[Mr.Kimball]

Weighted scales, Kemba, weighted scales... read the "Book" you claim to deacon around about at First Church. How naked go the sometimes nude, Kemba, and that's totally the fact. Do you understand I'm not talking about the local grocer? The local concrete company owner? For instance, I am talking about children spending 18 hours in diamond mines. I am talking about clear cutting the rain forest for paper towels. I am talking about cutting fins off sharks and throwing the rest to sink to the bottom so that affluent Japanese can have a little soup. Surely you're being purposely obtuse? willfully ignorant? a horse's backside?

You know, reading one of your posts is like listening to someone shake a rustoleum can. What ever are you rattling on about? I'm sure I am not alone in feeling like beating my head against a rock trying to make some sense out of anything you ramble on about. YOU ARE MAKING ZERO!!


"Read the Book" ? Do what??? And the "book" has what to do with what we are talking about?


The bolded part is exactly what I was talking about earlier. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING WITHOUT TALKING IN SOME SORT OF CIRCLE OR RIDDLE? First off, you state that the American Industrial System is nothing more than a enviroment destroying,worker exploiting, war mongoring machine. You even go on to call it "The Beast". Now you are changing it to meaning something about some off the wall stuff that is going on in Africa or in Japan. Seeing that those situations are not happening in the United States and has no relevance to the discussion at all with this countries ability to financially afford this idiodic health care package, I cannot understand for the life of me what you are talking about once again. You are coming totally from out in space somewhere with this stuff, and are coming across quite frankly as a complete idiot.

[Mr.Kimball]

No, you either answer the questions or shut up with this "I answer, you just dont like the answers" crap. And try one time to answer a question without all of this "Paul Simon" type meaningless crap. You have to resort to that childishness because you cant respond with anything that makes any sense though, can you?


No doubt in the same ward and sharing a room with Lynn Samuels. That's just about your speed.

Still no response?

[Mr.Kimball]

I dont guess you caught Obama's doctor cousin's interview this morning, I take? While Mr. Wolfe stated that as a family member he could not be more proud in what his cousin had accomplished, he was also very vocal and blunt to the point, in that his health care ideas for America were way out in left field and that his health care reform policy would be a complete disaster for this country.

But then again, I guess you dont want to hear that either.

No comment again on this one?

[Mr.Kimball]

Just who do you think the squeezed middle class is? I AM THE SQUEEZED MIDDLE CLASS, you moron. And on the lower end of it too, I might add. Yeah, it's guys like me who will be paying to keep up lazy and honery sleeze bags like yourself. And quite frankly I am tired of working my tail off so you can have it better than I do.

Again, I see your failure to respond.

[Mr.Kimball]

And you know any of this, how? Just what makes you an expert on any of this? Did Nancy Pelosi tell you? Perhaps Harry Reid? Perhaps the supreme idiot himself?

You have proven time and time and time again that when it comes to either business matters or anything involving a financial process, you are about as dumb as a rock. You again, dont have the first clue as to what you are talking about. Ironic that you bring up the term, knucklehead!!

Are you forgetting this one too?

[Mr.Kimball]

kemba, are you riding tonto? I respond. You just don't like my responses, and in your world, that means i don't respond. Interesting mental resedential you inhabit there.

Then try responding to what I have repeatedly asked!!!

[thecavemaster]

Then try responding to what I have repeatedly asked!!!

If we can afford two wars, we can afford decent healthcare for our citizens, else we have no moral authority whatsoever in the world. The uberrich is an issue beyond this country, beyond economic systems, beyond political systems... "the Beast" is not capitalism or socialism or the American Industrial Complex per se. I have stated that I have no particurlar devotion to this President or this particular healthcare reform bill; however, and I say this again, decent and affordable healthcare for all citizens, especially the working poor and squeezed middle, with no games, no favors paid to Big insurance or Big Pharma. That's my personal priority, irregardless of who or what party gets it accomplished. By the way, the "Book" speaks of the uberrich. Try reading it outside the parameters of a narrowed vision sometime.

[thecavemaster]

Again, I see your failure to respond.

Nasty, nasty Kemba... poor Baby.

[Mr.Kimball]

If we can afford two wars, we can afford decent healthcare for our citizens, else we have no moral authority whatsoever in the world. The uberrich is an issue beyond this country, beyond economic systems, beyond political systems... "the Beast" is not capitalism or socialism or the American Industrial Complex per se. I have stated that I have no particurlar devotion to this President or this particular healthcare reform bill; however, and I say this again, decent and affordable healthcare for all citizens,especially the working poor and squeezed middle, with no games, no favors paid to Big insurance or Big Pharma. That's my personal priority, irregardless of who or what party gets it accomplished. By the way, the "Book" speaks of the uberrich. Try reading it outside the parameters of a narrowed vision sometime.

Hey, how aboutlet's just buy these senators and congressman off instead then. We'll give them the cash instead. Lets put them in the what you call uberrich category so they will vote our way? Lets pay them the big money, lets give their family members lofty positions, lets just rob the taxpayers for everything we can get away with to obtain bribe money? If they dont want to go our way, lets make life absolutely miserable for them. Lets deny any funding for them or their needy constituents, We'll show em we can play hard ball. We'll show we dont care how badly their represented districts may need aid. We'll show em that they either go our way or heck's to pay. Yeah, that's the ticket. Yep, that otta do it. Hey wait, we already did that and are continuing to do that at a frantic pace by making these back room, dark alley deals, didn't/aren't we.

[Mr.Kimball]

Nasty, nasty Kemba... poor Baby.

So again it's just more of the same childish rhetoric as opposed to an intelligent and legitimate response. Again I stress, you demonstrate absolutely zero credibility and appear to come across as nothing more than a rambling complete idiot.

[Mr.Kimball]

And you know any of this, how? Just what makes you an expert on any of this? Did Nancy Pelosi tell you? Perhaps Harry Reid? Perhaps the supreme idiot himself?

You have proven time and time and time again that when it comes to either business matters or anything involving a financial process, you are about as dumb as a rock. You again, dont have the first clue as to what you are talking about. Ironic that you bring up the term, knucklehead!!

How about it?

[Mr.Kimball]

Just who do you think the squeezed middle class is? I AM THE SQUEEZED MIDDLE CLASS, you moron. And on the lower end of it too, I might add. Yeah, it's guys like me who will be paying to keep up lazy and honery sleeze bags like yourself. And quite frankly I am tired of working my tail off so you can have it better than I do.

Remember me?

[Mr.Kimball]

I dont guess you caught Obama's doctor cousin's interview this morning, I take? While Mr. Wolfe stated that as a family member he could not be more proud in what his cousin had accomplished, he was also very vocal and blunt to the point, in that his health care ideas for America were way out in left field and that his health care reform policy would be a complete disaster for this country.

But then again, I guess you dont want to hear that either.

Yawn, how about it CM?

[Mr.Kimball]

And by the way, evidently your president must support both causes, as we are still in Iraq, and he has just sent 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

What cha say?

[Mr.Kimball]

Kemba, are you riding Tonto? I respond. You just don't like my responses, and in your world, that means I don't respond. Interesting mental resedential you inhabit there.

Come on big boy. You always respond, so lets hear a few. All I'm seeing is avoidance.


Lets just be honest, you have done nothing more than make a complete fool out of yourself. You cant respond, can you? I know it, you know it, and everybody else on here knows it.

I guess that big ol' pill is a pretty hard one to swallow, aint it? lol

[thecavemaster]

"Kembatonic"... the relaxed, nigh anesthetized state of mind that occurs when reading Kemba's drivel.... For the record, Obama is not my President... he is the President of the United States, elected without tampering by the Supreme Court. More than anything else, the "war on terror" (minus any sacrifice whatsoever on the behalf of the American people) has sent the deficit skyrocketing. I would suggest that bringing a lot of our troops home throughout the world would be a reasonable premise.

[Mr.Kimball]

"Kembatonic"... the relaxed, nigh anesthetized state of mind that occurs when reading Kemba's drivel.... For the record, Obama is not my President... he is the President of the United States, elected without tampering by the Supreme Court. More than anything else, the "war on terror" (minus any sacrifice whatsoever on the behalf of the American people) has sent the deficit skyrocketing. I would suggest that bringing a lot of our troops home throughout the world would be a reasonable premise.

At least I knew I could always count on you to to reply with a simple bunch "Nothings" that totally avoid the questioning. Your baaaaaaaaaaack!!!!

[TidesHoss32]

"Kembatonic"... the relaxed, nigh anesthetized state of mind that occurs when reading Kemba's drivel.... For the record, Obama is not my President... he is the President of the United States, elected without tampering by the Supreme Court. More than anything else, the "war on terror" (minus any sacrifice whatsoever on the behalf of the American people) has sent the deficit skyrocketing. I would suggest that bringing a lot of our troops home throughout the world would be a reasonable premise.

Obama is not my president either. Its kind of hard to play the "bring the troops home" thing like he did during his campaign since he just sent what? 40,000 more?

[thecavemaster]

At least I knew I could always count on you to to reply with a simple bunch "Nothings" that totally avoid the questioning. Your baaaaaaaaaaack!!!!

Obama's brother-in-law coaches Oregon State. Shall I respond to what he thinks of healthcare as well? What about his auntie in Oahu? his uncle in Barbados? Give me a break, Kimball. I have frequent conversations with several folks who work in the healthcare game. To me, as I listen to them, the consensus, not without disagreement, is that we have to begin healthcare reform somewhere, and that this bill, while flawed, is a launching pad from which the journey can begin.

[thecavemaster]

Obama is not my president either. Its kind of hard to play the "bring the troops home" thing like he did during his campaign since he just sent what? 40,000 more?

Since when did it become necessary to support all a person's policies in order to be a consistent voter? I do not support further deployment. Afghanistan is what it was: a quagmire for superpowers. The bin Laden's of the world always shop around, looking for instability and insurrection as vehicles to find a nesting site for terror. The world is now, was then, and always will have plenty of straw and string for such nests.

[Mr.Kimball]

Obama's brother-in-law coaches Oregon State. Shall I respond to what he thinks of healthcare as well? What about his auntie in Oahu? his uncle in Barbados? Give me a break, Kimball. I have frequent conversations with several folks who work in the healthcare game. To me, as I listen to them, the consensus, not without disagreement, is that we have to begin healthcare reform somewhere, and that this bill, while flawed, is a launching pad from which the journey can begin.

First off, you dont deserve a break!!!

Secondly, how about listening to those who are saddled with paying for everything?

[thecavemaster]

First off, you dont deserve a break!!!

Secondly, how about listening to those who are saddled with paying for everything?

I would suggest the folks I was talking to pay their fair share... most of them make in excess of 100k. The guy working at Walmart full time (working poor) pays, by %, as much as them as well. People ought not go broke because they get sick, Kemba. People ought not to die prematurely because they can't afford decent healthcare, Kemba. People ought not to have their insurance dropped post diagnosis, Kemba. Maybe you're the nihilistic athiest?

[TidesHoss32]

Since when did it become necessary to support all a person's policies in order to be a consistent voter? I do not support further deployment. Afghanistan is what it was: a quagmire for superpowers. The bin Laden's of the world always shop around, looking for instability and insurrection as vehicles to find a nesting site for terror. The world is now, was then, and always will have plenty of straw and string for such nests.

Well he shouldnt have based a lot of his "change" bull**** on telling those naive Americans "wanting to get that oil man out" that he would be bringing them home by this summer, knowing every word that came out of his demonic mouth was a L-I-E.

[thecavemaster]

Well he shouldnt have based a lot of his "change" bull**** on telling those naive Americans "wanting to get that oil man out" that he would be bringing them home by this summer, knowing every word that came out of his demonic mouth was a L-I-E.

Americans expect (apparently) their candidates to scratch itchy ears, TideHoss. It hardly makes one demonic, though it does reveal you as a hack. Candidates can never know the "in detail" on-the-ground realities that the sitting President knows. I would suggest tempering promises with doses of reality, but neither party, and apparently the American public, would be interested.

[Mr.Kimball]

I would suggest the folks I was talking to pay their fair share... most of them make in excess of 100k. The guy working at Walmart full time (working poor) pays, by %, as much as them as well. People ought not go broke because they get sick, Kemba. People ought not to die prematurely because they can't afford decent healthcare, Kemba. People ought not to have their insurance dropped post diagnosis, Kemba. Maybe you're the nihilistic athiest?

Do you pay your fair share, or have you figured out how to tweak the system?

[thecavemaster]

Do you pay your fair share, or have you figured out how to tweak the system?

My wages would be more like the Walmart guy than the doctor/lawyer; however, with property taxes and the like, I pay a % share that "hurts' just like anyone else.

[Mr.Kimball]

Americans expect (apparently) their candidates to scratch itchy ears, TideHoss. It hardly makes one demonic, though it does reveal you as a hack. Candidates can never know the "in detail" on-the-ground realities that the sitting President knows. I would suggest tempering promises with doses of reality, but neither party, and apparently the American public, would be interested.

What he's trying to say Hoss , is that he didn't have the first idea of what he was talking about when he started making the promises.

[thecavemaster]

What he's trying to say Hoss , is that he didn't have the first idea of what he was talking about when he started making the promises.

Do they make a Rosetta Stone for those who "hear" only what they want to?

[Mr.Kimball]

My wages would be more like the Walmart guy than the doctor/lawyer; however, with property taxes and the like, I pay a % share that "hurts' just like anyone else.

And a guy that is as smart as you? Yep, you've got the system figured out.

[thecavemaster]

And a guy that is as smart as you? Yep, you've got the system figured out.

Hmm.. basing personal worth and success on the bottom line... why am I not surprised? John the Baptist ate locusts and wore camel hair and roamed the desert. Yet, he had the system figured out... and avoided it. You think like a pagan, Kimball. It's interesting.