only place we have to live right now, God's own understand that while ours is not to judge others, neither should we just accept all the decadence and misery as acceptable until man can supposedly cure all of his own ills. And in that lies the choice we must all make. That being whether to go along with the idea that man can cure all the problems, secular humanism. Or men rejecting the absurdly flawed world system, (of which all political parties around the world are part);  to believe what God has said in His Holy Word and seek Christ as Savior, putting faith in Him.

Joshua 24:14-15  (KJV)


14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Liz is a principled conservative with the voting record to back it up. Plus, she has courage and integrity. I don't agree with some of her conservative stances but I respect the hell out of her.  She definitely gets a fist bump from  OSH . I appreciate her service in helping preserve our democratic republic against those who wanted to destroy it.


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Lizzy Cheney took an an axe and gave ol' Trumpy forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave McCarthy forty-one.
The good people of Wyoming would not have taken the axe to a principled conservative's political career. She ignored the will of the voters who sent her to Washington to represent them and those voters gave Liz Cheney exactly what she deserved on election day.

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