[TheRealVille]

No, that's the problem, sometimes you dont think. Well I'll rephrase that and try to be more respectful. (Wish you could do the same).

I'll just say that apparently you may not be knowledgeable enough to understand all of the variables involved in things that you at times like to comment on.

No, you're the one that got here and said, and I quote,

Hey, your the one who likes to get on here and brag and brag and brag and brag, and brag, and brag, and then brag some more about everything you've got and how little you have had to work to get it.

Show me where I have made any such statement. That's where I said you were spreading lies.

[thecavemaster]

Probably because it's none of your business if I make one penny or loose two pennies. I have at times done both. It has nothing to do with the conversation to begin with.

Apples and oranges both come out of my pocket and anyone else who has the guts to try to do something on their own. Hey, your the one who likes to get on here and brag and brag and brag and brag, and brag, and brag, and then brag some more about everything you've got and how little you have had to work to get it.. If it wasn't for someone else who has had the guts to go out and create something for themselves, would you even have a pot to squat on? From reading your posts, it appears very doubtful. It has an appearance that you have an extreme jealously or major fear that someone may have just earned a little something more than you have in your lifetime, even though they may have mortaged everything they own, worked around the clock, and put at risk everything they have worked their entire life for. You appear to project the air that you just cant stand something like that and that you automaticly should have a part of it for doing nothing.

Let's be clear: hard work, even luck, or both, rewarded with financial blessing is not the issue...have at it. A person should not go broke on account of illness, nor should they die or suffer without necessity from inability to afford reasonable treatment. Much of the other stuff you bring in, Kimball, is sophistry and has no bearing, in essence, on those stated concerns.

[Hoot Gibson]

The marine obviously recognizes a socialist program when he sees one. It is extremely disappointing watching most of the free world moving away from socialism and toward economic freedom while the liberal idiots in Congress laugh at the suggestion that they should actually read the legislation on which they vote.

Even more disappointing is the number of Obama supporters who continue to defend these socialist robots. If our elected representatives are not smart enough to read and understand the bills on which they vote then they should vote no on every bill.

[thecavemaster]

The marine obviously recognizes a socialist program when he sees one. It is extremely disappointing watching most of the free world moving away from socialism and toward economic freedom while the liberal idiots in Congress laugh at the suggestion that they should actually read the legislation on which they vote.

Even more disappointing is the number of Obama supporters who continue to defend these socialist robots. If our elected representatives are not smart enough to read and understand the bills on which they vote then they should vote no on every bill.

Are you suggesting that the "rest of the world" is moving toward the kind of deregulation that characterizes the Reaganesque approach to economic freedom? Because they are not. Many teachers have aides who grade the tests, so and and so forth. Many Congressmen have staffers who read in entirety, then report back. It's too easy to "bark and growl" like you do, throw around terms like "sociallst robots." You can get a rabble rousing crowd that way, switching on radios and tv's to steam on couches and in cars, but, and I say it again, that's too easy.

[Hoot Gibson]

Are you suggesting that the "rest of the world" is moving toward the kind of deregulation that characterizes the Reaganesque approach to economic freedom? Because they are not. Many teachers have aides who grade the tests, so and and so forth. Many Congressmen have staffers who read in entirety, then report back. It's too easy to "bark and growl" like you do, throw around terms like "sociallst robots." You can get a rabble rousing crowd that way, switching on radios and tv's to steam on couches and in cars, but, and I say it again, that's too easy.

Wow! I am shocked that it took a couple of days for an Obama supporter to defend elected representatives refusing to read bills that they vocally support and for which they vote.

I never stated or implied that the "rest of the world" (nor did I use that specific phrase and your use of quotes for what constitutes paraphrasing is not appropriate), is adopting "Reaganesque" policies. What I did say was "most of the free world moving away from socialism and toward economic freedom" (emphasis added). The trend is a good one but western democracies have a long way to go to reach the standard that Reagan set. Feel free to quote me on that but please do quote me accurately. :dontthink

[Old School]

Are you suggesting that the "rest of the world" is moving toward the kind of deregulation that characterizes the Reaganesque approach to economic freedom? Because they are not. Many teachers have aides who grade the tests, so and and so forth. Many Congressmen have staffers who read in entirety, then report back. It's too easy to "bark and growl" like you do, throw around terms like "sociallst robots." You can get a rabble rousing crowd that way, switching on radios and tv's to steam on couches and in cars, but, and I say it again, that's too easy.

I'm not sure what the percentage is for you to consider it to be "many" but in our district few if any teachers have aides to help in the classroom let alone grade test. Mrs. Old School has been teaching for 18 years and has never had a aide, and futhermore no regular ed classes in her school have aides either.

You hit the nail on the head, congressmen don't read the bill's their staffers do. This administration campaigned on transparency and to have the bill's posted for somthing like 5 days for everyone to read. How many times has that happened so far? Sen. Bunning tried have the bill's posted for 72 hours, but Sen. Bacus said they didn't have the knowledge or the manpower to post the +1,000 page healthcare plan. IMO bill's should be read by the person who is voting on them, and I have no problem with staffers who are researching for the congressmen. How would you feel if your Doctor sent a nurse to receive training on new procedures and then report back to him. Would this be satisfactory to you....... I know, I know your going to say it's apples to oranges.

[thecavemaster]

I'm not sure what the percentage is for you to consider it to be "many" but in our district few if any teachers have aides to help in the classroom let alone grade test. Mrs. Old School has been teaching for 18 years and has never had a aide, and futhermore no regular ed classes in her school have aides either.

You hit the nail on the head, congressmen don't read the bill's their staffers do. This administration campaigned on transparency and to have the bill's posted for somthing like 5 days for everyone to read. How many times has that happened so far? Sen. Bunning tried have the bill's posted for 72 hours, but Sen. Bacus said they didn't have the knowledge or the manpower to post the +1,000 page healthcare plan. IMO bill's should be read by the person who is voting on them, and I have no problem with staffers who are researching for the congressmen. How would you feel if your Doctor sent a nurse to receive training on new procedures and then report back to him. Would this be satisfactory to you....... I know, I know your going to say it's apples to oranges.

The use of aides and teaching assistants to grade papers, read papers, etc. is common practice. To my knowledge, the legislative process has to do with the legislators. The Executive Branch can have transparency within their domain... but let's not compare apples to oranges (lol). If you are comparing reading a healthcare bill (read by people with much expertise in the area) to Nurse Ratchet being assigned to do my liver transplant, well, I don't see it.

[Squid]

I really like this Marine!!!

Do you like the Marine because you agree with him, or because he stood up for his position?

[Old School]

Do you like the Marine because you agree with him, or because he stood up for his position?

Both

[Squid]

Both

So, you would still like him, even if his politics were supportive of the public option in the health care reform debate?

[Old School]

So, you would still like him, even if his politics were supportive of the public option in the health care reform debate?

Why not?......Why would I dislike someone for not agreeing with my views?

Do you like or dislike this marine? Would you like him if he disagreed with your views?

[Squid]

Why not?......Why would I dislike someone for not agreeing with my views?

Do you like or dislike this marine? Would you like him if he disagreed with your views?

I am extremely grateful for the fact that he chose to serve our country as a Marine. I am grateful for every person that makes that decision, regardless of their political leanings.

As for his views, I am in complete disagreement with his positions, but that is okay. I don't know if I would actually like this particular Marine, if I knew him in person, but I'd definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. I would have the exact same attitude about a Marine that was a strong supporter of health care reform.

On the other hand, I don't find his service as a Marine as a compelling reason to value his opinion on health care any more than I would that of a bus driver or an accountant. There are plenty of current and former members of the armed services that see health care reform as a very necessary change that will benefit our country greatly. I see them as no less patriotic than this particular man. Do you?

[Old School]

I am extremely grateful for the fact that he chose to serve our country as a Marine. I am grateful for every person that makes that decision, regardless of their political leanings.

As for his views, I am in complete disagreement with his positions, but that is okay. I don't know if I would actually like this particular Marine, if I knew him in person, but I'd definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. I would have the exact same attitude about a Marine that was a strong supporter of health care reform.

On the other hand, I don't find his service as a Marine as a compelling reason to value his opinion on health care any more than I would that of a bus driver or an accountant. There are plenty of current and former members of the armed services that see health care reform as a very necessary change that will benefit our country greatly. I see them as no less patriotic than this particular man. Do you?

Your trying to make something out of nothing, if this man had been a shoe salesman, I would have said I like this shoe salesman.

[Squid]

Your trying to make something out of nothing, if this man had been a shoe salesman, I would have said I like this shoe salesman.

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything.

I'm simply trying to understand your reasoning for your position.

[congressman]

"A government big enough to give you everything you need.. is strong enough, to take everything you have."

We should all reflect upon those words.