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10-05-2014, 12:11 AM
baseball1974 Wrote:All this is is a bunch of excuses. Every great coach has their own way of doings, but one thing that is solid amongst every single one of them is that the buck stops with them. They will never blame the players. They will never blame the community. They will never blame the superintendent. They will never blame the administration (especially if their apart of it). They will never blame the facilities. They will never blame the parents, and they will never blame the other coaches. They take full responsibility for everything that goes wrong with their program. Haywood didn't have what he has now when he started, and neither did any of the rest. The reason they have facilities, community support, parent support, and even administrative support, is due to the fact that he built a winning atmosphere and culture in football and that is what brought all the extra things and support. If you want more community support then go win in the post season. If you want a superintendent to be proud of football then give him a reason to be. To say it doesn't matter who the coach is beyond the truth on any level. That means more than anything. Accepting responsibility and letting the players know that any loss falls on you, it shows them you'll hold yourself accountable and in return they expect to be held accountable as well. Blaming your declining program on things you don't have is very juvenile and no coach with any integrity would have that reasoning.
What? Are you serious? Belfry had a long standing tradition long before Coach Haywood came and will have one long after he is gone, ask him, he will tell you the same thing. This is the last reply I am giving you and your bobsey twin Dd dawg go, or whatever his name is, because it's quite obvious to me that the two of you don't have enough football knowledge to flush a toilet. Since you guys have it all figured out, I suggest you both apply to be coaches and show the rest of it how it's done. I've listened to enough of your guy's gas about coaching and coaches. Put up or shut up both of you! Go turn a program around!
10-05-2014, 12:25 AM
Is it any wonder that 40-50 coaching position open up every year. And that over half if not more of the schools across the state have had a coaching change in the last four years. Hard to build a program from the elementary school, to middle school to high school if your on the hot seat in a season or two.
10-05-2014, 03:27 AM
School Admin. Wrote:What? Are you serious? Belfry had a long standing tradition long before Coach Haywood came and will have one long after he is gone, ask him, he will tell you the same thing. This is the last reply I am giving you and your bobsey twin Dd dawg go, or whatever his name is, because it's quite obvious to me that the two of you don't have enough football knowledge to flush a toilet. Since you guys have it all figured out, I suggest you both apply to be coaches and show the rest of it how it's done. I've listened to enough of your guy's gas about coaching and coaches. Put up or shut up both of you! Go turn a program around!
Already been there and done that, for well over 30+ years. You expect parents, players, community, fans, administration, and the alumni at LC to bow down to you just because you tell them they should? I believe you're going to have to earn it in that town? It's a shame that someone with your mindset about coaching is leading a well respected football school. I hope you have an epiphany somewhere down the line, or you get out so success has a chance to happen?
10-05-2014, 03:31 AM
former Wrote:You said if they don't get it done then get them out. So if they don't get it done for a year is that reason to fire or want rid of a coach?
if they cant get it done within a couple seasons fire their a$$. no sense in wasting time.
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10-05-2014, 03:37 AM
Do-double-gg Wrote:IMO people try to hard to protect coaches. It is a coaches job to put the best product on the field that he possibly can and if after a few seasons things aren't getting any better or maybe even worse then it's time to go. My biggest problem is that a lot of coaches know they are struggling and things are getting worse and they are hurting the program, but instead of just stepping down and admitting that they failed they stay around and run the program into the ground till they are run off. People act like every coach is a good coach and the right man for the job but this is the real world. Another excuse I see pop up a lot is, well the last coach didn't win here so no coach can do anything here. I will tell you right now that a good solid coach who knows what he is doing and has a good staff put together can go to any school that is struggling and make an immediate impact. Some are very good at X'S and 0'S but don't know how to lead and get kids interested and some are very good leaders and the kids love em but just can't figure the on the field stuff out. It takes a coach who is very good at both to be successful. People will say that no one can win at -------- school but yet the school in the next county with the same size and demographics can have a powerhouse, and why............because they have good coaching on and off the field. People need to remember that the head coach of your team get's paid for the job that he does(and we can argue all day on if it's enough), but that money is coming out of your's and the communities pocket in one way or the other and the coach knew what the job paid before he took it and he knew he would be in the spotlight before he took it. So do I think I have the right to judge the job a coach is doing..............you bet your ass I do and so does every other person who cares about the team in their community and pays their taxes.
well said.
10-05-2014, 03:43 AM
ForearmShiver Wrote:I would like to request that the moderators of this site remove this thread. This isn't the NFL. This is about men who are members of our local communities, and most of whom are school teachers. I believe that their livelihood is not a topic of fair game for an internet gossip forum.
you're fired!
10-05-2014, 04:12 AM
99% of coaches in Ky work a full time job teaching. During the season they work another full time job coaching. A high paid coach will get $2500.00 for the year. Dealing with unruly students, lesson plans, attendance, state/federal mandates, homework, etc. during the day then dealing with practice, game plans, film, player issues, parents, referees, administrators, boosters, etc. makes for an extremely long day. Then they have to go home and deal with all that entails, washer broke, car not running right, when you going to fix toilet handle? I think any school is very fortunate to even have a coach. Why would anyone want to put their self through this?
10-05-2014, 04:41 AM
dawgbyte02 Wrote:99% of coaches in Ky work a full time job teaching. During the season they work another full time job coaching. A high paid coach will get $2500.00 for the year. Dealing with unruly students, lesson plans, attendance, state/federal mandates, homework, etc. during the day then dealing with practice, game plans, film, player issues, parents, referees, administrators, boosters, etc. makes for an extremely long day. Then they have to go home and deal with all that entails, washer broke, car not running right, when you going to fix toilet handle? I think any school is very fortunate to even have a coach. Why would anyone want to put their self through this?
if a person doesn't want to do it they shouldn't do it.
10-05-2014, 12:07 PM
dawgbyte02 Wrote:99% of coaches in Ky work a full time job teaching. During the season they work another full time job coaching. A high paid coach will get $2500.00 for the year. Dealing with unruly students, lesson plans, attendance, state/federal mandates, homework, etc. during the day then dealing with practice, game plans, film, player issues, parents, referees, administrators, boosters, etc. makes for an extremely long day. Then they have to go home and deal with all that entails, washer broke, car not running right, when you going to fix toilet handle? I think any school is very fortunate to even have a coach. Why would anyone want to put their self through this?
There's a reason not everyone becomes a coach. No matter what level, there will be people holding you accountable. Every coach knows that going in. Not all know to what it extent it happens in certain places, but they all know to expect it. Not everyone can handle it? I've seen great coaches quit after a couple seasons because they don't want to deal with it. Its not for everybody, but in today's time with social media and different outlets, it is expected to be apart of the job.
10-05-2014, 03:22 PM
pjdoug Wrote:you're fired!
Shiver is correct. You are not funny.
10-06-2014, 06:24 PM
Like the old saying goes, "you're hired to be fired".
10-06-2014, 07:10 PM
pjdoug Wrote:you're fired!
nicker:
10-06-2014, 07:47 PM
Do-double-gg Wrote:So do I think I have the right to judge the job a coach is doing..............you bet your ass I do and so does every other person who cares about the team in their community and pays their taxes.
I remember my former HS coach (Ivan McGlone) was quoted by the Ashland paper in an article (about his career) in which he told a story about his wife complaining about a group of fans who sat in front her at games, and always complained about or criticized his coaching. He told her point blank that those fans had paid for their tickets, and had the right to voice their opinion if they felt the need to do so.
Having said that, that doesn't mean that every fan that complains about the coach(es) or the team knows squat about football or what's going on during the game. Some do...some don't. I'd be willing to bet that most coaches are secure enough in their ability that they don't lose sleep at night worrying about what the fans think.
10-06-2014, 07:55 PM
Slic Ric Wrote:I remember my former HS coach (Ivan McGlone) was quoted by the Ashland paper in an article (about his career) in which he told a story about his wife complaining about a group of fans who sat in front her at games, and always complained about or criticized his coaching. He told her point blank that those fans had paid for their tickets, and had the right to voice their opinion if they felt the need to do so.
Having said that, that doesn't mean that every fan that complains about the coach(es) or the team knows squat about football or what's going on during the game. Some do...some don't. I'd be willing to bet that most coaches are secure enough in their ability that they don't lose sleep at night worrying about what the fans think.
Thats the problem. Fans want the coach to worry and the coaches could care less what they say and the coaches dont worry what is said because they know the fan is clueless to what really goes on. No matter how much I complain or what I say, it dont mean anything. The things I think a team should do may not be able to do it. Its easy to criticize and hats off to coaches who dont listen to what we as fans say.
10-06-2014, 08:36 PM
School Admin. Wrote:What? Are you serious? Belfry had a long standing tradition long before Coach Haywood came and will have one long after he is gone, ask him, he will tell you the same thing. This is the last reply I am giving you and your bobsey twin Dd dawg go, or whatever his name is, because it's quite obvious to me that the two of you don't have enough football knowledge to flush a toilet. Since you guys have it all figured out, I suggest you both apply to be coaches and show the rest of it how it's done. I've listened to enough of your guy's gas about coaching and coaches. Put up or shut up both of you! Go turn a program around!
You're absolutely wrong about Belfry too by the way. They had never won a state title before him and had only been to the state title game once a couple years before Haywood took over and was blown out. I believe that was also the same year they won one of their only region titles before Haywood as well?
10-06-2014, 08:44 PM
Slic Ric Wrote:I remember my former HS coach (Ivan McGlone) was quoted by the Ashland paper in an article (about his career) in which he told a story about his wife complaining about a group of fans who sat in front her at games, and always complained about or criticized his coaching. He told her point blank that those fans had paid for their tickets, and had the right to voice their opinion if they felt the need to do so.
Having said that, that doesn't mean that every fan that complains about the coach(es) or the team knows squat about football or what's going on during the game. Some do...some don't. I'd be willing to bet that most coaches are secure enough in their ability that they don't lose sleep at night worrying about what the fans think.
The majority of coaches do not look at message boards or things that. When I retired the internet was just coming of age really and it wasn't an issue for me. Of course, I was coaching an NAIA school, so the only people that cared were the players and the parents and administration. That was basically our fan base. I will say though that we had one sportswriter that wrote a column, and he always tried to take jabs at every coach within his territory. I knew he probably wrote about me, but I also knew nothing good would come out of me reading. I didn't want something I'd say to him to somehow hurt the players from getting recognized. So I simply just didn't read it. He'd call and get quotes about things from me, and it was easy for me to do that because I had never read one of his articles.
10-07-2014, 06:47 PM
Considering coaching contracts are for one year in KY, Id say every coach is on the hot seat.
Surprised none of the other clowns had posted this yet.
Surprised none of the other clowns had posted this yet.
10-07-2014, 07:06 PM
South Carolina's defensive coordinator who just couldn't stop that "Wildcat kid"
10-08-2014, 04:44 PM
East Carter's Head Coach Zack Moore is being looked for guidance this season from his young but determined team. One of the best lineman in the area when ranked from knockdowns to key blocks would be East's own Jett Carter.
10-08-2014, 04:48 PM
Football1987 Wrote:East Carter's Head Coach Zack Moore is being looked for guidance this season from his young but determined team. One of the best lineman in the area when ranked from knockdowns to key blocks would be East's own Jett Carter.
Is he going to be around next year? They haven't won yet have they?
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