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16th Region Best Overall Player?
#1
When it comes to the 16th Region, let’s cut the nonsense—everyone knows who the real star is, no matter what class they’re in. My pick? He comes from A-Town, and his name? Well, you know him as Z.
Z doesn’t just play basketball, Z owns basketball. Whether it’s dropping 30 points, snagging every rebound in sight, or locking down anyone who dares to drive the lane, Z is a straight-up game-changer. You don’t need a scouting report—just ask any coach in the region, and they’ll tell you: “Don’t let Z get started.” Because once he’s on fire, good luck putting him out.
People talk about “great players” in every class, but Z isn’t confined by class. He plays with the best and makes anyone look like they’re in over their heads. From the smoothest jump shot to the toughest defense, Z does it all. The guy’s a walking highlight reel—breaking ankles one minute and throwing down a dunk that leaves you questioning the laws of physics the next.
A-Town doesn’t just produce players—they create legends. And Z? Well, he’s already writing his name in the 16th Region history books, because Z is the name everyone’s going to remember when it comes to the 16th Region’s best—no matter the class.
#2
Carter is head and shoulders above everyone else in the 16th.

Currently he has more talent around him, but if he needed to score more he could. He plays within the team concept better than about any star I have seen. There isn't a weakness in his game. He defends, shoots , handles, and creates for others.

He is the one star I would like to have as a teammate.
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#3
(01-15-2025, 02:09 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: Carter is head and shoulders above everyone else in the 16th. 

Currently he has more talent around him, but if he needed to score more he could.  He plays within the team concept better than about any star I have seen.    There isn't a weakness in his game.  He defends, shoots , handles, and creates for others. 

He is the one star I would like to have as a teammate.


Thanks for this response.  You have just woken up a monster with HOOPAN.
#4
Z gets my vote!
#5
I have watched Z for a few years now and the one word I would use to describe him is winner because he will do what he has to for his TEAM to win. You don't see many so called star players that do that. He will play defense, he can score at will, he creates for teammates, he makes hustle plays. I am not sure if he will win Mr. basketball just because there seems to be some great players in this class. But in my opinion he deserves it because there is not another player especially so called star player that does as much for their team as he does.
#6
(01-15-2025, 01:54 PM)Ky1976 Wrote: When it comes to the 16th Region, let’s cut the nonsense—everyone knows who the real star is, no matter what class they’re in. My pick? He comes from A-Town, and his name? Well, you know him as Z.
Z doesn’t just play basketball, Z owns basketball. Whether it’s dropping 30 points, snagging every rebound in sight, or locking down anyone who dares to drive the lane, Z is a straight-up game-changer. You don’t need a scouting report—just ask any coach in the region, and they’ll tell you: “Don’t let Z get started.” Because once he’s on fire, good luck putting him out.
People talk about “great players” in every class, but Z isn’t confined by class. He plays with the best and makes anyone look like they’re in over their heads. From the smoothest jump shot to the toughest defense, Z does it all. The guy’s a walking highlight reel—breaking ankles one minute and throwing down a dunk that leaves you questioning the laws of physics the next.
A-Town doesn’t just produce players—they create legends. And Z? Well, he’s already writing his name in the 16th Region history books, because Z is the name everyone’s going to remember when it comes to the 16th Region’s best—no matter the class.

I think he is a very good player and has developed every year. In his 7th varsity year player who is born in Greenup. Lives in Greenup currently and not for a second ever lived in Ashland. I think you should say Greenup instead of Ashland. It should only be fair to give the community he was born in raised in some credit at the very least. Even Ashland fans did not like the fact he brought his Greenup stats to make him the leading scorer at Ashland over Marty Thomas who did that in three years mind you. Everyone has an opinion who is the best. Several seniors in the 16th has a chance to be the 16th region player of the year. Ashland doesn’t make legends. They steal them from other schools. Just an observation
#7
(01-15-2025, 07:09 PM)HOOPFAN Wrote:
(01-15-2025, 01:54 PM)Ky1976 Wrote: When it comes to the 16th Region, let’s cut the nonsense—everyone knows who the real star is, no matter what class they’re in. My pick? He comes from A-Town, and his name? Well, you know him as Z.
Z doesn’t just play basketball, Z owns basketball. Whether it’s dropping 30 points, snagging every rebound in sight, or locking down anyone who dares to drive the lane, Z is a straight-up game-changer. You don’t need a scouting report—just ask any coach in the region, and they’ll tell you: “Don’t let Z get started.” Because once he’s on fire, good luck putting him out.
People talk about “great players” in every class, but Z isn’t confined by class. He plays with the best and makes anyone look like they’re in over their heads. From the smoothest jump shot to the toughest defense, Z does it all. The guy’s a walking highlight reel—breaking ankles one minute and throwing down a dunk that leaves you questioning the laws of physics the next.
A-Town doesn’t just produce players—they create legends. And Z? Well, he’s already writing his name in the 16th Region history books, because Z is the name everyone’s going to remember when it comes to the 16th Region’s best—no matter the class.

I think he is a very good player and has developed every year. In his 7th varsity year player who is born in Greenup. Lives in Greenup currently and not for a second ever lived in Ashland. I think you should say Greenup instead of Ashland. It should only be fair to give the community he was born in raised in some credit at the very least. Even Ashland fans did not like the fact he brought his Greenup stats to make him the leading scorer at Ashland over Marty Thomas who did that in three years mind you. Everyone has an opinion who is the best. Several seniors in the 16th has a chance to be the 16th region player of the year. Ashland doesn’t make legends. They steal them from other schools. Just an observation
This clown trolls every thread on BGR!   Carter stands alone with nothing close in sight! Checks all boxes and as others have mentioned, he is a selfless player that makes everyone better around him on and off the court. Could possibly be a 3K points scorer and playing the game the right way.  He is one of the best Tomcats to ever play there. This is a factual/statistical point. Get over it!
#8
I would almost bet he would have passed Marty just in his Ashland uniform.

I agree those shouldn’t have counted to have him move up list at that time, but stat wise will he finish his Ashland career (four season) ahead of Thomas?

I wonder if the second best player finishes his career at the school he started it at?
#9
(01-15-2025, 08:27 PM)Appalachian Cat Wrote:
(01-15-2025, 07:09 PM)HOOPFAN Wrote:
(01-15-2025, 01:54 PM)Ky1976 Wrote: When it comes to the 16th Region, let’s cut the nonsense—everyone knows who the real star is, no matter what class they’re in. My pick? He comes from A-Town, and his name? Well, you know him as Z.
Z doesn’t just play basketball, Z owns basketball. Whether it’s dropping 30 points, snagging every rebound in sight, or locking down anyone who dares to drive the lane, Z is a straight-up game-changer. You don’t need a scouting report—just ask any coach in the region, and they’ll tell you: “Don’t let Z get started.” Because once he’s on fire, good luck putting him out.
People talk about “great players” in every class, but Z isn’t confined by class. He plays with the best and makes anyone look like they’re in over their heads. From the smoothest jump shot to the toughest defense, Z does it all. The guy’s a walking highlight reel—breaking ankles one minute and throwing down a dunk that leaves you questioning the laws of physics the next.
A-Town doesn’t just produce players—they create legends. And Z? Well, he’s already writing his name in the 16th Region history books, because Z is the name everyone’s going to remember when it comes to the 16th Region’s best—no matter the class.

I think he is a very good player and has developed every year. In his 7th varsity year player who is born in Greenup. Lives in Greenup currently and not for a second ever lived in Ashland. I think you should say Greenup instead of Ashland. It should only be fair to give the community he was born in raised in some credit at the very least. Even Ashland fans did not like the fact he brought his Greenup stats to make him the leading scorer at Ashland over Marty Thomas who did that in three years mind you. Everyone has an opinion who is the best. Several seniors in the 16th has a chance to be the 16th region player of the year. Ashland doesn’t make legends. They steal them from other schools. Just an observation
This clown trolls every thread on BGR!   Carter stands alone with nothing close in sight! Checks all boxes and as others have mentioned, he is a selfless player that makes everyone better around him on and off the court. Could possibly be a 3K points scorer and playing the game the right way.  He is one of the best Tomcats to ever play there. This is a factual/statistical point. Get over it!

If you play 7 years of varsity and can’t score 3k and have 1k in rebounds that is not great numbers. Not saying his 5 years on varsity at Ashland doesn’t
Make him one of the best but put it perspective for the rest of the true kids that live and played in Ashland. I honestly could care less but in comparison. Travis Perry scored 5k in 6 years 12th-7th grade. I didn’t see a statistical fact in your post.

(01-15-2025, 08:59 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: I would almost bet he would have passed Marty just in his Ashland uniform. 

I agree those shouldn’t have counted to have him move up list at that time, but stat wise will he finish his Ashland career (four season) ahead of Thomas? 

I wonder if the second best player finishes his career at the school he started it at?

He has played 5 years at Ashland not 4. Not saying he wouldn’t have passed Marty but I never seen a kid transfer to a school from another school and take his points from his previous school and add them to his new school and then call that player all time leading scorer. I have never seen that on any level of sports. To me it’s a bad look and a smack in the face to the history of the players who previously played there. Make it make sense. I know appy puss and ky jelly1976 will try. Lol
#10
Ah, the classic "5 years, not 4" controversy—7 yeas total HS because who doesn’t love a good debate about whether one extra year should suddenly make you the All-Time Leading Scorer? Sure, transferring schools and counting all your points like you're playing in some fantasy league sounds a bit wild, but hey, I guess we’re just rewriting the history books now. Why stop at points? Let’s also count all the Gatorade bottles he drank and the team selfies—those have to count for something, right?

But I get it. It’s a tough pill to swallow when a player comes in, starts racking up points like he’s in a video game, and then poof—suddenly, he’s the face of the program. It’s like showing up to a family reunion and claiming you’re the favorite child without even trying! "Make it make sense?" Oh, don’t worry—My self and Appy Puss will make the case for how this is totally legit… you know we are in the lab right now, cooking up some stats and finding a way to make it sound completely fair. By the way I've witness daddies who sit on bench do these things.

At the end of the day, though, maybe it’s not just about the points. Maybe it’s about how many people are talking about it. And if that’s the case, congrats to the new "all-time leading scorer Z & looks like you've already won the popularity contest of being the biggest A-- on BGR.
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#11
(01-16-2025, 10:10 AM)Ky1976 Wrote: Ah, the classic "5 years, not 4" controversy—7 yeas total HS because who doesn’t love a good debate about whether one extra year should suddenly make you the All-Time Leading Scorer? Sure, transferring schools and counting all your points like you're playing in some fantasy league sounds a bit wild, but hey, I guess we’re just rewriting the history books now. Why stop at points? Let’s also count all the Gatorade bottles he drank and the team selfies—those have to count for something, right?

But I get it. It’s a tough pill to swallow when a player comes in, starts racking up points like he’s in a video game, and then poof—suddenly, he’s the face of the program. It’s like showing up to a family reunion and claiming you’re the favorite child without even trying! "Make it make sense?" Oh, don’t worry—My self and Appy Puss will make the case for how this is totally legit… you know we are in the lab right now, cooking up some stats and finding a way to make it sound completely fair.  By the way I've witness daddies who sit on bench do these things.

At the end of the day, though, maybe it’s not just about the points. Maybe it’s about how many people are talking about it. And if that’s the case, congrats to the new "all-time leading scorer Z & looks like you've already won the popularity contest of being the biggest A-- on BGR.

Oh that award goes to you and appy puss. CO-WINNERS! You bring nothing to the sports debate. I gave you a good reference of another player. Travis Perry who played 6 years and his numbers blow your guys out the water. You are talking the best and all time this and that but if you give any of the current roster players at APB 7years of varsity game. I think their numbers would be close and maybe more depending on the development. I would think it will be safe to say one record for sure he will get. MOST GAMES PLAYED BY ANY PLAYER IN THE STATE FOR HIS VARSITY CAREER. He will be well in the 200's for his career of played games. I think that would be a stat that will never be broken ever! Congrats to Z for being the all-time leading scorer at APB. Also, I do think to be fair for kids that took the covid year and played 5 years of high school sports. Regardless of what sport. They should get to pick one or the other year to count as official stats. Not count both years. That is not right to kids who have played under the 4-year rule. Such as in this case Marty and Z.
#12
(01-16-2025, 11:22 AM)HOOPFAN Wrote:
(01-16-2025, 10:10 AM)Ky1976 Wrote: Ah, the classic "5 years, not 4" controversy—7 yeas total HS because who doesn’t love a good debate about whether one extra year should suddenly make you the All-Time Leading Scorer? Sure, transferring schools and counting all your points like you're playing in some fantasy league sounds a bit wild, but hey, I guess we’re just rewriting the history books now. Why stop at points? Let’s also count all the Gatorade bottles he drank and the team selfies—those have to count for something, right?

But I get it. It’s a tough pill to swallow when a player comes in, starts racking up points like he’s in a video game, and then poof—suddenly, he’s the face of the program. It’s like showing up to a family reunion and claiming you’re the favorite child without even trying! "Make it make sense?" Oh, don’t worry—My self and Appy Puss will make the case for how this is totally legit… you know we are in the lab right now, cooking up some stats and finding a way to make it sound completely fair.  By the way I've witness daddies who sit on bench do these things.

At the end of the day, though, maybe it’s not just about the points. Maybe it’s about how many people are talking about it. And if that’s the case, congrats to the new "all-time leading scorer Z & looks like you've already won the popularity contest of being the biggest A-- on BGR.

Oh that award goes to you and appy puss.  CO-WINNERS!  You bring nothing to the sports debate. I gave you a good reference of another player. Travis Perry who played 6 years and his numbers blow your guys out the water. You are talking the best and all time this and that but if you give any of the current roster players at APB 7years of varsity game. I think their numbers would be close and maybe more depending on the development. I would think it will be safe to say one record for sure he will get. MOST GAMES PLAYED BY ANY PLAYER IN THE STATE FOR HIS VARSITY CAREER.  He will be well in the 200's for his career of played games.  I think that would be a stat that will never be broken ever!  Congrats to Z for being the all-time leading scorer at APB.  Also, I do think to be fair for kids that took the covid year and played 5 years of high school sports.  Regardless of what sport. They should get to pick one or the other year to count as official stats. Not count both years. That is not right to kids who have played under the 4-year rule. Such as in this case Marty and Z.
If Carter reaches 3,000 career points, he will still have scored around 2700 points in a Tomcats uniform.  I looked on KHSAA and he only had like 300 when he came to Ashland. This would have still beat Ashland’s scoring record by like 800 points.  Another thing to note is that he played in a system with other Division 1, D-2 and NAIA talent that played the game the right way.  He wasn’t on the court jacking up 15+ 3 pointers every night like his daddy was sitting on the bench.  So let’s put everything in perspective.
#13
Hey HOOPFAN, if you had to pick the best player in the 16h regardless of class do you base it on stats, talent, or how many shots you can take because dad bullies the coach?
#14
Definitely would have to be Carter.

I remember watching Ashland at the State Tournament when they had Porter and that great team leading the way, and how impressive Carter was just as a freshman. He has grown leaps & bounds since then, I'm sure they'll be right back at Rupp in March, he's been great to watch these last 4-5 years.
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#15
HOOPFAN’s hatred towards A-Town is so strong, I’m pretty sure if A-Town opened a lemonade stand, HOOPFAN would try to file a complaint with the KHSAA for unfair competition.
#16
(01-16-2025, 12:36 PM)Appalachian Cat Wrote:
(01-16-2025, 11:22 AM)HOOPFAN Wrote:
(01-16-2025, 10:10 AM)Ky1976 Wrote: Ah, the classic "5 years, not 4" controversy—7 yeas total HS because who doesn’t love a good debate about whether one extra year should suddenly make you the All-Time Leading Scorer? Sure, transferring schools and counting all your points like you're playing in some fantasy league sounds a bit wild, but hey, I guess we’re just rewriting the history books now. Why stop at points? Let’s also count all the Gatorade bottles he drank and the team selfies—those have to count for something, right?

But I get it. It’s a tough pill to swallow when a player comes in, starts racking up points like he’s in a video game, and then poof—suddenly, he’s the face of the program. It’s like showing up to a family reunion and claiming you’re the favorite child without even trying! "Make it make sense?" Oh, don’t worry—My self and Appy Puss will make the case for how this is totally legit… you know we are in the lab right now, cooking up some stats and finding a way to make it sound completely fair.  By the way I've witness daddies who sit on bench do these things.

At the end of the day, though, maybe it’s not just about the points. Maybe it’s about how many people are talking about it. And if that’s the case, congrats to the new "all-time leading scorer Z & looks like you've already won the popularity contest of being the biggest A-- on BGR.

Oh that award goes to you and appy puss.  CO-WINNERS!  You bring nothing to the sports debate. I gave you a good reference of another player. Travis Perry who played 6 years and his numbers blow your guys out the water. You are talking the best and all time this and that but if you give any of the current roster players at APB 7years of varsity game. I think their numbers would be close and maybe more depending on the development. I would think it will be safe to say one record for sure he will get. MOST GAMES PLAYED BY ANY PLAYER IN THE STATE FOR HIS VARSITY CAREER.  He will be well in the 200's for his career of played games.  I think that would be a stat that will never be broken ever!  Congrats to Z for being the all-time leading scorer at APB.  Also, I do think to be fair for kids that took the covid year and played 5 years of high school sports.  Regardless of what sport. They should get to pick one or the other year to count as official stats. Not count both years. That is not right to kids who have played under the 4-year rule. Such as in this case Marty and Z.
If Carter reaches 3,000 career points, he will still have scored around 2700 points in a Tomcats uniform.  I looked on KHSAA and he only had like 300 when he came to Ashland. This would have still beat Ashland’s scoring record by like 800 points.  Another thing to note is that he played in a system with other Division 1, D-2 and NAIA talent that played the game the right way.  He wasn’t on the court jacking up 15+ 3 pointers every night like his daddy was sitting on the bench.  So let’s put everything in perspective.

Your obsession with daddies is a level of disturbing portions. You can't even make a sentence without referring to another man on statistics. APPY PUSS and KY/Jelly1976 need to go up to that man and just make their confession of love and admiration for him. Now lets talk sports if you two could remove that man from your mouths. lol... 2700 is a stellar career in 5 years in an Ashland uniform. Just remember that 800 would be the giving Z an extra year on Marty's 4. perspective. In addition, Z never comes out of the games during blow outs. I have seen them up 25-30 pts and everyone else is out but him. I am sure his daddy is making sure that is happening. The year he played with Porter, he was the 5th best player on the floor and his percentages were not good. His shooting has finally come around this season and I am sure it has been hours of him working on it. Just this year I have watched him air ball a free throw and shoot a lot of bricks. He is still not real consistent yet, but I do think he will put in the work. Kid is a good kid and a hard worker. Even though his daddy has been kickout of more gyms than anyone in the Region...well maybe Davis has but they are neck and neck. Perspective is a wonderful thing.
#17
My Top 5 so far this season:

1. Z Carter (Ashland)
2. J Spurlock (Boyd)
3. B. Robinson (Fleming)
4. S. HIckerson (Fleming
5. C. Rimmer (Russell)
#18
(01-16-2025, 12:53 PM)Ky1976 Wrote: Hey HOOPFAN, if you had to pick the best player in the 16h regardless of class do you base it on stats, talent, or how many shots you can take because dad bullies the coach?

Steve has bullied Mays and Bonner. Go to a game especially when Mays was there...The things Steve would say was mind blowing from the stands. Ashland dads have been kickout of more gyms than anyone in the region mind you!

As far as picking the best player in the 16th, That is a no brainer, Spur changes the way teams have guard, scout, and you do know...A-town has the Spurlock Rule. They use it even when player other teams with a good scorer. In addition, he makes others better around him due to the attention he receives and his play making ability. Coupled with his ability to shoot and score from anywhere. I do think Z and Spur both have different roles at the next level and even on their current high school teams. With the injuries that BC has encountered. Spur has done an amazing job guarding 1-5 at times and playing multiple positions on offense. Great screener in getting guys open as well.
#19
(01-15-2025, 02:09 PM)15thregionwatcher Wrote: Carter is head and shoulders above everyone else in the 16th. 

Currently he has more talent around him, but if he needed to score more he could.  He plays within the team concept better than about any star I have seen.    There isn't a weakness in his game.  He defends, shoots , handles,  and creates for others. 

He is the one star I would like to have as
Yes he is a team player!

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