[Ghostofjoey]

All those guys you mentioned getting D1 schollies would have gotten them regardless of whether or not they played in FBU. Therefore, FBU is meaningless.

I played D 1 football and I have a kid playing college football. And I love the game. BUT, I also know your body has a limited # of snaps in it. If you are not representing your school or getting paid to play, it's not worth it. Especially for a young athlete that has an undetermined future.

I feel the same way about AAU basketball and Travel baseball/soccer.

[Wildcat18]

If the timeframe didn't cause many problems, if I were a coach I would let your son play. That's just me. There a lot of high school coaches in the mountains that don't like their basketball players and to play football and that I feel has hurt their team some. I for one love having some physical football players on my basketball team. Nothing like a 6'2-6'4 - 240-270 kid pushing people around in the middle. I love it. Hope everything works out for your son Wildcat. They are only young once. That FBU does sound amazing.

I don't have any kids involved, just using an example with my opinion. Just feel there is a lot of misinterpretation on this thread. It's not an FBU problem. It's a coaching problem. The basketball vs. football fight is one we see all the time. In this state especially, it being a basketball oriented state. I just don't believe in coaches making middle school kids pick one at that age. Let them do what they want to do and what is best for their families. Dabble in both and then decide later on which route may be the best to take to get your college education paid for.

[TigerBlues]

Aaahhh the times they are a changin'

[Wildcat18]

All those guys you mentioned getting D1 schollies would have gotten them regardless of whether or not they played in FBU. Therefore, FBU is meaningless.

I played D 1 football and I have a kid playing college football. And I love the game. BUT, I also know your body has a limited # of snaps in it. If you are not representing your school or getting paid to play, it's not worth it. Especially for a young athlete that has an undetermined future.

I feel the same way about AAU basketball and Travel baseball/soccer.

Drake Jackson for example is ranked as a top 3 center in the nation. I always say that the center position is the most valuable position on the field. If I'm not mistaken, he has played very little center at Woodford County. He'll be a center or guard at UK probably. How do you think he was viewed at the center position without playing it in high school? Heck, Woodford went 3-8 this year. Do you think a lineman on a team like that even gets a look from D-1 schools without the help?

I agree with you on the rest of your comment. Football is a tough sport and it does take a toll on your body. With that said, who are you or me to tell anyone when they can or cannot do anything? That is the point of the thread. It's not my, your, or a basketball coach's decision to tell a middle school player that they can't play football and basketball at the same time if the dates align. I'm not saying a suspension for being late or some extra conditioning isn't warranted, but to completely deny a kid from being on the team? That's the argument.

Again, please understand it is not an FBU issue. It's the basketball vs. football coaches battle.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I don't know about any of you, but if somebody has let me play 35 games a year I would have loved it. I hated how short the seasons seemed when playing. I know the safety issues in playing football a lot, but kids put in a hell of a lot of lifting hours and practice hours year round to maybe only play 9 or 10 games. Just doesn't seem worth it to some im sure. I would have played a game every day of the week if we could. Hell, practices were always much harder hitting than games.

[goBIGblue82]

I don't know about any of you, but if somebody has let me play 35 games a year I would have loved it. I hated how short the seasons seemed when playing. I know the safety issues in playing football a lot, but kids put in a hell of a lot of lifting hours and practice hours year round to maybe only play 9 or 10 games. Just doesn't seem worth it to some im sure. I would have played a game every day of the week if we could. Hell, practices were always much harder hitting than games.

You and I both Gut. I would have given anything to play more games. However, with this they were vastly exaggerating. This tournament is an elimination tournament with only 2 games guaranteed and a maximum of 6 games if reaching the National Championship. So even in addition to the 10-12 games played during their season it's nowhere near the outrageous claims that some people made. And I agree practices always seemed more taxing on the body.

[mysonis55]

I love how we are so doom and gloom about Ky football here. Do you realize that 3 of the top 5 winningest teams in the nation are right here in Ky?

[TigerBlues]

I love how we are so doom and gloom about Ky football here. Do you realize that 3 of the top 5 winningest teams in the nation are right here in Ky?

Had no idea 55, that's pretty awesome though.

[64black&gold]

I know a family that is taking has taken their kid to several of the all star middle school games. It has cost them a fortune. The kid is a good football player but these games will not increase his 40 times or help him grow 4-5" in order for him to play D-I. He works hard and plays hard and will get some assistance at some level but these All star will give him nothing than he would have gotten already. IMO of course.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I love how we are so doom and gloom about Ky football here. Do you realize that 3 of the top 5 winningest teams in the nation are right here in Ky?

Because playing the gloom and doom of Kentucky nicker:

[Wildcat18]

I know a family that is taking has taken their kid to several of the all star middle school games. It has cost them a fortune. The kid is a good football player but these games will not increase his 40 times or help him grow 4-5" in order for him to play D-I. He works hard and plays hard and will get some assistance at some level but these All star will give him nothing than he would have gotten already. IMO of course.

He will get looks at an 8th grader that most kids do not get until they're juniors or seniors in high school. I look at is as an investment for the family. I do not like all the money changing hands and financial issues that come with it, but it is what it is. It does benefit to some extent. No one can deny that.

[Wildcat18]

I love how we are so doom and gloom about Ky football here. Do you realize that 3 of the top 5 winningest teams in the nation are right here in Ky?

You must keep in mind that very few high schools were collecting wins in 1924 like Mayfield has been. I will say that on paper, that stat is impressive. However, if you look at the the last decade, we have been severely passed by other states. Trinity is the only one close to sniffing the national success during that time and even now they're considered "down" nationally. You take Kentucky's best and pair it with Texas, Florida, California, Alabama, Georgia's best...I don't think it would be that close as a whole.

[RicFlair]

You must keep in mind that very few high schools were collecting wins in 1924 like Mayfield has been. I will say that on paper, that stat is impressive. However, if you look at the the last decade, we have been severely passed by other states. Trinity is the only one close to sniffing the national success during that time and even now they're considered "down" nationally. You take Kentucky's best and pair it with Texas, Florida, California, Alabama, Georgia's best...I don't think it would be that close as a whole.

Whole lot more people down there as well. Kentucky had Louisville and Lexington. FL for example has Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville, and Talahassee just to name a few. Plus, who doesn't wanna live at the beach in tropical weather year round?

[RicFlair]

If you want to compare KY, compare them to a state with similar population, it's just like comparing Mayfield to Trinity, Mayfield is a great program but of course they're gonna get destroyed by Trinity

[TigerBlues]

If you want to compare KY, compare them to a state with similar population, it's just like comparing Mayfield to Trinity, Mayfield is a great program but of course they're gonna get destroyed by Trinity

What's the spread ? I'm on action like that if its slanted

[Iam4thecats]

all those guys you mentioned getting d1 schollies would have gotten them regardless of whether or not they played in fbu. Therefore, fbu is meaningless.

I played d 1 football and i have a kid playing college football. And i love the game. But, i also know your body has a limited # of snaps in it. If you are not representing your school or getting paid to play, it's not worth it. Especially for a young athlete that has an undetermined future.

I feel the same way about aau basketball and travel baseball/soccer.

truth

[Wildcat18]

If you want to compare KY, compare them to a state with similar population, it's just like comparing Mayfield to Trinity, Mayfield is a great program but of course they're gonna get destroyed by Trinity

You make sense with what you say and I agree, but I think you missed my point. I was comparing Kentucky's best to the best out of the other states with my comment. Out of all of the Florida cities you mentioned, Jacksonville is the only one with a higher population than Louisville. You can have that argument with the mountain schools as far as population and comparing to other states, but not with Louisville schools. On a national scale, we have to rely on our Louisville schools. Like you say, they're that good in comparison based on the population. Let's be honest, Trinity and Male would be the only two schools in this state to even be considered as being able to compete with some of the other top schools nationally this year. (I'm talking at the highest level. Not Mayfield's level.) Where we have 2 teams good enough, others have 10 and that is based off population.

[Fly Like a Duck]

Because playing the gloom and doom of Kentucky nicker:

Nobody loves KYHS Football more than me, but there is a whole lot of fact in that statement.

RITG, what I tell people all the time is that KY excels very well when compared to like states. "Like states" meaning similar total population and minority population; both of which always have been and always will be the major trump cards. People that think otherwise are just flat out kidding themselves.

There isn't a dot drill, an off season program, a coach, a scheme in the world that would ever put a large majority of our schools on the map with those in the deep south (which, let's face it, thor are the states that most bring up when talking about 'Why aren't we as good as these places?'. Too many barns and not enough stop lights. That's why).

[RunItUpTheGut]

Nobody loves KYHS Football more than me, but there is a whole lot of fact in that statement.

RITG, what I tell people all the time is that KY excels very well when compared to like states. "Like states" meaning similar total population and minority population; both of which always have been and always will be the major trump cards. People that think otherwise are just flat out kidding themselves.

There isn't a dot drill, an off season program, a coach, a scheme in the world that would ever put a large majority of our schools on the map with those in the deep south (which, let's face it, thor are the states that most bring up when talking about 'Why aren't we as good as these places?'. Too many barns and not enough stop lights. That's why).

Spot on.

There is a reason Highlands, Male, Mafield, and a couple of others from KY are in the top 20 nationally for all time wins.....the competition they've played for the past 100 years. Its been atrocious most years when compared to teams from other states on that list.

[RicFlair]

You make sense with what you say and I agree, but I think you missed my point. I was comparing Kentucky's best to the best out of the other states with my comment. Out of all of the Florida cities you mentioned, Jacksonville is the only one with a higher population than Louisville. You can have that argument with the mountain schools as far as population and comparing to other states, but not with Louisville schools. On a national scale, we have to rely on our Louisville schools. Like you say, they're that good in comparison based on the population. Let's be honest, Trinity and Male would be the only two schools in this state to even be considered as being able to compete with some of the other top schools nationally this year. (I'm talking at the highest level. Not Mayfield's level.) Where we have 2 teams good enough, others have 10 and that is based off population.

I'm not talking about cities, I'm talking about states as a whole, Louisville is really all we have. Again, comparing state population it's not really even close, you can look at this on a large scale (nationally) or a small scale (state) football is a numbers game no matter if you're talking from school to school or state to state. Kentucky population is 4.14 million. Florida is 19.89 million, that's 15 million more people, that's A LOT more people and a lot more chances for better players. It's just like a Louisville school compared to a mountain school. It's just numbers and it's not a fair comparison no matter how you look at it.

[RicFlair]

Kentucky is 26th on the list in population, behind every state you mentioned that's better in football. Id be willing to bet people in states like Iowa, South Dakota, and Wyoming think Kentucky HS football is great

[mysonis55]

Here are some things you guys obviously overlook when you make the rash statements about how terrible you think Ky is in football:
1) you cannot have the same number of d1 recruits if you do not have the same number of bodies. It is all purportional. Ky is one of the least populated states in the nation. Louisville is our largest city. It would not even be in the top five largest cities of say Texas. I know when I was a child for instance, the population of Waco, Tx was larger than Louisville. Waco would not even be near the top five in Tx.

2) Just because we have not been throwing the numbers of d1 scholarship kids out there as some of these much more densely populated states does not mean that Ky football is no good. I can think of a lot of Tn, In, Mo and Il teams that my local team have basically owned over the years. These are teams that are successful in their own states. I think that speaks highly of Ky.

3) Getting on here and degrading our football programs is certainly not going to help to change anyone outside of Ky's opinion. We should instead foster a more positive attitude.

4) We need more jobs and more opportunities in order to gain the additional bodies to create any more d1 athletes.

I think you guys spend way to much time at times thinking of how enferior we are instead of promoting how successful we are with the few that we have.

[Bulldogs4Ever]

I feel like to many kids in Kentucky play to many other sports and don't devote enough time to the weight room, speed training, and other types of things pertaining to making them better football players. You just cant get physically strong enough if you play football, then basketball, and then baseball all in the same year. I bet if you look at most of Floridas elite football players, you will see that they only play one or two sports. Whether it be football/track, football/baseball, football/wrestle. Kentucky kids are football/basketball/baseball, football/basketball/track, and some play soccer and football both at the same time. Do Trinity's and Males players play all those sports? I say not.

[64black&gold]

He will get looks at an 8th grader that most kids do not get until they're juniors or seniors in high school. I look at is as an investment for the family. I do not like all the money changing hands and financial issues that come with it, but it is what it is. It does benefit to some extent. No one can deny that.

Actually I can deny that. It is your opinion that this all star game system improves a kids chances of getting to play at a higher level than he would have otherwise and i simply do not believe that. It's a money racket.

[goBIGblue82]

Actually I can deny that. It is your opinion that this all star game system improves a kids chances of getting to play at a higher level than he would have otherwise and i simply do not believe that. It's a money racket.

I'm in agreement that many of the kids would have received D1 scholarships even without this event. However, the claim that all kids that are D1 material will get looks is simply wrong. When was it that Kash and Drake went from small D1 recruits to nationally ranked prospects with offers from all the big boys? It was after camps where they had the opportunity to prove themselves. They were put on the recruiting scene at an earlier age by these scouting services and given the opportunity that people are taking for granted. Kentucky lacks the overall talent that other states have, but even more so we lack the exposure for our athletes outside of Louisville and Lexington.

[Wildcat18]

Actually I can deny that. It is your opinion that this all star game system improves a kids chances of getting to play at a higher level than he would have otherwise and i simply do not believe that. It's a money racket.

I'm assuming you're from Boyle. Is that a correct assessment? I only say that to say this. It's easy for kids there to get looks on a national scene based off a prestigious program such as that. You win and you win a lot, you get looks. Boyle, Trinity, Male, Bowling Green, etc all have great reputations with producing talent. What do you say about a lineman who is being recruited as a center at the D1 level, but never played center for his 3-8 high school team? College coaches don't just dream that stuff up. They don't take risks like that without seeing it somewhere. They see it at camps. In that aspect, we will have to agree to disagree.

[64black&gold]

I'm in agreement that many of the kids would have received D1 scholarships even without this event. However, the claim that all kids that are D1 material will get looks is simply wrong. When was it that Kash and Drake went from small D1 recruits to nationally ranked prospects with offers from all the big boys? It was after camps where they had the opportunity to prove themselves. They were put on the recruiting scene at an earlier age by these scouting services and given the opportunity that people are taking for granted. Kentucky lacks the overall talent that other states have, but even more so we lack the exposure for our athletes outside of Louisville and Lexington.

It wasn't in a middle school all star game. I can bet you that. That's my point. When a kid shows some special speed or ability his first couple of years in high school then they go to camps between their soph/jr year and jr/sr year. Those camps garner them attention. Not middle school all star games. These middle school all star things would have been great actually about 20 years ago. Social media erased the need for it now. If there is a kid in Alaska who can kick 70 yard field goals when he is in 8th grade I guarantee you the whole world will know about it be the middle of his freshman year of high school if not sooner. Naia recruiters have 3 to 4 names of kids to keep an eye on from almost every high school in their recruiting area regardless of their record by the time the kids are soph's or jr's. I know this.

Listen I am not saying these middle school all star game (series) things are bad. I think they are fine if taken for what they are. A showcase of some sort for kids who are more developed or talented and playing in them is something to be proud of. My only point is that I do not personally think it helps any kid get any more opportunity than he would have otherwise.