:lmao: Nice link! I wonder if WildVector was one of the people he interviewed.
WideRight05 Wrote::lmao: Nice link! I wonder if WildVector was one of the people he interviewed.
There were a couple of interviews that sounded very much like his posts.....
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I'd bet that 60-70% of Obama supporters would answer these same questions much of the exact same way.
It's sad that a lot of minorities are voting for him based on the color of his skin.
If Obama were white, this would be a 90-10 election in favor of Romney.
Not trying to stir up feathers, but thats a fact.
Of course you are correct, RunItUpTheGut. And the fact that you feel compelled to add a bit of an apology for speaking the truth tells a lot about how political correctness has harmed free speech.
I have repeatedly posted asking Kardashian's people to give me one or two reasons why any taxpayer should vote for their boy. None have responded. None will respond. Why? Because the truth is that, if he weren't half black, he would have never progresed from being a local community agitator in south Chicago. But, of course, we who oppose his socialistic/muslim based philosophy are the "racists".
No, we aren't racists. We just pay the bills and suffer the decisions made by the majority of voters who contribute nothing but seek more freebies.
These questions aren't just limited to people from the bronx either.. Most of the people who post on this board are informed to some degree about why they choose their politics. however go out in town and ask some people these questions and a lot will answer almost the same way. They vote for Obama cause he is black and can speak eloquently. They don't want to seem racist by NOT voting for him..
crazytaxidriver Wrote:These questions aren't just limited to people from the bronx either.. Most of the people who post on this board are informed to some degree about why they choose their politics. however go out in town and ask some people these questions and a lot will answer almost the same way. They vote for Obama cause he is black and can speak eloquently. They don't want to seem racist by NOT voting for him..
Well we need to get out in town and ask these people who are too timid to vote their conscience, where they intend to live and how they intend to eat once the depression to end all depressions, clamps down on us. The predictions are that this depression will eclipse the great depression in severity. The ones with fortified positions and ammo will be put to the test when the streets are full of marauding hordes looking for food, according to apocalyptic visionaries.
I would be interested in knowing just how a professing Christian can vote for Kardashian. Obviously, they are Cafeteria Christians. They are also fools.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:I would be interested in knowing just how a professing Christian can vote for Kardashian. Obviously, they are Cafeteria Christians. They are also fools.
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You are exactly right. I have asked that question a thousand times. To me, it is impossible to be both a "modern day" democratic party supporter and a practicing Christian..
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:I would be interested in knowing just how a professing Christian can vote for Kardashian. Obviously, they are Cafeteria Christians. They are also fools.
Today i got to see both types of people we have been discussing on here. My mother is one of those hardcore christian people.. I love her dearly and she tries real hard.. she genuinely cares about people. And I also got to see a preacher who is a freewill baptist from this area say he supported the obama administration.
Now I got to see tempers flare in the matter of a few seconds. And i know why, but i can't understand how people can sit there and not listen to the other side..
I disagree with almost everything obama proposes. But that doesnt mean i won't' listen to what he says. My mom despises everything he does and doesn't want to listen to anything he says.. The preacher couldn't give a real reason that he supports obama. he just kept saying its his right to vote for him..
So while i'll never understand why people do what they do, i guess it's their right to do it. So i'll just vote my way
crazytaxidriver Wrote:Today i got to see both types of people we have been discussing on here. My mother is one of those hardcore christian people.. I love her dearly and she tries real hard.. she genuinely cares about people. And I also got to see a preacher who is a freewill baptist from this area say he supported the obama administration.
Now I got to see tempers flare in the matter of a few seconds. And i know why, but i can't understand how people can sit there and not listen to the other side..
I disagree with almost everything obama proposes. But that doesnt mean i won't' listen to what he says. My mom despises everything he does and doesn't want to listen to anything he says.. The preacher couldn't give a real reason that he supports obama. he just kept saying its his right to vote for him..
So while i'll never understand why people do what they do, i guess it's their right to do it. So i'll just vote my way
That's America. I would just add however, that we all have a responsibility in this land of governance, of the people and by the people, to be current in our perceptions about the driving forces in politics, finance, foreign policy and the like. If our president's modus operandi is one of saying one thing and doing another, we should question that and vote accordingly.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:I would be interested in knowing just how a professing Christian can vote for Kardashian. Obviously, they are Cafeteria Christians. They are also fools.
IM curious about this one. Romney is a Mormon correct? I have heard from many Christians that many people do not accept Mormonism as a christian faith.
I just listened to that.
OH MY SWEET GOD.
And these people are allowed to procreate.
This, IMO, says more about how stupid America is as a whole, more so than Obama supporters.
Like, no wonder this country sucks compared to before. The population is stupid.
Wildcatk23 Wrote:IM curious about this one. Romney is a Mormon correct? I have heard from many Christians that many people do not accept Mormonism as a christian faith.
No true Christian can support the radical funding and availability of abortions. No true Christian can support same sex marriages. If they accept the Holy Bible, which is a prerequisite for being a Christian, the admonitions are quite clear. There is no compromise.
Now, as for the Mormon issue, keep in mind that Kardashian's upbringing and heredity are certainly not Christian. His influences were all as a Muslim. We can argue all we want about whether he is a closet Muslim or not. His favored treatment of Muslim countries and continual defense of their religion indicates he is "close" to them. His alleged Christian ties are almost nonexistent. No one can legitimately argue that. In fact, he has attacked the most basic and holy tenet of the Catholic faith in regard to the forced birth control edict.
You may call Kardashian a Christian. I wouldn't do so. The evidence seems quite clear that this election pairs a Mormon against a Muslim (Muslim supporter and sympathizer if you prefer). I'll take the Mormon who, at least for the most part, represents traditional and long held Judeo-Christian beliefs. Kardashian certainly fails that test. But, then, he fails most all tests other than that of an incompetent radical. Oh. Of course, I should add that his constituency finds him "cool". He should be grateful he isn't running against Justin Bieber.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:No true Christian can support the radical funding and availability of abortions. No true Christian can support same sex marriages. If they accept the Holy Bible, which is a prerequisite for being a Christian, the admonitions are quite clear. There is no compromise.
Now, as for the Mormon issue, keep in mind that Kardashian's upbringing and heredity are certainly not Christian. His influences were all as a Muslim. We can argue all we want about whether he is a closet Muslim or not. His favored treatment of Muslim countries and continual defense of their religion indicates he is "close" to them. His alleged Christian ties are almost nonexistent. No one can legitimately argue that. In fact, he has attacked the most basic and holy tenet of the Catholic faith in regard to the forced birth control edict.
You may call Kardashian a Christian. I wouldn't do so. The evidence seems quite clear that this election pairs a Mormon against a Muslim (Muslim supporter and sympathizer if you prefer). I'll take the Mormon who, at least for the most part, represents traditional and long held Judeo-Christian beliefs. Kardashian certainly fails that test. But, then, he fails most all tests other than that of an incompetent radical. Oh. Of course, I should add that his constituency finds him "cool". He should be grateful he isn't running against Justin Bieber.
First off, a true christian can support same sex marriage. I do. But first you need to come to grips with what government is and does. Many hardline christians can't accept that government is not an extension of the church. There are two kinds of marriage... a religious one, and a civil/government one. While I strongly believe that the Christian marriage is to be only between man and a woman, I also believe that the government has a duty to protect homosexuals and allow them the right as heterosexuals.
Second, accepting the holy bible is not a prerequisite to Christianity. Scholars of the bible know that for 4 centuries, the bible as we know it didn't exist. Many people today who become christian have never read the bible.
Third, I'd vote for a satanic cult leader who's policies I agree with, over a Christian who didn't represent my political values.
As a hardline Catholic, I lose no sleep at night or time during the day in thought about what faith my government officials might hold. I care more about this country than that.
"Hardline Catholic"? Just how do you define "hardline Catholic"? Are you a devout Catholic or just a cafeteria Catholic?
And, no, a "true Christian" cannot, in good conscious, support same sex marriage. You can bob, weave, and spin all you want but, through the centuries, marriage has always been accepted to be as the sacred bonding of a man and a woman. That is what the Holy Bible, the "handbook" of Christian belief, makes quite clear.
And, while there may be Christians today who have never read the Holy Bible, one can obviously assume that, if they are Christians as you infer, they accept the teachings of that document. Otherwise, why would they claim to be "Christians"? If they do not accept those basic teachings, they are not Christians. That should be obvious.
If you do claim to be a practicing Catholic, I would recommend that you listen a little more to Cardinal Dolan and less to Barney Frank.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:"Hardline Catholic"? Just how do you define "hardline Catholic"? Are you a devout Catholic or just a cafeteria Catholic?
And, no, a "true Christian" cannot, in good conscious, support same sex marriage. You can bob, weave, and spin all you want but, through the centuries, marriage has always been accepted to be as the sacred bonding of a man and a woman. That is what the Holy Bible, the "handbook" of Christian belief, makes quite clear.
And, while there may be Christians today who have never read the Holy Bible, one can obviously assume that, if they are Christians as you infer, they accept the teachings of that document. Otherwise, why would they claim to be "Christians"? If they do not accept those basic teachings, they are not Christians. That should be obvious.
If you do claim to be a practicing Catholic, I would recommend that you listen a little more to Cardinal Dolan and less to Barney Frank.
I'm a devout Catholic of the traditional (Latin) rite. I appreciate your recommendation on listening to Cardinal Dolan, but it wasn't needed.
I'm not here for you're approval or condemnation. I believe strongly in equal rights for homosexual Americans. You can choose to disagree if you'd like. But don't tell me that I'm not a 'true christian' because of my beliefs.
As you state, the bible does make clear that same-sex marriage is sinful. However, I don't refer to the bible for guidance on government policy. Governments purpose is not to get people to heaven. And if it were, there'd be thousands of forms, fees, fines, regulations, and laws.
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Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:No true Christian can support the radical funding and availability of abortions. No true Christian can support same sex marriages. If they accept the Holy Bible, which is a prerequisite for being a Christian, the admonitions are quite clear. There is no compromise.
Now, as for the Mormon issue, keep in mind that Kardashian's upbringing and heredity are certainly not Christian. His influences were all as a Muslim. We can argue all we want about whether he is a closet Muslim or not. His favored treatment of Muslim countries and continual defense of their religion indicates he is "close" to them. His alleged Christian ties are almost nonexistent. No one can legitimately argue that. In fact, he has attacked the most basic and holy tenet of the Catholic faith in regard to the forced birth control edict.
You may call Kardashian a Christian. I wouldn't do so. The evidence seems quite clear that this election pairs a Mormon against a Muslim (Muslim supporter and sympathizer if you prefer). I'll take the Mormon who, at least for the most part, represents traditional and long held Judeo-Christian beliefs. Kardashian certainly fails that test. But, then, he fails most all tests other than that of an incompetent radical. Oh. Of course, I should add that his constituency finds him "cool". He should be grateful he isn't running against Justin Bieber.
You danced around my question in every way possible. Is there really such a thing as being more non Christian than the other? It's either you are you ain't . And Romney is a Mormon. Extremely different from a Christian from what I have heard. I don't care about his faith but find it interesting people sayin they won't vote for Obama because he is not a Christian .
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:"Hardline Catholic"? Just how do you define "hardline Catholic"? Are you a devout Catholic or just a cafeteria Catholic?
I'm a traditional Latin rite Catholic who attends mass many times a week, does penance, prays to the saints, honors Mary, ect.
Quote:And, no, a "true Christian" cannot, in good conscious, support same sex marriage. You can bob, weave, and spin all you want but, through the centuries, marriage has always been accepted to be as the sacred bonding of a man and a woman. That is what the Holy Bible, the "handbook" of Christian belief, makes quite clear.
I'll disagree, respectfully. I'm a true christian, and in good conscience,I support same sex marriage at the level of government. I want to make clear my belief and support of a government that is FREE from all religion.
Quote:And, while there may be Christians today who have never read the Holy Bible, one can obviously assume that, if they are Christians as you infer, they accept the teachings of that document. Otherwise, why would they claim to be "Christians"? If they do not accept those basic teachings, they are not Christians. That should be obvious.
If you do claim to be a practicing Catholic, I would recommend that you listen a little more to Cardinal Dolan and less to Barney Frank.
I listen often to Cardinal Dolan, and would highly recommend his books "Doers of the World", and "Called to be Holy".
You may disagree with me, and continue to believe that I'm not a "true Christian". This affects my salvation, faith, and relationship with God in absolutely no way.
Keep up the faith.
Wildcatk23 Wrote:You danced around my question in every way possible. Is there really such a thing as being more non Christian than the other? It's either you are you ain't . And Romney is a Mormon. Extremely different from a Christian from what I have heard. I don't care about his faith but find it interesting people sayin they won't vote for Obama because he is not a Christian .
How many Mormans do you see setting embassys on fire, slamming planes into high rise buildings, mass demonstating with chants of "Death to America" and brutally killing other countries' ambassadors and the such? And how many of those all around fun loving, quran toting Muslim brothers of Obama do you see doing that stuff?
Wildcatk23 Wrote:You danced around my question in every way possible. Is there really such a thing as being more non Christian than the other? It's either you are you ain't . And Romney is a Mormon. Extremely different from a Christian from what I have heard. I don't care about his faith but find it interesting people sayin they won't vote for Obama because he is not a Christian .
No one is dancing around your question. The answer should be obvious. While most would prefer a traditional Christian over a Mormon, the moral beliefs and practices of Romney far closer mirror the traditional Judeo-Christian tenets than do the beliefs of Kardashian. In truth, we really don't know a lot about Kardashian's religious beliefs or even if he has any. However, we can sure conclude that he is not a Christian in the manner that most all would define a Christian.
Maybe choosing Romney, in a religious sense, is the lesser of two bad choices. Nonetheless, the choice is obvious. Actually, Bob Segar's post immediately above is right on target and that lard-butted, ignorant, lazy freeloader blowing about her free "obamaphone" is very representative of the typical Kardashian supporter.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:No one is dancing around your question. The answer should be obvious. While most would prefer a traditional Christian over a Mormon, the moral beliefs and practices of Romney far closer mirror the traditional Judeo-Christian tenets than do the beliefs of Kardashian. In truth, we really don't know a lot about Kardashian's religious beliefs or even if he has any. However, we can sure conclude that he is not a Christian in the manner that most all would define a Christian.
Maybe choosing Romney, in a religious sense, is the lesser of two bad choices. Nonetheless, the choice is obvious. Actually, Bob Segar's post immediately above is right on target and that lard-butted, ignorant, lazy freeloader blowing about her free "obamaphone" is very representative of the typical Kardashian supporter.
Apparently he does believe in the words of his long time spiritual advisor Jerimiah Wright, whom regularly spews out hate laced sermons which include rants such as "GD America" from the pulpit. And it also certainly appears that Obama is trying to head those commandments with all the gusto that he can muster.
If Bucky Kardashian is really a Christian with the beliefs that that entails, he certainly does a good job of hiding it. The Buckaroo seems to be the same type of Christian as was Khrushchev. And remember, Khrushchev said that he didn't need to defeat the United States because it would destroy itself from within. Do you suppose he had a vision of Kardashian?
Bob Seger Wrote:Apparently he does believe in the words of his long time spiritual advisor Jerimiah Wright, whom regularly spews out hate laced sermons which include rants such as "GD America" from the pulpit. And it also certainly appears that Obama is trying to head those commandments with all the gusto that he can muster.
Sheeesh, apparently it was way too late for me to be up. Correct that to Jeremiah and heed.
Too mush of a diet of vector and widemiddle on here I guess. You know what they say about one rotten apple.
^ Reminds me of 2016: Obama's America. It goes into detail about our nation's founding fathers, and then Obama's founding fathers - one of them being Jeremiah Wright.
[quote=ronald reagan]I'm a devout Catholic of the traditional (Latin) rite. I appreciate your recommendation on listening to Cardinal Dolan, but it wasn't needed.
I'm not here for you're approval or condemnation. I believe strongly in equal rights for homosexual Americans. You can choose to disagree if you'd like. But don't tell me that I'm not a 'true christian' because of my beliefs.
As you state, the bible does make clear that same-sex marriage is sinful. However, I don't refer to the bible for guidance on government policy. Governments purpose is not to get people to heaven. And if it were, there'd be thousands of forms, fees, fines, regulations, and laws.
Perhaps, the next time you are in your Catholic Church, you should pick up, read, and digest a copy of the pamphlet entitled "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics". It should enlighten you a bit as to the issues that are nonnegotiable to those who are "Serious Catholics". Of course, that would not include Cafeteria Catholics who like to pick and choose what to follow and what to ignore. The Catholic Church is not a multiple choice church. It has absolutes.
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:Perhaps, the next time you are in your Catholic Church, you should pick up, read, and digest a copy of the pamphlet entitled "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics". It should enlighten you a bit as to the issues that are nonnegotiable to those who are "Serious Catholics". Of course, that would not include Cafeteria Catholics who like to pick and choose what to follow and what to ignore. The Catholic Church is not a multiple choice church. It has absolutes.
I've read the voters guide in the past, and understand the church's position on the issues. However, I choose another path on the issue of gay marriage. I understand and accept the risks and consequences of my decision. I feel very comfortable with it.
Thank you very much for your concern. I will respectfully disagree with you on this issue.
My understanding of dignitatis humanae (from Pope Paul VI) is that government has a responsibility to treat all citizens equally, and allow them to practice their faith free from coercion. This along with my belief that government today is evil in itself, leads me to support freedom from government, freedom of religion, and support for equal rights. I do not support gay marriage in the sense that I'd officiate, attend, or condone. I just believe in the freedom of man according to the principles this nation was founded upon. Life, limb, or property..... gay marriage takes nothing from me, or you. Therefor, I support legalization of it proudly.
And will no longer refer to myself as a 'true christian', as it seems a bit egotistical and narrow minded. I will follow my faith, and continue the fight.
Thanks.