[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

http://www.wkyt.com/wymtsports/headlines...81703.html

I wonder if this will have any bearing on the Sweet 16?

[Spud6]

What????

[OffTheHook]

Well isn't this a LOAD of CRAP!!!!!!!!

I HOPE the KHSAA or the STATE takes the NCAA to court over this, if this messes with the Sweet 16!!! F#@* the NCAA!

[Stardust]

^ Did UK have a play in this decision? Is UK the SEC school on the NCAA Operating committee? There is no such thing as the NCAA. The NCAA decisions are 100% made by the schools on the operating committee, and this might be UK's three year stint.

[OffTheHook]

^I can't see UK, doing this with one of their Top Recruits coming to play in this.

[bluegrass nation]

this is garbage where will the boys and girls state tourny be at then. alot of times this is the only chance these kids will ever have playing in renues like these.

[Stardust]

^I can't see UK, doing this with one of their Top Recruits coming to play in this.

I'm assuming this is not just confined to Rupp Arena. College venues are used throughout the US for sporting events. What about next weekends state football championships????

[OffTheHook]

^You are right. That's why this just doesn't make any sense. I am sure there may be more to it. BUT, as for right now. I just don't understand.

[Real Badman]

NCAA can't do that lol. Rupp Arena is owned by Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government. End of story.

[Stardust]

^ Umm, the NCAA already did! There is no games this weekend at Rupp - All by the NCAA - And not stopped by the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government!

[Real Badman]

I'm sure the Kentucky Supreme Court would take this case....

[LeeCoUKFan]

I'm sure the Kentucky Supreme Court would take this case....

Something definitely needs to be done about this because there aren't any non-collegiate sites that are big enough to host an event like the Sweet 16 or the State Title games for football, if that is also affected!!!

[vundy33]

Sweet 16 is staying at Rupp..

[Former Cheerleader]

If you read the rules associated with the NCAA it says that no member school can have what amounts to an all star game held at its playing or practice facility. It further states that if the games are not for all star or recruitment purposes and the member's school team coaches and players have nothing to do with the games then it is ok. Like the Sweet 16.

If coach Cal had ANYTHING to do with the games this weekend then they could not occur at UK:Cheerlead

[OffTheHook]

^Thanks for a little more clarity FC.

[cksportsfan]

Apparently some of the organizers couldn't find any of this research I've been able to track down since Wednesday night (see below, it's lengthy). But to review:

1) NCAA Rule does NOT effect football finals this weekend at WKU, Two REGULAR-SEASON Rupp events, the LIT at Bellarmine (Bellarmine is NCAA Division-II) or the boys' sweet 16. Plenty of high school teams will still get to play in Rupp this season.

2) The Friday-Sunday "Rumble In Rupp" was disallowed for two reasons. One, because it is a preseason event NOT recognized by the KHSAA as a scholastic event. Two, because of Findlay Prep's involvement. For scholastic events, schools cannot be paid travel, hotel, food, appearance fee, etc. So you really think Findlay was coming all the way from Vegas to play a scrimmage game for nothing in return?

3) The email quote and the post on Bleid Sports' web site about the rule going into effect after 10 P.M. WEDNESDAY were 100 PERCENT FALSE. As proved below MULTIPLE times.

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1) Found this on a California AAU site from MAY:

Friday, May 6, 2011
NEW GUIDELINES FOR EVENT OPERATORS
Dear Non-Athletes, District Directors & Event Operators,

This is to inform each of you that the NCAA passed legislation that could affect how you conduct events.

Men's Basketball - Use of Division I Campus Facilities Update ? Proposal No. 2009-100 version A was discussed by the NCAA Board of Directors and adopted with a 60-day override period. This legislation would prohibit an institution [including any institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] from hosting, sponsoring or conducting a non-scholastic basketball practice or competition in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs. This legislation is effective immediately; however, a contract signed before October 29, 2009, may be honored. Institutions will continue to have the opportunity to host non-institutional camps or clinics during the months of June, July and August and the opportunity to host basketball competition that is part of state multisport events. Questions should be directed to NCAA Academic and Membership Affairs (AMA) at 317/917-6222. AMA is knowledgeable on bylaws in all three divisions and, unlike other NCAA staff members, is permitted to provide interpretations of those bylaws.

--------------------------

2) Here's the Bob Gibbons Tournament moving (from Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State) in MAY:
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/tag/bob-gibbons/

--------------------------

3) Here's an official NCAA-site article from JULY 5:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...l+proposal

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4) Here's one from SEPT. 6:
http://sportscommissions.wordpress.com/2...-the-ncaa/

"Legislation is in place to regulate the use of on campus basketball facilities. At present, boys (or men’s as described by the NCAA) basketball is subject to new restrictions on use. Virtually identical legislation covering girls/women’s basketball is on its way to implementation.

In general, the legislation now prohibits the use of on campus basketball facilities for non-scholastic boys/men’s basketball events or practices that include prospective student-athletes (anyone that has started classes for the seventh grade). This extends to off campus sites that are regularly used by the institution for practices or competition. The legislation affects all NCAA Division I member institutions."

--------------------------

5) From site below:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/DI_MBKB_issu...ements.pdf


13.11.1.6 Nonscholastic Practice, Contest or Event -- Men's Basketball. An institution shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic basketball practice, contest or event in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs.

[13.11.1.6 through 13.11.1.7 renumbered as 13.11.1.7 through 13.11.1.8, unchanged.]

[Remainder of 13.11 unchanged.]

Source: NCAA Division I Board of Directors

Effective Date: Immediate; a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored.

Category: Amendment

Topical Area: Recruiting

Rationale: There has been a proliferation of nonscholastic events held on Division I campuses during quiet periods, specifically during the months of May and June. Generally, these events are being planned and operated in an attempt to assist institutions with recruiting opportunities. Travel and lodging expenses are routinely provided free of charge for those prospective student-athletes or teams identified as important to the coaching staff's recruiting efforts, and funds and/or services provided by institutions and boosters are sometimes used to pay these expenses. Reluctant college coaches are being leveraged to help the event operator arrange for discounted operational costs (e.g., facility fees) under the threat that the event operator will take the event (and all of the prospective student-athletes) to another institution's campus. Regardless of the level of complicity or involvement of the coaching staff, these events provide a significant recruiting advantage for the institution that hosts the events.

Budget Impact: Potential for lost revenue for use of facilities by outside entities.

Impact on S-A's Time: None.

Position Statement(s)
Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet: The cabinet acknowledged the potential recruiting advantages gained by institutions that host nonscholastic practices or events, but expressed concern that the proposal would eliminate the opportunity for many institutions' auxiliary departments (e.g., recreation and athletics departments) to generate revenue by conducting such events on campus.

History
Oct 28, 2009: Submit; Submitted for consideration.
Oct 29, 2009: Board of Directors, Sponsored
Jan 14, 2010: Leg Council Init Review, Forwarded for Membership Comment
Jan 17, 2010: Comment Period; Start of Comment Period
Feb 04, 2010: Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet, No Formal Position
Mar 17, 2010: Comment Period; End of Comment Period; (Official Comment Totals: Support = 1, Oppose = 13, Abstain = 0)
Apr 13, 2010: Leg Council Final Review, Referred (referred proposal to Men's Basketball Issues Committee); The proposal remains in the legislative process and will be considered again in the 2010-11 legislative cycle. If the proposal is adopted, as noted in the effective date, a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored. If the legislation is adopted, actions contrary to the legislation that are taken pursuant to contracts signed on or after October 29, 2009 will result in violations.

-------------------------------------

Here's the official 439-page 2011-12 NCAA Division-I Manual.
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/pdf8/7946...M_ID=11600


Effective August 1, 2011.

See page 130.

So it was adopted in April and and effective in August ... NOT LATE NOVEMBER, MR. BLAIR


Verbatim:

13.11.1.7.1 Planning or Operation of Nonscholastic Events?Men’s Basketball. In men’s basketball,
a staff member or a representative of the institution’s athletics interests shall not be involved in any
way in the planning or operation of a men’s/boys’ basketball nonscholastic event on an institution’s campus.
(Adopted: 8/26/10)
13.11.1.8 Nonscholastic Practice or Competition?Men’s Basketball. An institution [including any
institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
basketball practice or competition in which men’s basketball prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw
13.11.1.2) participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice
and/or competition by any of the institution’s sport programs. (Adopted: 4/28/11; a contract signed before
10/29/09 may be honored)
13.11.1.8.1 Exception?State Multisport Events. An institution may host basketball-related events
that are part of officially recognized state multisport events. (Adopted: 4/28/11)
13.11.1.8.2 Exception?Other Events. An institution may host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
event that involves men’s basketball prospective student-athletes, provided it meets one of the following
conditions: (Adopted: 4/28/11)
(a) The event is open (see Bylaw 13.11.3.1) and all participating men’s basketball prospective studentathletes
reside within a 50-mile radius of the institution’s campus;
(b) The event is part of a program that is consistent with the mission of the institution (e.g., state wellness
and educational programs) and is conducted in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2; or
© The event is an ancillary event that is part of a nonathletics program (e.g., Boy Scouts) and is conducted
in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2.
13.11.1.9 Use of Institutional Facilities for Noninstitutional Camps or Clinics?Men’s Basketball.
In men’s basketball, the use of institutional facilities for noninstitutional camps or clinics that include
prospect-aged (see Bylaw 13.11.1.2) participants shall be limited to the months of June, July and August. (Adopted:
4/28/11; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may be honored)

[cksportsfan]

Apparently some of the organizers couldn't find any of this research I've been able to track down since Wednesday night (see below, it's lengthy). But to review:

1) NCAA Rule does NOT effect football finals this weekend at WKU, Two REGULAR-SEASON Rupp events, the LIT at Bellarmine (Bellarmine is NCAA Division-II) or the boys' sweet 16. Plenty of high school teams will still get to play in Rupp this season.

2) The Friday-Sunday "Rumble In Rupp" was disallowed for two reasons. One, because it is a preseason event NOT recognized by the KHSAA as a scholastic event. Two, because of Findlay Prep's involvement. For scholastic events, schools cannot be paid travel, hotel, food, appearance fee, etc. So you really think Findlay was coming all the way from Vegas to play a scrimmage game for nothing in return?

3) The email quote and the post on Bleid Sports' web site about the rule going into effect after 10 P.M. WEDNESDAY were 100 PERCENT FALSE. As proved below MULTIPLE times.

--------------------------

1) Found this on a California AAU site from MAY:

Friday, May 6, 2011
NEW GUIDELINES FOR EVENT OPERATORS
Dear Non-Athletes, District Directors & Event Operators,

This is to inform each of you that the NCAA passed legislation that could affect how you conduct events.

Men's Basketball - Use of Division I Campus Facilities Update ? Proposal No. 2009-100 version A was discussed by the NCAA Board of Directors and adopted with a 60-day override period. This legislation would prohibit an institution [including any institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] from hosting, sponsoring or conducting a non-scholastic basketball practice or competition in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs. This legislation is effective immediately; however, a contract signed before October 29, 2009, may be honored. Institutions will continue to have the opportunity to host non-institutional camps or clinics during the months of June, July and August and the opportunity to host basketball competition that is part of state multisport events. Questions should be directed to NCAA Academic and Membership Affairs (AMA) at 317/917-6222. AMA is knowledgeable on bylaws in all three divisions and, unlike other NCAA staff members, is permitted to provide interpretations of those bylaws.

--------------------------

2) Here's the Bob Gibbons Tournament moving (from Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State) in MAY:
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/tag/bob-gibbons/

--------------------------

3) Here's an official NCAA-site article from JULY 5:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...l+proposal

--------------------------

4) Here's one from SEPT. 6:
http://sportscommissions.wordpress.com/2...-the-ncaa/

"Legislation is in place to regulate the use of on campus basketball facilities. At present, boys (or men’s as described by the NCAA) basketball is subject to new restrictions on use. Virtually identical legislation covering girls/women’s basketball is on its way to implementation.

In general, the legislation now prohibits the use of on campus basketball facilities for non-scholastic boys/men’s basketball events or practices that include prospective student-athletes (anyone that has started classes for the seventh grade). This extends to off campus sites that are regularly used by the institution for practices or competition. The legislation affects all NCAA Division I member institutions."

--------------------------

5) From site below:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/DI_MBKB_issu...ements.pdf


13.11.1.6 Nonscholastic Practice, Contest or Event -- Men's Basketball. An institution shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic basketball practice, contest or event in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs.

[13.11.1.6 through 13.11.1.7 renumbered as 13.11.1.7 through 13.11.1.8, unchanged.]

[Remainder of 13.11 unchanged.]

Source: NCAA Division I Board of Directors

Effective Date: Immediate; a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored.

Category: Amendment

Topical Area: Recruiting

Rationale: There has been a proliferation of nonscholastic events held on Division I campuses during quiet periods, specifically during the months of May and June. Generally, these events are being planned and operated in an attempt to assist institutions with recruiting opportunities. Travel and lodging expenses are routinely provided free of charge for those prospective student-athletes or teams identified as important to the coaching staff's recruiting efforts, and funds and/or services provided by institutions and boosters are sometimes used to pay these expenses. Reluctant college coaches are being leveraged to help the event operator arrange for discounted operational costs (e.g., facility fees) under the threat that the event operator will take the event (and all of the prospective student-athletes) to another institution's campus. Regardless of the level of complicity or involvement of the coaching staff, these events provide a significant recruiting advantage for the institution that hosts the events.

Budget Impact: Potential for lost revenue for use of facilities by outside entities.

Impact on S-A's Time: None.

Position Statement(s)
Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet: The cabinet acknowledged the potential recruiting advantages gained by institutions that host nonscholastic practices or events, but expressed concern that the proposal would eliminate the opportunity for many institutions' auxiliary departments (e.g., recreation and athletics departments) to generate revenue by conducting such events on campus.

History
Oct 28, 2009: Submit; Submitted for consideration.
Oct 29, 2009: Board of Directors, Sponsored
Jan 14, 2010: Leg Council Init Review, Forwarded for Membership Comment
Jan 17, 2010: Comment Period; Start of Comment Period
Feb 04, 2010: Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet, No Formal Position
Mar 17, 2010: Comment Period; End of Comment Period; (Official Comment Totals: Support = 1, Oppose = 13, Abstain = 0)
Apr 13, 2010: Leg Council Final Review, Referred (referred proposal to Men's Basketball Issues Committee); The proposal remains in the legislative process and will be considered again in the 2010-11 legislative cycle. If the proposal is adopted, as noted in the effective date, a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored. If the legislation is adopted, actions contrary to the legislation that are taken pursuant to contracts signed on or after October 29, 2009 will result in violations.

-------------------------------------

Here's the official 439-page 2011-12 NCAA Division-I Manual.
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/pdf8/7946...M_ID=11600


Effective August 1, 2011.

See page 130.

So it was adopted in April and and effective in August ... NOT LATE NOVEMBER, MR. BLAIR


Verbatim:

13.11.1.7.1 Planning or Operation of Nonscholastic Events?Men’s Basketball. In men’s basketball,
a staff member or a representative of the institution’s athletics interests shall not be involved in any
way in the planning or operation of a men’s/boys’ basketball nonscholastic event on an institution’s campus.
(Adopted: 8/26/10)
13.11.1.8 Nonscholastic Practice or Competition?Men’s Basketball. An institution [including any
institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
basketball practice or competition in which men’s basketball prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw
13.11.1.2) participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice
and/or competition by any of the institution’s sport programs. (Adopted: 4/28/11; a contract signed before
10/29/09 may be honored)
13.11.1.8.1 Exception?State Multisport Events. An institution may host basketball-related events
that are part of officially recognized state multisport events. (Adopted: 4/28/11)
13.11.1.8.2 Exception?Other Events. An institution may host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
event that involves men’s basketball prospective student-athletes, provided it meets one of the following
conditions: (Adopted: 4/28/11)
(a) The event is open (see Bylaw 13.11.3.1) and all participating men’s basketball prospective studentathletes
reside within a 50-mile radius of the institution’s campus;
(b) The event is part of a program that is consistent with the mission of the institution (e.g., state wellness
and educational programs) and is conducted in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2; or
© The event is an ancillary event that is part of a nonathletics program (e.g., Boy Scouts) and is conducted
in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2.
13.11.1.9 Use of Institutional Facilities for Noninstitutional Camps or Clinics?Men’s Basketball.
In men’s basketball, the use of institutional facilities for noninstitutional camps or clinics that include
prospect-aged (see Bylaw 13.11.1.2) participants shall be limited to the months of June, July and August. (Adopted:
4/28/11; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may be honored)

[Stardust]

So if these guidelines were announced in May, why did it take this event only get cancelled this past week! Did the event organizers miss the boat?

[cksportsfan]

Organizers probably didn't think it applied to them because the Rumble In Rupp (preseason) isn't AAU (like Bob Gibbons). Plus, organizers had already gotten two other events in Rupp (which are still on as far as we know) OK'd to played, so they may have figured this one should be OK too.

However, according to a recent LHL story (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/26/19733...aiver.html), UK applied for a waiver on WEDNESDAY on Bleid Sports/Blair/Rupp Arena's behalf EVEN THOUGH UK was NOT supposed to be involved. The waiver was turned down later Wednesday.

However, how big could the event have been if it was able to be accomodated on such short notice at tiny Lexington Christian (not Catholic)?

[nky]

some of yo0u didn't read the article huh?

"the NCAA enforced a new rule which prohibits non-scholastic events from playing on a collegiate campus or main playing facility"

These are not regular season games

[Stardust]

The NCAA rule that prompted Bleid Sports to change venues for a pre-season high school basketball event in Rupp Arena this weekend won’t affect regular high school events like the Sweet Sixteen from being played in Rupp.

Lexington Center president Bill Owen said Saturday that “scholastic event” was the key phrase in the NCAA rule.

Owen said a rule interpretation last spring by the NCAA prohibited member schools from hosting “non-scholastic” high school events. Owen believes the NCAA was primarily targeting AAU basketball.

The Lexington Center and Bleid Sports heard about the NCAA’s interpretation, so they contacted the NCAA in early summer to get authorization for events such as this weekend’s “Rumble in Rupp” pre-season scrimmages. Owen said Bleid Sports got the OK from the NCAA, and they worked out contracts with the Lexington Center for five different events.

“We thought we had approval, it was business as usual, and away we go,” Owen said. “This was not unlike anything we’ve done the last 10 years working with (Kentucky Basketball Academy) and Bleid Sports.”

But Owen said concerns arose out of conversations with UK this week as to the NCAA’s authorization, so the Lexington Center and Bleid Sports asked UK to file a waiver request with the NCAA on Wednesday. “Just to make sure we were not opening the door to an infraction with UK,” Owen said.

Late Wednesday night, the NCAA notified UK it was refusing to grant the request for the waiver.

Owen said Bleid Sports decided to relocate the scrimmages to Lexington Christian Academy “just to make sure they were not compromising UK’s integrity on this particular rule.”

Bleid Sports has similar events scheduled at college arenas around the country, including Duke, Oregon and Virginia. Owen said he expects those events will also have to be relocated.

Since the Kentucky High School Athletic Association sponsors the state basketball tournaments at Rupp Arena and WKU’s Diddle Arena, and the state football finals at WKU’s L.T. Smith Stadium, those events aren’t affected by the NCAA’s rules.

http://fieldsnotes.bloginky.com/2011/11/...aa-events/

[J.W.]

It is what it is, no use in complaining i don't guess. nothing we can do about it.