[Hoot Gibson]

The way I see things OS, and anybody else that doesn't want to pay taxes, is that you have several options:

Vote for change(your best option)
Email your representatives(another good option)
Move to a country that doesn't take up taxes to live there(good luck finding one)
Find a country to move to that takes up what you Repubs consider fair taxes(again, good luck finding one)
Quit paying taxes and wait for the IRS to find you
Or lastly, hush about it.

No one in history has ever heard me whine about paying taxes. I do gladly, to live in the greatest country on earth.

Neither a high tax rate nor unions make this the greatest country on earth. Unions played a positive role throughout most of the 20th Century and then helped destroy our manufacturing sector. As for taxes, no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity and none ever will. A majority of union workers now work in government jobs, 12 percent of federal employees make salaries in excess of $100,000/yr., and as a nation, we are going broke faster every day that Obama and the Democrats are in charge.

You may be glad to be living in the greatest country on earth, but the people and policies that you support will ensure that you will not die in the greatest country on earth.

[TheRealVille]

Neither a high tax rate nor unions make this the greatest country on earth. Unions played a positive role throughout most of the 20th Century and then helped destroy our manufacturing sector. As for taxes, no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity and none ever will. A majority of union workers now work in government jobs, 12 percent of federal employees make salaries in excess of $100,000/yr., and as a nation, we are going broke faster every day that Obama and the Democrats are in charge.

You may be glad to be living in the greatest country on earth, but the people and policies that you support will ensure that you will not die in the greatest country on earth.

Don't pay taxes then.

[TheRealVille]

It all reverts back to your options that I posted, Hoot. As for me, I will pay my taxes and continue to vote for people that are friendly to my union trade. Even with paying taxes and union dues, the union construction trade has provided me a pretty good living, I think I will continue in it.

Vote for change(your best option)
Email your representatives(another good option)
Move to a country that doesn't take up taxes to live there(good luck finding one)
Find a country to move to that takes up what you Repubs consider fair taxes(again, good luck finding one)
Quit paying taxes and wait for the IRS to find you
Or lastly, hush about it.

[Old School]

The way I see things OS, and anybody else that doesn't want to pay taxes, is that you have several options:

Vote for change(your best option)
Email your representatives(another good option)
Move to a country that doesn't take up taxes to live there(good luck finding one)
Find a country to move to that takes up what you Repubs consider fair taxes(again, good luck finding one)
Quit paying taxes and wait for the IRS to find you
Or lastly, hush about it.


No one in history has ever heard me whine about paying taxes. I do gladly, to live in the greatest country on earth.

The first two have been taken care of. As for numbers three and four, I guess I can run away from the problem or I can say and help correct the current system and I'm not going anywhere. Number 5, I'm always paid my far share of taxes, and will continue to do so. However I do have a problem with the wasteful spending of my tax dollars, paying to stablize mismanaged business is not the best practice. How will they learn from their mistakes if we as a country keep bailing them out. Where does it stop? or Will it every stop?
Number 6, In your wildest dreams my friend, will I shut up.

Neither a high tax rate nor unions make this the greatest country on earth. Unions played a positive role throughout most of the 20th Century and then helped destroy our manufacturing sector. As for taxes, no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity and none ever will. A majority of union workers now work in government jobs, 12 percent of federal employees make salaries in excess of $100,000/yr., and as a nation, we are going broke faster every day that Obama and the Democrats are in charge.

You may be glad to be living in the greatest country on earth, but the people and policies that you support will ensure that you will not die in the greatest country on earth.

Good Post :Thumbs: Today more people receive government benefits than pay taxes.

[Hoot Gibson]

It all reverts back to your options that I posted, Hoot. As for me, I will pay my taxes and continue to vote for people that are friendly to my union trade. Even with paying taxes and union dues, the union construction trade has provided me a pretty good living, I think I will continue in it.

I have no doubt that you will continue to myopically vote in your own selfish interests. Unfortunately, with only 53 percent of Americans paying federal income taxes and the number of federally employed union members exploding under the Obama regime, the day is fast approaching when selfish Americans will become a permanent voting majority. When that day arrives, the days of our representative republic will quickly come to an end.

[TheRealVille]

I have no doubt that you will continue to myopically vote in your own selfish interests. Unfortunately, with only 53 percent of Americans paying federal income taxes and the number of federally employed union members exploding under the Obama regime, the day is fast approaching when selfish Americans will become a permanent voting majority. When that day arrives, the days of our representative republic will quickly come to an end.

I guess you want me to vote for people that vow to destroy unions and try at every opportunity, even though I work union?

[Hoot Gibson]

I guess you want me to vote for people that vow to destroy unions and try at every opportunity, even though I work union?

Your vote is your business. However, millions of blue collar Democrats voted for Ronald Reagan, many of them union members, because they recognized the heavy damage that Jimmy Carter's liberal policies had done to our nation in only four years. There is no law that requires union members to vote against the best interests of the nation as a whole because union bosses have bought political favors with their union dues and promised, in exchange, to deliver the votes of their members.

If you want to blindly support such a corrupt system, then that is certainly your right as an American - a right for which millions have fought and thousands have died. I prefer to live and die a free American, secure in the knowledge that I have contributed more to this country than I have taken from it. I am not beholden to any union boss or politician and my success or failure or financial well being does not depend on an election.

It is sad that you believe that your financial well being depends on something other than your own ability, initiative, and hard work.

[TheRealVille]

It is sad that you believe that your financial well being depends on something other than your own ability, initiative, and hard work.

No doubt you know nothing about union and non union construction. My agent get's me a job and my hard work and ability is what keeps me on a project until the end. When the non-union construction workers' company runs out of work, he is just out until he can travel all over trying to find another contractor to hire him. If no non-union contractors are hiring, he is out of a job. Through our union network, when my contractor runs out of work, my business agent, through the nationwide network, can find me a job somewhere within days.

Yea, ask those Reagan supporting union members how work was after he got in office. A union person couldn't buy a job in the 80's and a lot of them barely made it. He also, almost single handedly broke the union, through the air traffic controllers.

[TheRealVille]

Forgot to put that union and nonunion construction is a lot different than mining coal. The usual project length is 2 years at the most. If the coal industry was like this, you would see things different, as far as finding work goes. You people might work for the same company 20-30 years, it is never like that for us.

[TheRealVille]

I prefer to live and die a free American, secure in the knowledge that I have contributed more to this country than I have taken from it

Would you be interested in comparing charitable contribution statements?

[Hoot Gibson]

No doubt you know nothing about union and non union construction. My agent get's me a job and my hard work and ability is what keeps me on a project until the end. When the non-union construction workers' company runs out of work, he is just out until he can travel all over trying to find another contractor to hire him. If no non-union contractors are hiring, he is out of a job. Through our union network, when my contractor runs out of work, my business agent, through the nationwide network, can find me a job somewhere within days.

Yea, ask those Reagan supporting union members how work was after he got in office. A union person couldn't buy a job in the 80's and a lot of them barely made it. He also, almost single handedly broke the union, through the air traffic controllers.

What I understand about unions is that they greatly increase the cost of government construction projects and keep wages much higher than they should be. Reagan fired air traffic controllers who were engaged in an illegal strike. PATCO broke itself by breaking the law and not taking Reagan's warnings seriously. Reagan was merely enforcing one of the many federal laws that he was sworn to uphold. Of course you and your union buddies have a problem with him firing a bunch of law breaking union members. What a shock.

[Hoot Gibson]

Would you be interested in comparing charitable contribution statements?

No. My charitable donations, financial records, and other personal information are none of your business and I would have no way of verifying the legitimacy of any records that you provided to me anyway. Supporting Obama makes you an accomplice to the millions of moochers in this country who are continuously looking for their next handout. Charitable donations cannot absolve you of that guilt.

[TheRealVille]

What I understand about unions is that they greatly increase the cost of government construction projects and keep wages much higher than they should be. Reagan fired air traffic controllers who were engaged in an illegal strike. PATCO broke itself by breaking the law and not taking Reagan's warnings seriously. Reagan was merely enforcing one of the many federal laws that he was sworn to uphold. Of course you and your union buddies have a problem with him firing a bunch of law breaking union members. What a shock.

You look at the world through Republican colored glasses. What else is new?

[TheRealVille]

No. My charitable donations, financial records, and other personal information are none of your business and I would have no way of verifying the legitimacy of any records that you provided to me anyway. Supporting Obama makes you an accomplice to the millions of moochers in this country who are continuously looking for their next handout. Charitable donations cannot absolve you of that guilt.

Just what I thought, you don't contribute squat to the country. You are a typical repub, you only take, take, take.

[Hoot Gibson]

Just what I thought, you don't contribute squat to the country. You are a typical repub, you only take, take, take.

With all of the "let's make it all about me" posts that you have made, have you made a single post that has been on topic? Do you support the socialists' plan to use $165 billion to bail out union pension funds or do you oppose it?

FYI, it is a well known fact that the average Republican makes far more charitable contributions than the average Democrat. (Although I am not a registered Republican, a fact that I have repeated many times - yet you continue to brand me one.) As for taking, you are the one who has no problems with the federal government taking tax dollars to repay its political debts to the unions.

Is there any legislative or regulatory action taken by the Obama regime that you have not supported? Are you capable of thinking for yourself or are you content regurgitating Democrat talking points?

[TheRealVille]

FYI, it is a well known fact that the average Republican makes far more charitable contributions than the average Democrat.

We are talking about you and I though. You were the one that said " I prefer to live and die a free American, secure in the knowledge that I have contributed more to this country than I have taken from it." Put your money where your mouth is. I'll take you on a "mans word" as to what you have contributed to the world. Again, care to compare?

[TheRealVille]

We are talking about you and I though. You were the one that said " I prefer to live and die a free American, secure in the knowledge that I have contributed more to this country than I have taken from it." Put your money where your mouth is. I'll take you on a "mans word" as to what you have contributed to the world. Again, care to compare?

Don't make statements like the above quote, if you don't know that you contribute more to the world than me.

[Hoot Gibson]

We are talking about you and I though. You were the one that said " I prefer to live and die a free American, secure in the knowledge that I have contributed more to this country than I have taken from it." Put your money where your mouth is. I'll take you on a "mans word" as to what you have contributed to the world. Again, care to compare?

You may be willing to take my word for what I have contributed, but I am not willing to take your's. Your denial of insulting Christians in contradiction of your own posts has already shown what your word means.

Still refusing to post anything pertaining to the topic? Do you support bailing out union pensions with tax dollars or do you oppose such thievery?

[Hoot Gibson]

Don't make statements like the above quote, if you don't know that you contribute more to the world than me.

I made no such claim. This post is just another example of your blatant dishonesty. If you do not have anything to say regarding the OP, why don't you start your own thread. You could give it a title like, "Who cares about politics, let's talk about me some more" :lmao:

[TheRealVille]

I made no such claim. This post is just another example of your blatant dishonesty. If you do not have anything to say regarding the OP, why don't you start your own thread. You could give it a title like, "Who cares about politics, let's talk about me some more" :lmao:

You were the one that insinuated that you gave more to the world than me.

[TheRealVille]

You may be willing to take my word for what I have contributed, but I am not willing to take your's. Your denial of insulting Christians in contradiction of your own posts has already shown what your word means.

Still refusing to post anything pertaining to the topic? Do you support bailing out union pensions with tax dollars or do you oppose such thievery?

Not believing in their "God" doesn't mean that I am insulting them. I don't care what they believe, as long as they don't bring it into government. You sir, are nothing but a word twister. Your honesty shows through, :igiveup:

[Hoot Gibson]

You were the one that insinuated that you gave more to the world than me.

No, I did not - I spoke only of my own balance of contributions versus use of government benefits. Your conscience is probably playing tricks on your eyes for your continuing support of our Thief-in-Chief.

[Hoot Gibson]

Not believing in their "God" doesn't mean that I am insulting them. You sir, are nothing but a word twister. Your honesty shows through, :igiveup:

Refusing to capitalize "Christian" and "God" and referring to others religious beliefs as "fairy tales" is insulting. Denying that you did so, when the posts are still available for everybody to read is plain dumb - but if that is the story that you want to tell, you just go ahead and stick with it. Those of us who participated in that thread know the truth.

[TheRealVille]

Refusing to capitalize "Christian" and "God" and referring to others religious beliefs as "fairy tales" is insulting. Denying that you did so, when the posts are still available for everybody to read is plain dumb - but if that is the story that you want to tell, you just go ahead and stick with it. Those of us who participated in that thread know the truth.

I'm not denying it. It is fairy tales to me, what they believe is up to them. Where did I ever deny that I didn't capitalize those words. Post it.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm not denying it. It is fairy tales to me, what they believe is up to them. Where did I ever deny that I didn't capitalize those words. Post it.

While debating Christians in another thread, you consistently did not capitalize the proper nouns "Christianity" and "God." In this thread, you capitalized the words until I commended you for doing so. You can deny making comments ridiculing Christianity and those who believe in God in the other thread all you want. You can also claim that it was your ignorance of grammar rules that led you to begin "Christianity" and "God" with lower case letters in that thread but nobody is going to believe you.

Now, what about the OP? Is it right or wrong to spend $160 billion of American tax dollars bailing out union pension funds? If you just refuse to answer, be honest and just say so.

[TheRealVille]

While debating Christians in another thread, you consistently did not capitalize the proper nouns "Christianity" and "God." In this thread, you capitalized the words until I commended you for doing so. You can deny making comments ridiculing Christianity and those who believe in God in the other thread all you want. You can also claim that it was your ignorance of grammar rules that led you to begin "Christianity" and "God" with lower case letters in that thread but nobody is going to believe you.

Now, what about the OP? Is it right or wrong to spend $160 billion of American tax dollars bailing out union pension funds? If you just refuse to answer, be honest and just say so.

I don't think they should be bailed out. It was just one guy( Bob Casey, (D). PA.) said they needed to bail out union pensions to help save jobs. Obama said there will be no more bailouts, so it's a moot point.

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't think they should be bailed out. It was just one guy( Bob Casey, (D). PA.) said they needed to bail out union pensions to help save jobs. Obama said there will be no more bailouts, so it's a moot point.

THANK YOU! I hope that your answer does not get you into trouble with your union bosses.

[TheRealVille]

THANK YOU! I hope that your answer does not get you into trouble with your union bosses.

:eyeroll: LOL. You want me to PM you the phone number?

[Hoot Gibson]

:eyeroll: LOL. You want me to PM you the phone number?

No thanks. Fortunately, my days of dealing with unions were over many years ago. Your secret is safe with me. :biggrin:

[TheRealVille]

Here's a history of bailouts since Reagan, notice who gives most of them.

● Chrysler 1980 In 1979 Chrysler suffered a loss of $1.1 billion. That year the corporation requested aid from the government. In 1980 the Chrysler Loan Guarantee Act was passed, which provided $1.5 billion in loans to rescue Chrysler from insolvency. In addition, the government's aid was to be matched by U.S. and foreign banks. (What happened after the bailout?) $4.0 billion
● Continental Illinois National Bank and Trust Company 1984 Then the nation's eighth largest bank, Continental Illinois had suffered significant losses after purchasing $1 billion in energy loans from the failed Penn Square Bank of Oklahoma. The FDIC and Federal Reserve devised a plan to rescue the bank that included replacing the bank's top executives. (What happened after the bailout?) $9.5 billion
● Savings & Loan 1989 After the widespread failure of savings and loan institutions, President George H. W. Bush signed and Congress enacted the Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act in 1989. (What happened after the bailout?) $293.3 billion
● Airline industry - The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
● Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion. $142.2 billion

http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts