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Afghanistan
105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce.

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others. Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
Only if liberal idiots are allowed to write the history books. Anyone with a higher IQ than a slug who slithered up on your porch knows it was a national disgrace.
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign?

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
(08-29-2021, 05:28 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
Dr Quooter Trump was the worst president in at least modern history if not all of history. The results and numbers don't lie. As far as Israeli we will take care of them we have always. Now as far as Netanyahu didn't he backstabbed Obama when he spoke to Congress without asking Obama ? And if I am not mistaken in the 2012 President election didn't Romney, Netanyahu, and other people especially right wing media said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 12 months ?
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(08-29-2021, 09:27 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 05:28 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 09:24 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 105,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan, which is an active war zone with terrorists waiting to ounce. 

Those 13 service members need honored for sacrificing their lives for the lives of others.  Not to mention those who are giving all they can.

However, History will look back at this withdrawal and evacuation as more of a success than the conservatives are wailing about.
American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
Dr Quooter Trump was the worst president in at least modern history if not all of history. The results and numbers don't lie. As far as Israeli we will take care of them we have always. Now as far as Netanyahu didn't he backstabbed Obama when he spoke to Congress without asking Obama ? And if I am not mistaken in the 2012 President election didn't Romney, Netanyahu, and other people especially right wing media said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 12 months ?
You keep saying the "results and numbers don't lie," but you do lie. I know you want to blame Trump for the pandemic and all of the COVID-19 deaths that was almost certainly the result of either a deliberate biological attack or a lab accident in China but only idiots believe that is true. And to make your argument, you must blame Trump for the pandemic because all of the results and numbers prior to the pandemic were very solid. You just throw out one big lie after another. Surely, you must understand how shallow that makes you look.
(08-30-2021, 10:58 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 09:27 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 05:28 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
Dr Quooter Trump was the worst president in at least modern history if not all of history. The results and numbers don't lie. As far as Israeli we will take care of them we have always. Now as far as Netanyahu didn't he backstabbed Obama when he spoke to Congress without asking Obama ? And if I am not mistaken in the 2012 President election didn't Romney, Netanyahu, and other people especially right wing media said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 12 months ?
You keep saying the "results and numbers don't lie," but you do lie. I know you want to blame Trump for the pandemic and all of the COVID-19 deaths that was almost certainly the result of either a deliberate biological attack or a lab accident in China but only idiots believe that is true. And to make your argument, you must blame Trump for the pandemic because all of the results and numbers prior to the pandemic were very solid. You just throw out one big lie after another...Surely you must understand how shallow that makes you look.
The first step to ceasing to be an idiot is realizing you are a idiot. The village idiots realize nothing at all so they are stuck in the vicious cycle of idiocy forever...
(08-30-2021, 10:58 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 09:27 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 05:28 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-28-2021, 10:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: American history will judge the success of the withdrawal by the number of Americans who lose their lives and are victims of violence at the hands of the Taliban as the direct result of Joe Biden's incompetence. Thousands of the people who have been evacuated are Afghan citizens who have not been properly vetted. Thousands of Afghans who earned evacuation through their service to American forces will be left behind.

The Taliban is not likely to show much mercy to Afghans that are left behind who are on the kill list that the Biden administration provided to them.
American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
Dr Quooter Trump was the worst president in at least modern history if not all of history. The results and numbers don't lie. As far as Israeli we will take care of them we have always. Now as far as Netanyahu didn't he backstabbed Obama when he spoke to Congress without asking Obama ? And if I am not mistaken in the 2012 President election didn't Romney, Netanyahu, and other people especially right wing media said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 12 months ?
You keep saying the "results and numbers don't lie," but you do lie. I know you want to blame Trump for the pandemic and all of the COVID-19 deaths that was almost certainly the result of either a deliberate biological attack or a lab accident in China but only idiots believe that is true. And to make your argument, you must blame Trump for the pandemic because all of the results and numbers prior to the pandemic were very solid. You just throw out one big lie after another. Surely, you must understand how shallow that makes you look.
And once again Dr Quooter don't blame Trump for the virus IT'S HOW HE HANDLE THE VIRUS. And the results and numbers don't lie. Just look at Trump Country today they are ravage by the virus after Trump has told them nothing to worry about for months. Then the other day Trump in one of his brainwashing rally's told them to get the vaccine what did they do ? They booed him he can't stop it now. Worst President in modern history the results and numbers don't lie.

(08-30-2021, 11:36 PM)jetpilot Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 10:58 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 09:27 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 05:28 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-29-2021, 01:08 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: American history will judge your tangerine dream as the worst President in history.  I hope you will be able to comprehend, Hooter. 

105,000 in an active war zone with several active terrorist organizations…you need to eat crow on this one.   Especially since you and your ilk don’t care about the 600k Americans dead from Covid.

Also… what kind of noob believes a President who encounters a loss of American life should resign? 

Lincoln?
Wilson?
FDR?
Kennedy?
Reagan?
W?
Trump?

When one American dies then the President should resign ?
When one American proves himself totally incompetent and incapable of performing the duties of a president, then he should resign. You are lying every time that you claim Trump was the worst president in U.S. history. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe that after seeing 7 months of Joe Biden's presidency.

Have you watched video of his meeting with the new Israeli Prime Minister? It was the most disrespectful display since Obama forced Netanyahu to enter the White House through a back door. Biden shuffled papers, avoided eye contact, and appeared to fall asleep at one point during the meeting. Biden projects American weakness every time that he appears on camera.
Dr Quooter Trump was the worst president in at least modern history if not all of history. The results and numbers don't lie. As far as Israeli we will take care of them we have always. Now as far as Netanyahu didn't he backstabbed Obama when he spoke to Congress without asking Obama ? And if I am not mistaken in the 2012 President election didn't Romney, Netanyahu, and other people especially right wing media said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 12 months ?
You keep saying the "results and numbers don't lie," but you do lie. I know you want to blame Trump for the pandemic and all of the COVID-19 deaths that was almost certainly the result of either a deliberate biological attack or a lab accident in China but only idiots believe that is true. And to make your argument, you must blame Trump for the pandemic because all of the results and numbers prior to the pandemic were very solid. You just throw out one big lie after another...Surely you must understand how shallow that makes you look.
The first step to ceasing to be an idiot is realizing you are a idiot. The village idiots realize nothing at all so they are stuck in the vicious cycle of idiocy forever...
Jet i would recommend you to take your own advice
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
(08-31-2021, 04:13 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
(08-31-2021, 05:03 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 04:13 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
(08-31-2021, 06:51 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 05:03 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 04:13 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
It's a jobs program anymore
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(08-31-2021, 08:08 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 06:51 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 05:03 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 04:13 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
It's a jobs program anymore
Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.

Quote:Pentagon acknowledges Americans 'stranded' in Afghanistan despite Jen Psaki claiming term was 'irresponsible'
(09-01-2021, 09:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 08:08 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 06:51 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 05:03 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 04:13 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...g-hand-his

Since the collapse of the U.S.-backed government of Afghanistan, the takeover of the country by the Taliban, and the ISIS-K attack that killed 13 American servicemen and women and 170 Afghans at Kabul airport, critics have blasted President Biden. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) tied the “sickening and enraging deaths” to “the predictably chaotic wake of the president’s decision to withdraw” troops from the country. Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, declared that Biden has “blood on his hands.” Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for his resignation or impeachment.

The president’s critics have been less forthcoming about the losing hand — and lack of viable options — his three predecessors dealt him.

The United States toppled the Taliban after Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure that Afghanistan no longer harbored Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group. In the ensuing two decades, under presidents Bush and Obama, America’s attention shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq; the goals in Afghanistan became less clear, and seemed to include “nation-building” (i.e. establishing democratic institutions, protecting and promoting education for girls and opportunities for women). The Afghan governments under Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani became hopelessly corrupt: as much as 40 percent of Department of Defense contracts — billions of dollars — ended up in the hands of criminal syndicates and government officials, and a significant percentage of Afghan military units existed only on paper, with commanders pocketing money allocated to salaries, uniforms, and weapons.

This was hardly a recipe for attracting the loyalty of the people of Afghanistan or building an effective fighting force.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban struck a deal (without the participation of Ashraf Ghani’s government in the negotiations): U.S. forces would withdraw from the country in 14 months in exchange for a Taliban guarantee that terrorists would not use the country as a base of operations. The agreement was silent on matters of human rights. Taliban fighters “will be killing terrorists,” President Trump asserted. “They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going.” U.S. officials hoped the deal would lead to a coalition-government, but even when it didn’t, Trump reduced the number of American troops in Afghanistan from 12,000 to 2,500 before he left office.

In April 2021, President Biden declared it was “time to end the forever war,” vetoed the recommendations of military advisers to keep a small force in the country, and announced the withdrawal of the remaining U.S. troops by Sept. 11. “I have never been of the view that we should be sacrificing American lives to try to establish a democratic government in Afghanistan,” he said.

A compelling case has not been made that 2,500 American troops (and the capability to launch air strikes) would have deterred the Taliban from seizing control of a large country with 39 million people.

Nor is it at all clear, as some have claimed, that the United States could have planned and executed (even with the deployment of thousands more military personnel) an expedited, orderly, and safe evacuation of all American citizens and Afghan nationals from multiple departure points around the country — especially since doing so in the spring and early summer of 2021 would have undermined the Ghani regime (before it was certain how effective it might be in defending Kabul and provincial capitals). It likely would have been met with violence from the Taliban as well as ISIS-K and would have encouraged millions of Afghans to head to those departure points.

Given the ubiquity of images of mayhem and carnage at the airport and condemnation of Biden on virtually all media and social media outlets, it is not surprising that less than one-third of Americans currently support his handling of Afghanistan. That said, if history is a guide, the political damage to Biden may not last. In 1975, for example, following the disastrous evacuation of Saigon, President Gerald Ford’s approval actually ticked up. A few months later, a significant majority of Americans credited getting the United States out of Vietnam as Ford’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s worth noting that more than 60 percent of Americans approved of Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. That percentage is not likely to go down. And it is possible, it seems to me, that as time passes, a majority of Americans may conclude that despite the grievous loss of 13 American lives, ending America’s longest war, completing the largest non-combatant evacuation in U.S. history in so short a time, and under such dangerous conditions, is evidence of competence and compassion.
The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
It's a jobs program anymore
Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
General/Dr Quooter here is President Biden proposed budget looks like a lot of money to me

Biden requests $715B for Pentagon, hinting at administration’s future priorities (defensenews.com)

(09-01-2021, 09:55 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.

Quote:Pentagon acknowledges Americans 'stranded' in Afghanistan despite Jen Psaki claiming term was 'irresponsible'
Dr/General Quooter FOX NEWS the only so called fair and balance news network. 




Never before has this happened
Most of Biden's prominent security experts/supporters have clammed up and are hiding from the media. That is probably a good career move for them after the Biden-created disaster that was the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Quote:After Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal, Pro-Biden National Security Experts Conspicuously Quiet

In the aftermath of any botched U.S. military operation, what inevitably follows are numerous news cycles of noisy recriminations across Washington’s national security and foreign policy establishment. Republican lawmakers and some conservative military and diplomatic hands have blasted President Biden as the Afghanistan withdrawal spiraled out of control over the last two weeks, but there have been glaring exceptions.

Conspicuously absent from the after-action finger-pointing are nearly all of the 500 national security experts — both civilians and former senior uniformed officers — who endorsed Joe Biden for president last fall, while denouncing President Trump as an unfit commander-in-chief.

A website set up to promote the Biden endorsement, nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com, is now defunct while the group’s Twitter account hasn’t been tweeted from for more than nearly three months. As of Wednesday morning, the last two tweets, from early June and mid-May, were focused on climate change. From those who openly backed Biden for president, only Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary and CIA director under President Obama, has criticized Biden’s handling of the withdrawal. Late last week, Panetta predicted that the U.S. would have to eventually send troops back into the country to confront a re-established al-Qaeda and ISIS threat there.

Over the least two days, RealClearPolitics reached out to more than two dozen of the highest-ranking military and civilian leaders on the list of nearly 500 of those publicly backing Biden in September of last year. Only a handful responded.

John Negroponte, who served as the first director of national intelligence during the George W. Bush administration and previously as its ambassador to Iraq, was one of just two contacted by RCP who came forward to stand by their endorsement of Biden. The rest either did not respond to the inquiries or said they were too busy to weigh in, including Michele Flournoy, who served as undersecretary of defense in the administrations of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
(09-01-2021, 10:26 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Most of Biden's prominent security experts/supporters have clammed up and are hiding from the media. That is probably a good career move for them after the Biden-created disaster that was the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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After Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal, Pro-Biden National Security Experts Conspicuously Quiet

In the aftermath of any botched U.S. military operation, what inevitably follows are numerous news cycles of noisy recriminations across Washington’s national security and foreign policy establishment. Republican lawmakers and some conservative military and diplomatic hands have blasted President Biden as the Afghanistan withdrawal spiraled out of control over the last two weeks, but there have been glaring exceptions.

Conspicuously absent from the after-action finger-pointing are nearly all of the 500 national security experts — both civilians and former senior uniformed officers — who endorsed Joe Biden for president last fall, while denouncing President Trump as an unfit commander-in-chief.

A website set up to promote the Biden endorsement, nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com, is now defunct while the group’s Twitter account hasn’t been tweeted from for more than nearly three months. As of Wednesday morning, the last two tweets, from early June and mid-May, were focused on climate change. From those who openly backed Biden for president, only Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary and CIA director under President Obama, has criticized Biden’s handling of the withdrawal. Late last week, Panetta predicted that the U.S. would have to eventually send troops back into the country to confront a re-established al-Qaeda and ISIS threat there.

Over the least two days, RealClearPolitics reached out to more than two dozen of the highest-ranking military and civilian leaders on the list of nearly 500 of those publicly backing Biden in September of last year. Only a handful responded.

John Negroponte, who served as the first director of national intelligence during the George W. Bush administration and previously as its ambassador to Iraq, was one of just two contacted by RCP who came forward to stand by their endorsement of Biden. The rest either did not respond to the inquiries or said they were too busy to weigh in, including Michele Flournoy, who served as undersecretary of defense in the administrations of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
[url=https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/01/bidens_generals_diplomats_now_quiet_on_afghanistan_146336.html]
General/Dr Quooter better get used to President Biden 7 and a half years to go.
(09-01-2021, 10:16 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 09:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 08:08 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 06:51 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 05:03 PM)vector#1 Wrote: The I guess you can call them republicans are going to cry about something that's all they got they have no more ideas. The defense money needs a thorough going over to waste $2.26 trillion dollars is a crime in my opinion we sure could used that money on our own roads and bridges. BUT if the Afghan Military could of just held up for 30 days would of been a better outcome.
I can remember on here these same 3 Hoopleheads took up for Bush Jr all the way to the end for going to Iraq even to this day after Jr. said there was NO WMD'S TRT still claims they are.
Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
It's a jobs program anymore
Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
General/Dr Quooter here is President Biden proposed budget looks like a lot of money to me

Biden requests $715B for Pentagon, hinting at administration’s future priorities (defensenews.com)

(09-01-2021, 09:55 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.

Quote:Pentagon acknowledges Americans 'stranded' in Afghanistan despite Jen Psaki claiming term was 'irresponsible'
Dr/General Quooter FOX NEWS the only so called fair and balance news network. 




Never before has this happened
After adjusting for inflation, the TRUTH is that Biden cut the military's budget. Besides, the amount of spending under an incompetent president is no measure of his competence. Somebody is paying for those sex-change procedures of new military service members.

I receive many email messages from the Pentagon, so I know first hand the difference of the military's focus under the Trump administration and under the Obama and Biden administrations. Democrats use the military as a captive audience for their radical social agenda.
(09-01-2021, 10:36 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:16 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 09:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 08:08 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 06:51 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Eisenhower warned of the powers that be would continue wars to maintain the defense industry.  Lots of greased pockets to help make bad decisions.
It's a jobs program anymore
Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
General/Dr Quooter here is President Biden proposed budget looks like a lot of money to me

Biden requests $715B for Pentagon, hinting at administration’s future priorities (defensenews.com)

(09-01-2021, 09:55 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.

Quote:Pentagon acknowledges Americans 'stranded' in Afghanistan despite Jen Psaki claiming term was 'irresponsible'
Dr/General Quooter FOX NEWS the only so called fair and balance news network. 




Never before has this happened
After adjusting for inflation, the TRUTH is that Biden cut the military's budget. Besides, the amount of spending under an incompetent president is no measure of his competence. Somebody is paying for those sex-change procedures of new military service members.

I receive many email messages from the Pentagon, so I know first hand the difference of the military's focus under the Trump administration and under the Obama and Biden administrations. Democrats use the military as a captive audience for their radical social agenda.
Dr/General Quooter i would say the emails you receive would be to empty their trash cans. Now after wasting $2.26 trillion dollars i hope somebody starts looking at the waste in the military. Now after Trump took money from the military to attempt building his wall i would say President Biden is giving them more money
(09-01-2021, 10:41 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:36 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:16 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 09:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(08-31-2021, 08:08 PM)vector#1 Wrote: It's a jobs program anymore
Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
General/Dr Quooter here is President Biden proposed budget looks like a lot of money to me

Biden requests $715B for Pentagon, hinting at administration’s future priorities (defensenews.com)

(09-01-2021, 09:55 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.

Quote:Pentagon acknowledges Americans 'stranded' in Afghanistan despite Jen Psaki claiming term was 'irresponsible'
Dr/General Quooter FOX NEWS the only so called fair and balance news network. 




Never before has this happened
After adjusting for inflation, the TRUTH is that Biden cut the military's budget. Besides, the amount of spending under an incompetent president is no measure of his competence. Somebody is paying for those sex-change procedures of new military service members.

I receive many email messages from the Pentagon, so I know first hand the difference of the military's focus under the Trump administration and under the Obama and Biden administrations. Democrats use the military as a captive audience for their radical social agenda.
Dr/General Quooter i would say the emails you receive would be to empty their trash cans. Now after wasting $2.26 trillion dollars i hope somebody starts looking at the waste in the military. Now after Trump took money from the military to attempt building his wall i would say President Biden is giving them more money
You are truly an idiot. The military sends out mass email messages to everybody who has a military email account. You are a bottomless well of misinformation and lies.
(09-01-2021, 10:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:41 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:36 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 10:16 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 09:46 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Under Democrat control, our military becomes a social engineering workshop. Carter, Obama, and Biden all attacked our military like a wrecking ball to a building. Republican presidents have to clean up the mess each time Americans allow a Democrat in the White House.
General/Dr Quooter here is President Biden proposed budget looks like a lot of money to me

Biden requests $715B for Pentagon, hinting at administration’s future priorities (defensenews.com)

(09-01-2021, 09:55 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Another example of our military acknowledging the truth about the Biden administration. Biden broke his promise to bring every American citizen home from Afghanistan.
Dr/General Quooter FOX NEWS the only so called fair and balance news network. 




Never before has this happened
After adjusting for inflation, the TRUTH is that Biden cut the military's budget. Besides, the amount of spending under an incompetent president is no measure of his competence. Somebody is paying for those sex-change procedures of new military service members.

I receive many email messages from the Pentagon, so I know first hand the difference of the military's focus under the Trump administration and under the Obama and Biden administrations. Democrats use the military as a captive audience for their radical social agenda.
Dr/General Quooter i would say the emails you receive would be to empty their trash cans. Now after wasting $2.26 trillion dollars i hope somebody starts looking at the waste in the military. Now after Trump took money from the military to attempt building his wall i would say President Biden is giving them more money
You are truly an idiot. The military sends out mass email messages to everybody who has a military email account. You are a bottomless well of misinformation and lies.
Dr/General/Economist Quooter so the janitors don't have email accounts ?
Quote:Mother of soldier killed in Kabul puts blame on Biden: ‘You trusted the enemy’
Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss is remembered by his mother Paula as passionate, dedicated soldier

Paula Knauss, mother of fallen Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss, is pointing fingers at the Biden administration for the death of her son during America’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The grieving mother stressed holding who’s at fault accountable on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday, starting with President Biden for trusting the enemy instead of putting the best interest of U.S. troops, Afghan allies and all Americans first.

"The president of the United States has the ability to help our troops, have enough men and women to stay safe," she said. "In all of our history, in all of the time that we have been fighting, where did you leave these men and women but at one airport, one location, one gate to funnel thousands through? And who did you trust? You trusted our enemy to allow who would come through."

"What does anyone in this great nation think when they think what would happen? No one has to have a military background to know that that was not going to go down well."

Sgt. Knauss warned his mother after he had volunteered to join the mission that the situation at Kabul Airport was bound to be a mess. He reassured her that he’d be in and out "in no time" but Paula Knauss instead picked up the call every mother dreads – a call she believes could’ve been prevented.

"There should have been a better way of helping our armed branches get those people who are American out safely, and still lose no man or woman in uniform or in Afghanistan," she said. "It should never have happened the way it did. Who is accountable for this? Who will stand up and say that they will be accountable for the death of 13 young men and women?"

Knauss remembered her son as a loving husband and passionate soldier who was always first in line and willing to lay down his life for America. Ryan Knauss served for five years and was decorated with multiple honors such as the Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
(09-01-2021, 11:41 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
Quote:Mother of soldier killed in Kabul puts blame on Biden: ‘You trusted the enemy’
Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss is remembered by his mother Paula as passionate, dedicated soldier

Paula Knauss, mother of fallen Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss, is pointing fingers at the Biden administration for the death of her son during America’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The grieving mother stressed holding who’s at fault accountable on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday, starting with President Biden for trusting the enemy instead of putting the best interest of U.S. troops, Afghan allies and all Americans first.

"The president of the United States has the ability to help our troops, have enough men and women to stay safe," she said. "In all of our history, in all of the time that we have been fighting, where did you leave these men and women but at one airport, one location, one gate to funnel thousands through? And who did you trust? You trusted our enemy to allow who would come through."

"What does anyone in this great nation think when they think what would happen? No one has to have a military background to know that that was not going to go down well."

Sgt. Knauss warned his mother after he had volunteered to join the mission that the situation at Kabul Airport was bound to be a mess. He reassured her that he’d be in and out "in no time" but Paula Knauss instead picked up the call every mother dreads – a call she believes could’ve been prevented.

"There should have been a better way of helping our armed branches get those people who are American out safely, and still lose no man or woman in uniform or in Afghanistan," she said. "It should never have happened the way it did. Who is accountable for this? Who will stand up and say that they will be accountable for the death of 13 young men and women?"

Knauss remembered her son as a loving husband and passionate soldier who was always first in line and willing to lay down his life for America. Ryan Knauss served for five years and was decorated with multiple honors such as the Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
Laura Ingraham Hell fire

(09-01-2021, 11:57 AM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 11:41 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
Quote:Mother of soldier killed in Kabul puts blame on Biden: ‘You trusted the enemy’
Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss is remembered by his mother Paula as passionate, dedicated soldier

Paula Knauss, mother of fallen Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss, is pointing fingers at the Biden administration for the death of her son during America’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The grieving mother stressed holding who’s at fault accountable on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday, starting with President Biden for trusting the enemy instead of putting the best interest of U.S. troops, Afghan allies and all Americans first.

"The president of the United States has the ability to help our troops, have enough men and women to stay safe," she said. "In all of our history, in all of the time that we have been fighting, where did you leave these men and women but at one airport, one location, one gate to funnel thousands through? And who did you trust? You trusted our enemy to allow who would come through."

"What does anyone in this great nation think when they think what would happen? No one has to have a military background to know that that was not going to go down well."

Sgt. Knauss warned his mother after he had volunteered to join the mission that the situation at Kabul Airport was bound to be a mess. He reassured her that he’d be in and out "in no time" but Paula Knauss instead picked up the call every mother dreads – a call she believes could’ve been prevented.

"There should have been a better way of helping our armed branches get those people who are American out safely, and still lose no man or woman in uniform or in Afghanistan," she said. "It should never have happened the way it did. Who is accountable for this? Who will stand up and say that they will be accountable for the death of 13 young men and women?"

Knauss remembered her son as a loving husband and passionate soldier who was always first in line and willing to lay down his life for America. Ryan Knauss served for five years and was decorated with multiple honors such as the Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
Laura Ingraham Hell fire

Of course, what the surviving mother of one of Biden's victims says is not important because she was interviewed by a conservative. What a dumbasss you are. You can't go much lower than supporting the actions that led directly to the deaths of 13 brave U.S. service members.
(09-01-2021, 11:41 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
Quote:Mother of soldier killed in Kabul puts blame on Biden: ‘You trusted the enemy’
Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss is remembered by his mother Paula as passionate, dedicated soldier

Paula Knauss, mother of fallen Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss, is pointing fingers at the Biden administration for the death of her son during America’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The grieving mother stressed holding who’s at fault accountable on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday, starting with President Biden for trusting the enemy instead of putting the best interest of U.S. troops, Afghan allies and all Americans first.

"The president of the United States has the ability to help our troops, have enough men and women to stay safe," she said. "In all of our history, in all of the time that we have been fighting, where did you leave these men and women but at one airport, one location, one gate to funnel thousands through? And who did you trust? You trusted our enemy to allow who would come through."

"What does anyone in this great nation think when they think what would happen? No one has to have a military background to know that that was not going to go down well."

Sgt. Knauss warned his mother after he had volunteered to join the mission that the situation at Kabul Airport was bound to be a mess. He reassured her that he’d be in and out "in no time" but Paula Knauss instead picked up the call every mother dreads – a call she believes could’ve been prevented.

"There should have been a better way of helping our armed branches get those people who are American out safely, and still lose no man or woman in uniform or in Afghanistan," she said. "It should never have happened the way it did. Who is accountable for this? Who will stand up and say that they will be accountable for the death of 13 young men and women?"

Knauss remembered her son as a loving husband and passionate soldier who was always first in line and willing to lay down his life for America. Ryan Knauss served for five years and was decorated with multiple honors such as the Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
Didn't Biden say he is accountable? 

It's awful what this woman is experiencing.  Also awful how conservative media and political hacks are using her pain to score cheap political points.  

We lost thousands of troops and Afghanistan and most of these bloodsuckers didn't blink until they could be used to attack the very man who had the kahones to get us out so we would not lose anymore.
(09-01-2021, 12:44 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-01-2021, 11:41 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
Quote:Mother of soldier killed in Kabul puts blame on Biden: ‘You trusted the enemy’
Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss is remembered by his mother Paula as passionate, dedicated soldier

Paula Knauss, mother of fallen Army Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss, is pointing fingers at the Biden administration for the death of her son during America’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The grieving mother stressed holding who’s at fault accountable on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday, starting with President Biden for trusting the enemy instead of putting the best interest of U.S. troops, Afghan allies and all Americans first.

"The president of the United States has the ability to help our troops, have enough men and women to stay safe," she said. "In all of our history, in all of the time that we have been fighting, where did you leave these men and women but at one airport, one location, one gate to funnel thousands through? And who did you trust? You trusted our enemy to allow who would come through."

"What does anyone in this great nation think when they think what would happen? No one has to have a military background to know that that was not going to go down well."

Sgt. Knauss warned his mother after he had volunteered to join the mission that the situation at Kabul Airport was bound to be a mess. He reassured her that he’d be in and out "in no time" but Paula Knauss instead picked up the call every mother dreads – a call she believes could’ve been prevented.

"There should have been a better way of helping our armed branches get those people who are American out safely, and still lose no man or woman in uniform or in Afghanistan," she said. "It should never have happened the way it did. Who is accountable for this? Who will stand up and say that they will be accountable for the death of 13 young men and women?"

Knauss remembered her son as a loving husband and passionate soldier who was always first in line and willing to lay down his life for America. Ryan Knauss served for five years and was decorated with multiple honors such as the Purple Heart and Bronze Star.
Didn't Biden say he is accountable? 

It's awful what this woman is experiencing.  Also awful how conservative media and political hacks are using her pain to score cheap political points.  

We lost thousands of troops and Afghanistan and most of these bloodsuckers didn't blink until they could be used to attack the very man who had the kahones to get us out so we would not lose anymore.
Biden: "I take full responsibility for what happened but here's the deal: it was Trump's fault and it was the military's recommendation." - or words to that effect. It is like "apologizing" if anybody was offended by his actions, as opposed to apologizing for those actions.

The point is not that 13 lives of U.S. service members were lost. The point is that Biden's incompetence directly led to the loss of those lives and the deaths could have been prevented.
^Grasping at straws. This and the other village idiots' posts are nothing but attempts at distractions from Biden's criminally negligent performance as Commander-in-Chief. Biden's lack of leadership is indefensible, so the village idiots have nothing left to offer but distractions.
The big news here is that 60 percent of Democrats do not believe that Biden should resign because of the way the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan was handled.

There is a point that neither positively biased news coverage nor unlimited campaign funds can elect a really bad political candidate. Biden has passed the tipping point and become unelectable. Election rigging will be his only chance to win reelection in 2024, regardless of who wins the Republican nomination.

Quote:Poll: Majority of Voters Say Joe Biden Should Resign over Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal
A majority of voters believe President Biden should resign over his administration’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, a Rasmussen Reports survey released Wednesday found.

The survey asked respondents, “Should President Joe Biden resign because of the way the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan was handled?”

Overall, a majority, or 52 percent, said “yes,” Biden should resign, while 39 percent said he should not. Opinions over Biden resigning are sharply divided along party lines, as three-quarters of Republicans say he should — a sentiment held by nearly one-third of Democrats, 32 percent, and a plurality of independents, 48 percent.
Sixty percent of Democrats, however, say Biden should not resign.

Respondents were also asked to indicate if they agreed with the following statement: “I think Joe Biden deserves to be  impeached because he’s abandoned thousands of Afghans who fought with us and  he’s going to abandon some American citizens because he capitulated to the Taliban to a 31 August deadline.”
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