[More Cowbell]

There schedule is why they always come up short in the sweet 16 IMO. That is why Elliott has always beat them on the states biggest stage.

Is the schedule also the reason why Elliott County was never able to win an All-A title?

[More Cowbell]

Where is that in writing. I am not saying you are incorrect but I would like to see it. Still I do not understand how a team can be looked at in a different manner for playing REGION games... It blows my mind. So if you are correct you only have to pay 4-6 region games a season (the 2-3 other teams in the district). If true, that is absolutely crazy.

Actually Scotty, you would be incorrect here. The only situation where a school is required to play certain other schools is if they are members of a district that seeds for the district tournament. Besides that, teams are not required to play ANY games within their region during the regular season. It is conceivable that if a team was in a district that had a blind draw for the tournament, they could go the entire regular season and not play a single other team within their region.

However, although it would be conceivable to play such a schedule, it's also not very realistic. Any team around here who played the majority of their games out-of-region would be making a lot of 3-4 hour road trips, and would be exhausted by the end of the year.

[dortonite]

I do get on here a lot to defend Shelby Valley from some of the unnecessary criticism they receive. Like, for instance, comparing their program to once-in-a-generation cicadas.

But as I've said before, I will not attempt to defend their schedule. Playing Christian County was a good decision, as I was at that game and the atmosphere was very good for a regular-season contest. But they needed more of that. If another elite school offered a home-and-home series as mentioned in the above post, SV's staff should've jumped at it.

Also, like others have said, they should have been in a at least one of the big in-state tournaments, either the KOB or Republic Bank. They could have done that and still taken an out-of-state trip if they so desired. I know in the 07/08 season they played in Jeffersontown's tournament first, then turned around and went off to New York. So it could have been worked out.

I will say that due to geographical issues, no one should expect a team like SV to have as challenging a schedule as teams from central KY. It's one thing to have several top-notch teams within an hour's drive of your school, it's completely different when you are located in a rural county a good 3 hours away from the big-city schools. I don't think it's fair to compare SV's schedule with those of teams from central KY.

But, the schedule still could have, and should have, been better. If there was ever a year to beef up the schedule, this was it. Even more, I'm afraid that by choosing to mainly stay close to home, it has done Elisha Justice's Mr. Basketball candidacy a disservice. And that's a shame.

Wow, I had not read this comment until today, and you said a lot of the things I would have liked to say. Scheduling of games is not up to the players and it is a shame Elisha will be penalilzed for the lack of a tougher schedule.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Actually Scotty, you would be incorrect here. The only situation where a school is required to play certain other schools is if they are members of a district that seeds for the district tournament. Besides that, teams are not required to play ANY games within their region during the regular season. It is conceivable that if a team was in a district that had a blind draw for the tournament, they could go the entire regular season and not play a single other team within their region.

However, although it would be conceivable to play such a schedule, it's also not very realistic. Any team around here who played the majority of their games out-of-region would be making a lot of 3-4 hour road trips, and would be exhausted by the end of the year.

Thank you more cowbell. That still just seems like it cant really happen around east ky. Like you said, the money to travel every night that you have a game would be pretty draining. Thanks for the information though.

[Coffee Can]

Where is that in writing. I am not saying you are incorrect but I would like to see it. Still I do not understand how a team can be looked at in a different manner for playing REGION games... It blows my mind. So if you are correct you only have to pay 4-6 region games a season (the 2-3 other teams in the district). If true, that is absolutely crazy.

I believe you said "How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games." Maybe that will jar your think skull.:biggrin:

[Scotty doesn't know]

I believe you said "How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games." Maybe that will jar your think skull.:biggrin:

Thank you Folgers. If you would like to go back and read, I said in my post that I was wrong about the regional games (which seems crazy), but they do in fact have to play the teams in their district. My "think" skull is fine by the way, and I still think that Valley, Paintsville, and Elliot have done a good job in recent years of preparing their teams in the middle of mediocre district and regional teams. Sorry if that offends you.

[NYY10]

Thank you Folgers. If you would like to go back and read, I said in my post that I was wrong about the regional games (which seems crazy), but they do in fact have to play the teams in their district. My "think" skull is fine by the way, and I still think that Valley, Paintsville, and Elliot have done a good job in recent years of preparing their teams in the middle of mediocre district and regional teams. Sorry if that offends you.

:biggrin: lol..

[letthebighogroot]

Is the schedule also the reason why Elliott County was never able to win an All-A title?

Actually, if you want my opinion the reasons were a sprained ankle in 08' to a player that is in the top 5 in the state all time in points scored. And in 09' playing a AA team in what was a game that they were way jacked up in and was probably their best game of the year. But of course I'm way off base in your opinion I'm sure.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Actually, if you want my opinion the reasons were a sprained ankle in 08' to a player that is in the top 5 in the state all time in points scored. And in 09' playing a AA team in what was a game that they were way jacked up in and was probably their best game of the year. But of course I'm way off base in your opinion I'm sure.

The AA team is Valley right..... I think we had this thread a while ago.

[letthebighogroot]

Dude you got some serious problems. How can you not get it through your think skull that you have to play a certain number of regional games and district games. If the area that the team is located (I don't care if it Lexington and all Lexington teams suck), has no other competition in the region there is NOTHING to change those games. Valley and to bring another high ranking school from recent times, Paintsville, got their tests from different touneys around the state and country. Did you rip Paintsville for having teams like South Charleston WV, Lexington Catholic, mixed in with the regional games like Betsy Lane, Pikeville, Prestonsburg. They still made it to the second round and was able to beat one of the best teams in the state in the first round (Jeffersontown).
Valley's schedule this year, is by some amazing conscience eerily similar to Paintsville's and I would still say Elliot from last year. BECAUSE OF THE REGION these teams are in, people say that it is a cupcake schedule. I believe that Valley has done a good job testing their team with big time games. The "All A" may not have been wall to wall elite competition but as you get down to the last 4 teams you have teams that will be competing for the region title. So to recap, unless you want to go back and call out EVERY strong team to come out of the eastern regions, you really should look at KHSAA.org and see what teams around the country they have played.
Hog you really make your self look ignorant.

Thanks for your concern, but apparently my "thick skull" contains more knowledge concerning required region and district games. Please post again when you can provide more insight.........My "thick skull" tingles with anticipation!

[PC_You_Know]

I love the AA comment about Valley. Big Hog, You have an excuse for everything, almost like kywildcat, Holmes and Elliott can never just lose, there's always a reason.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Thanks for your concern, but apparently my "thick skull" contains more knowledge concerning required region and district games. Please post again when you can provide more insight.........My "thick skull" tingles with anticipation!

Hey man, I said that I was apparently wrong, I admitted it. I didn't say otherwise. But you make yourself look stupid bringing into question the schedule of a team like Valley, or Paintsville. And for that case your beloved Elliot who I thought had a very similar schedule. SO your thick skull my be tingling but that is just for the pure enjoyment of furthering an argument that is absolutely insane. Provide me with your next post of gold for all of BGR to see. Im content with my sports knowledge.

[TheRealVille]

Don't get on your moral high-ground, PC.

Yea, I can remember a time when even the SV fans hated to see PC post. It's good to see him grow up some as of late.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Shelby Valley will be okay. Their schedule may not be the same as Ballard's due to geographical and economic (travel expense--gas, lodging, etc), but it's been good enough. They will be at state and are a dangerous team. I don't think they can win it because there are some teams that are bigger and deeper, but never underestimate them.

I'm interested in seeing how this weekend's game at Perry County Central turns out. That's a good test for them going into the region. The Commodores have a very good team, and playing an out-of-region-team on their home court will pose a big challenge for the Wildcats.

[PC_You_Know]

Yea, I can remember a time when even the SV fans hated to see PC post. It's good to see him grow up some as of late.

A lot of people can't stand to read the truth.

[TrinitySID]

Shelby Valley to play Jeffersontown on Saturday in Louisville.

Some great matchups of top 15 teams added this week around the state.

Shelby Valley at Jeffersontown
Iroquois at Trinity
Seneca at Scott County

This in addition to previously scheduled Ballard at Clark County.

[More Cowbell]

Actually, if you want my opinion the reasons were a sprained ankle in 08' to a player that is in the top 5 in the state all time in points scored. And in 09' playing a AA team in what was a game that they were way jacked up in and was probably their best game of the year. But of course I'm way off base in your opinion I'm sure.

If you're saying that Elliott didn't win the All-A in '08 due to an injured player, I won't deny that a key injury can derail even the best of teams. However, considering that Elliott was eliminated in the semifinals of their own All-A region that year, it takes a pretty big leap of faith to say that without the injury, they would have not only won the region but also reeled off 4 in a row down at Richmond. My personal opinion is that there's no way they would have beaten University Heights in the All-A finals, if they made it that far.

In regards to your "AA" comment, I'm assuming it is mistakenly referring to Shelby Valley, since you've made that same tired argument before. And that argument was as wrong then as it is now. In case you're unaware, I'll remind you again that the KHSAA has still not made any official class designations for basketball. You must instead be confused by SV's status in football, which is interesting considering that if we are only looking at football classifications, Elliott Co. is not listed under class "A" either. Maybe they should have been ineligible for the All-A Classic too? :biggrin:

And actually, that game where SV beat Elliott was nowhere near Valley's best game of the year. Valley only scored 55 points in that contest, which was well below their season average. Considering the numerous free throws Shelby Valley missed at the end to let Elliott get back into the game, it's pretty safe to say that SV won with much less than their "A" game that day.

But then again, I didn't expect to see you say that they were simply beaten by a better team any of those years. Because no such team even existed, right?

[Scotty doesn't know]

^Burn.
It was only a couple weeks ago that the same topic was brought up. Valley, Elliot, and most of the schools in the region have been hit with dipping enrollment since the mid 90s. I really cant see an arguement for Hog.

[PC_You_Know]

Valley just added J-town to the schedule. Wonder what Hog will have to say about that.

[hypersport]

Any team in Eastern Ky. would have a tough time scheduling especially this year. There are only two teams east of I-75 in the top twenty other than SV. One is George Rogers Clark and the other is Mason County. Both of which are farther than the nearest DK. Getting teams to come here to play has major issues as well. Unless you offer them travel expenses you might as well forget it.
A bigger question is why aren't there better teams in the mountains? Is it lack of talent, lack of development, or something else?

[NYY10]

Valley just added J-town to the schedule. Wonder what Hog will have to say about that.

wow. anybody know the time?

[Scotty doesn't know]

wow. anybody know the time?

I believe 7:30. That is setting up for one nice day of basketball. PC in the afternoon, UK right after, and then Valley-Jtown. Cant beat it.