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07-19-2011, 04:02 PM
1. Yogi Berra
New York Yankees (1946-1963), New York Mets (1965)
Wasn't quite the defensive equivalent of No. 2 on this list, but he was probably even better as a pure hitter. He was AL MVP three times - and received MVP votes for 15 years in a row - and was a 15-time AL All-Star who won 10 World Series as a Yankee in a 16-year span. He hit 358 chomers and led the Yankees in RBI in every season from 1949-55 on teams loaded with future Hall of Famers. He also caught Don Larsen's World Series perfect game in 1956.
2. Johnny Bench
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Cincinnati Reds (1967-83)
Perhaps the central figure in the Big Red Machine teams of the 1970s, he was a combination of power at the plate and defensive ability behind it that was unprecedented. Bench won 10 Gold Gloves, two NL MVP awards and was named to 14 All-Star teams in his 17 seasons. The 1968 NL Rookie of the Year also led the league in RBI three times.
3. Mickey Cochrane
"Mickey Cochrane"Getty Images
Philadelphia Athletics (1925-33), Detroit Tigers (1934-37)
A two-time AL MVP with a career average of .320, he was a pillar in the lineup of some great Philadelphia teams in the 1920s and 1930s, winning pennants in three consecutive seasons. He also was player-manager on two pennant winning teams in Detroit, and a World Series-winning team in 1935. His playing career ended at age 34 when he was hit in the head by a pitch in 1937.
4. Roy Campanella
"Roy Campanella"Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Brooklyn Dodgers (1948-57)
Played just 10 big-league seasons after starting his career in the ***** Leagues, coming to the Dodgers a year after Jackie Robinson. He set a single-season record for catchers with 41 homers and 142 RBI in 1953, and played in eight consecutive All-Star games. His career ended because an auto accident in 1958 that left him paralyzed, but he left his mark on the game.
5. Mike Piazza
"Mike Piazza"Ezra Shaw/Getty Images
Los Angeles Dodgers (1992-98), Florida Marlins (1998), New York Mets (1998-2005), San Diego Padres (2006), Oakland A's (2007)
Never considered a great catcher defensively, Piazza was great at the plate, hitting more homers than any catcher in history. He is considered perhaps the best hitting catcher of all-time. Piazza batted .308 lifetime with 427 homers and nine seasons with 30 or more. His 1997 season might be the greatest ever for a catcher statistically as he hit .362 with 40 home runs, 124 RBI and 201 hits. He was a 12-time All-Star. Quite a ride for a 62nd-round pick who was passed over 1,389 times in the 1988 draft.
6. Ivan Rodriguez
"Ivan Rodriguez"Christian Petersen/Getty Images
Texas Rangers (1991-2002, 2009), Florida Marlins (2003), Detroit Tigers (2004-2008), New York Yankees (2008), Houston Astros (2009), Washington Nationals (2010-)
No player has caught more games than "Pudge" Rodriguez, who remains active as of this writing, going into his 21st season in 2011. With a strong arm and great skills behind the plate, the native of Puerto Rico became a great hitting catcher as he matured, hitting more than 300 career home runs and a career batting average of .298 entering 2011. His best season came at age 27 in 1999, when he won AL MVP honors after hitting .332 with 35 homers, 113 homers, 25 stolen bases and one of his 13 career Gold Gloves. He led the Marlins to a World Series title in 2003.
7. Carlton Fisk
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Boston Red Sox (1969, 1971-80), Chicago White Sox (1981-93)
While Bench was the star in the NL, Fisk was considered the best in the AL. And he continued to be among the best for 10 more years. The durable catcher ever caught 2,226 games in 24 seasons, and he hit 376 homers with a .269 average, second all-time among catchers, and first at the time of his retirement. He was a 10-time AL All-Star who hit one of the most memorable homers all-time to end Game 6 of the 1975 World Series.
8. Bill Dickey
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New York Yankees (1928-43, 1946)
He's the second-best Yankees catcher to wear No. 8, but that's no knock on Dickey, Yogi Berra's predecessor in New York. He batted .313 in his career, better than .300 in 10 of his first 11 seasons, and hit .362 in 1936, the highest average for a catcher until Joe Mauer hit .365 in 2009. With a strong arm and durability, he was also legendary defensively. He made 11 All-Star teams and his Yankees teams won seven World Series.
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9. Gary Carter
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Montreal Expos (1974-1984, 1992), New York Mets (1985-1989), San Francisco Giants (1990), Los Angeles Dodgers (1991)
The best all-around catcher of the 1980s, the squeaky-clean Carter was a great clutch hitter with 324 homers in 19 seasons. Carter was an 11-time All-Star who played a key role on the 1986 New York Mets championship team. He surpassed 100 RBI four times.
10. Gabby Hartnett
"Gabby Hartnett"Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Chicago Cubs (1922-40), New York Giants (1941)
A fine defensive catcher and hitter, he's considered perhaps the greatest of the first half of the 20th century. Hartnett hit .297 lifetime with 297 homers, including the "Homer in the Gloamin'," a famous blast in twilight in 1938 that helped lead the Cubs to the pennant. Hartnett was MVP in 1935, when he hit .344 with 13 homers and 91 RBI.
Next five: Thurman Munson, Buck Ewing, Jorge Posada, Joe Torre, Ted Simmons
***** Leagues best: Josh Gibson, Larry Brown, Biz Mackey
Maybe someday: Joe Mauer
New York Yankees (1946-1963), New York Mets (1965)
Wasn't quite the defensive equivalent of No. 2 on this list, but he was probably even better as a pure hitter. He was AL MVP three times - and received MVP votes for 15 years in a row - and was a 15-time AL All-Star who won 10 World Series as a Yankee in a 16-year span. He hit 358 chomers and led the Yankees in RBI in every season from 1949-55 on teams loaded with future Hall of Famers. He also caught Don Larsen's World Series perfect game in 1956.
2. Johnny Bench
"Johnny Bench"Getty Images
Cincinnati Reds (1967-83)
Perhaps the central figure in the Big Red Machine teams of the 1970s, he was a combination of power at the plate and defensive ability behind it that was unprecedented. Bench won 10 Gold Gloves, two NL MVP awards and was named to 14 All-Star teams in his 17 seasons. The 1968 NL Rookie of the Year also led the league in RBI three times.
3. Mickey Cochrane
"Mickey Cochrane"Getty Images
Philadelphia Athletics (1925-33), Detroit Tigers (1934-37)
A two-time AL MVP with a career average of .320, he was a pillar in the lineup of some great Philadelphia teams in the 1920s and 1930s, winning pennants in three consecutive seasons. He also was player-manager on two pennant winning teams in Detroit, and a World Series-winning team in 1935. His playing career ended at age 34 when he was hit in the head by a pitch in 1937.
4. Roy Campanella
"Roy Campanella"Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Brooklyn Dodgers (1948-57)
Played just 10 big-league seasons after starting his career in the ***** Leagues, coming to the Dodgers a year after Jackie Robinson. He set a single-season record for catchers with 41 homers and 142 RBI in 1953, and played in eight consecutive All-Star games. His career ended because an auto accident in 1958 that left him paralyzed, but he left his mark on the game.
5. Mike Piazza
"Mike Piazza"Ezra Shaw/Getty Images
Los Angeles Dodgers (1992-98), Florida Marlins (1998), New York Mets (1998-2005), San Diego Padres (2006), Oakland A's (2007)
Never considered a great catcher defensively, Piazza was great at the plate, hitting more homers than any catcher in history. He is considered perhaps the best hitting catcher of all-time. Piazza batted .308 lifetime with 427 homers and nine seasons with 30 or more. His 1997 season might be the greatest ever for a catcher statistically as he hit .362 with 40 home runs, 124 RBI and 201 hits. He was a 12-time All-Star. Quite a ride for a 62nd-round pick who was passed over 1,389 times in the 1988 draft.
6. Ivan Rodriguez
"Ivan Rodriguez"Christian Petersen/Getty Images
Texas Rangers (1991-2002, 2009), Florida Marlins (2003), Detroit Tigers (2004-2008), New York Yankees (2008), Houston Astros (2009), Washington Nationals (2010-)
No player has caught more games than "Pudge" Rodriguez, who remains active as of this writing, going into his 21st season in 2011. With a strong arm and great skills behind the plate, the native of Puerto Rico became a great hitting catcher as he matured, hitting more than 300 career home runs and a career batting average of .298 entering 2011. His best season came at age 27 in 1999, when he won AL MVP honors after hitting .332 with 35 homers, 113 homers, 25 stolen bases and one of his 13 career Gold Gloves. He led the Marlins to a World Series title in 2003.
7. Carlton Fisk
"Carlton Fisk"Getty Images
Boston Red Sox (1969, 1971-80), Chicago White Sox (1981-93)
While Bench was the star in the NL, Fisk was considered the best in the AL. And he continued to be among the best for 10 more years. The durable catcher ever caught 2,226 games in 24 seasons, and he hit 376 homers with a .269 average, second all-time among catchers, and first at the time of his retirement. He was a 10-time AL All-Star who hit one of the most memorable homers all-time to end Game 6 of the 1975 World Series.
8. Bill Dickey
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New York Yankees (1928-43, 1946)
He's the second-best Yankees catcher to wear No. 8, but that's no knock on Dickey, Yogi Berra's predecessor in New York. He batted .313 in his career, better than .300 in 10 of his first 11 seasons, and hit .362 in 1936, the highest average for a catcher until Joe Mauer hit .365 in 2009. With a strong arm and durability, he was also legendary defensively. He made 11 All-Star teams and his Yankees teams won seven World Series.
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9. Gary Carter
"Gary Carter"Rick Stewart/Getty Images
Montreal Expos (1974-1984, 1992), New York Mets (1985-1989), San Francisco Giants (1990), Los Angeles Dodgers (1991)
The best all-around catcher of the 1980s, the squeaky-clean Carter was a great clutch hitter with 324 homers in 19 seasons. Carter was an 11-time All-Star who played a key role on the 1986 New York Mets championship team. He surpassed 100 RBI four times.
10. Gabby Hartnett
"Gabby Hartnett"Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Chicago Cubs (1922-40), New York Giants (1941)
A fine defensive catcher and hitter, he's considered perhaps the greatest of the first half of the 20th century. Hartnett hit .297 lifetime with 297 homers, including the "Homer in the Gloamin'," a famous blast in twilight in 1938 that helped lead the Cubs to the pennant. Hartnett was MVP in 1935, when he hit .344 with 13 homers and 91 RBI.
Next five: Thurman Munson, Buck Ewing, Jorge Posada, Joe Torre, Ted Simmons
***** Leagues best: Josh Gibson, Larry Brown, Biz Mackey
Maybe someday: Joe Mauer
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07-19-2011, 04:22 PM
^ I'm sure these lists were created with HOF being in the weighting. Pudge is still probably as high as he would get. He was certainly a better defensive catcher than Piazzi, but the guys above him were the center-piece of their teams. Pudge was always a significant part, but never the #1 guy on the team. It could be argued that Yogi wasn't, but this was during an era where the Yankees had 5-6 #1 guys. Though guys like Rose, Perez and Morgan were #1 guys, I don't think anyone would argue that Bench was 1A!
07-21-2011, 09:44 AM
^ I don't know enough about Yogi, but all the old-timers have always put him at the top
07-21-2011, 07:18 PM
Stardust Wrote:^ I don't know enough about Yogi, but all the old-timers have always put him at the topThey do because they are oldtimers just like him.
Career Stats.
Berra 19 seasons
Avg. 285
HR 358
RBI 1430
Bench 16 seasons
Avg. 267
HR 389
RBI 1376
Yogi had a better average and more RBI's but played three more seasons. Bench would have past him in RBI's eventually. Bench is the best all time defensive catcher. I say that puts him number one. Oldtimers can kiss my ass.
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07-21-2011, 11:38 PM
Amun-Ra Wrote:They do because they are oldtimers just like him.
Career Stats.
Berra 19 seasons
Avg. 285
HR 358
RBI 1430
Bench 16 seasons
Avg. 267
HR 389
RBI 1376
Yogi had a better average and more RBI's but played three more seasons. Bench would have past him in RBI's eventually. Bench is the best all time defensive catcher. I say that puts him number one. Oldtimers can kiss my ass.
Are you throwing World Series rings out the window? How many rings does Bench have and how many rings does Yogi have?
07-22-2011, 01:15 AM
Bench has two World Series rings. Yogi has 13. As said before Yogi played on the Yankees. It was and is alot easier to get rings with them than with anyone else. Example: Joe Girardi has 4.
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âThis is a great tradition that we have to live up to. It feels good that we were able to do this for Kentucky.â Brandon Knight
âit was a tough one, but weâre the real blue.â Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
"This is MY state!" Anthony Davis
âThis is a great tradition that we have to live up to. It feels good that we were able to do this for Kentucky.â Brandon Knight
âit was a tough one, but weâre the real blue.â Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
"This is MY state!" Anthony Davis
07-22-2011, 08:07 AM
^ So KC Jones is the greatest shooting guard in NBA History???? Rings makes you the best? It helps, but is not the deciding factor in determining greatest.
07-22-2011, 09:16 AM
Stardust Wrote:^ So KC Jones is the greatest shooting guard in NBA History???? Rings makes you the best? It helps, but is not the deciding factor in determining greatest.
They are not the end-all argument but they help decide who is the best. With stats as close as they have, a 13-2 disparity in championships is a pretty good tie-breaker. You can't poo-poo rings.
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