[jetpilot]

Probably not. The people who I work for have some high standards. They might let you take out the trash.

Haha it's gub-ment. Still, taking the trash out for the gub-ment is a great gig, high pay and no work...which is why gub-ment is $20 TRILLION in debt and screws up everything it touches (and has a zillion useless turds on the payroll).:flush:

[Hoot Gibson]

Haha it's gub-ment. Still, taking the trash out for the gub-ment is a great gig, high pay and no work...which is why gub-ment is $20 TRILLION in debt and screws up everything it touches (and has a zillion useless turds on the payroll).:flush:

I am a small government Republican. If you think you are insulting me by insulting all the deadbeats that have cushy jobs working for the federal government, you are mistaken.

If you believe that Trump's promise of eliminating "waste, fraud, and abuse" to balance the budget in 8 years is a real plan, they you are delusional. Candidates who have no plan to downsize the federal government have been using that "waste, fraud, and abuse" dodge at least since Jimmy Carter ran for office. Trump is one of the big government liberals in the race.

[WideRight05]

Perhaps one day before I die, I will be able to speak as eloquently as you, Hoot and WideRight. I can think of things, but cannot relate it in the written word.

We have no one but ourselves to blame for Trump and his political position of today. The last 8 years have been unbelievable, and Americans have sat back on their laurels and done nothing to prevent the chaos that is present day politics. The middle class has had its' back broken working to support the agendas of the upper class and/or politicians and the agendas of most of the lower class who refuse to work. And why SHOULD they work? They are rewarded with everything from free healthcare to real time support and all for doing nothing. It's beyond shameful!!!

You want to know why the candidate Donald Trump is so popular with all of his faults and issues??? Hmmmm....where can I begin? How about a $2M beer summit? That may or may not be an accurate sum, but I will accept it. After all, when the budge deficit is a few thousand trillion, what's another couple of million? Chicken feed. We can go on to allowing Obama and his administration to decimate our military, and end with Hillary watching as the Benghazi tragedy unfolds before her lying eyes. Oh, and she doesn't worry at all about being caught up in her lies...she blames a preacher making a video in Florida!!!! Yes..most of us have forgotten about THAT excuse, but I never will. And she gets away with it! SHE GETS AWAY WITH IT!!! Just exactly like she will get away with the email server controversy. She lies, she waits, she distracts, she gets away with it.

So you have a buffoon like Trump enter this race. He is plain spoken and isn't monetarily indebted to anyone. He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but compare him to other "accepted" candidates, he's a genius. Rubio and Cruz jumped on his bandwagon, BUT Trump was the only candidate with the balls to say the things first that we were all thinking. He slashed the "sanctuary cities", then Cruz slashed them; he ridiculed the border crossings, then Rubio ridiculed them. And wonder of wonders, he is still fighting.

The media can do nothing but try and undermine him from his character to anything else they can find. This may be the first time in recent history that the Democratic National Party and the Republican National Party agree on ANYTHING. They must stop him...but how?? Nobody is funding him!! So the bottom line is, the RNP will do anything it can to keep him from getting the nomination. To hell with what the public wants or votes for...Evidently the voters don't have enough sense to vote anymore.

So, bottom line...why bother? The good ole boys' club is going to manipulate, strangulate and get elected just whomever they want.

It's not that I'm a big Trump supporter, but he sure has got a lot of people thinking.

Personally, if I was younger, I would be thinking about moving to Texas or Idaho or any other state that was considering succeeding from the USA. For the first time in my lifetime, I am ashamed of where this country is going.

Granny, I totally meant to respond to this sooner. To be mentioned in the same sentence as TRT and Hoot in articulation, what an honor. I don't think I come close to either one. But they are certainly who I strive to be when I make political posts. I know they don't like each other very much right now, but I sure like and respect the heck out of both of them!

[WideRight05]

Well actually Wide, other than arguable details I don't see where Trump has been inconsistent in his stance on abortion. He says he is against it, and past that, there walks no man who can be much more specific when an interventional and morally unhinged federal government currently makes all the rules to that end. One would expect that the eventual Republican nominee would enjoy relative cooperation with the Republican held upper and lower houses of Congress; And yet, we'd be plowing new ground here, and further, the left would be howling like werewolves. It would not be easy, but I feel Trump has the chin for it.

But as to the deal with Cruz being the devil, I don't see that either. Cruz is a good candidate but he is not always truthful. Take the whiner tag that #NeverTrump, media and political, have tried to hang on Trump. Pointing out shenanigans is not whining. Only last August the Republican elites out in Colorado ended voter participation for this primary season. Why is anybody's guess but, I know what I think and the voters in Colorado who were unaware they had been disenfranchised as the result are livid. Cruz who hangs his hat on being a constitutionalist should oppose such in my mind, but he has used the events in Colorado in which he masterfully aced Trump, as a vehicle to mock and berate him. Now, we're talking about a guy in whom the voter has bested Cruz by very nearly 2 million votes here. So, all of those who voted for Trump are incensed about it and very rightfully so.

Those who have ventured a defense of Mr Trump are not Cruz haters or Cruz opponents. When one stoops to scrape up mud to sling with one hand while flashing a white glove on the other, he is still a mud slinger. That's my problem with all of this. Most of the Trump bashing comes from the very ones who are under threat from his policies, and that certainly includes the establishment and those who have been riding for decades on the tax payer gravy train.

Relating to your first paragraph, I do agree that he has been consistent for the most part when it comes to his abortion position. He is pro-life with the exception of rape and incest. That hasn’t been my main issue with him on this with the exception of how he backed off of his statement that women who have an abortion should be punished.

Watch how Donald Trump masterfully defends his immigration policies. There is an interview with Katy Tur on YouTube (about 30 minutes long) in which she presses him on immigration and ends up getting torn up. When asked about immigration, he doesn’t always give a response in the fashion he tore up Katy Tur, but you can tell he is set on his view and that he is fully confident with himself in that area. Trump has certainly made some “controversial” or “bigoted” statements that the media would have loved nothing more than to see him retract. He stood strong by his statements and did not budge. He did not do the same thing relating to abortion.

That same confidence, pose, and toughness does not come out when it comes to talking about abortion. Oftentimes Trump will just claim that he’s pro-life, and he often will not provide much of a defense on his abortion views. He rarely brings the issue up at his rallies. It’s mostly about immigration or the economy.

It’s not that I don’t believe Donald Trump, TRT. I can’t tell what he actually thinks, but am leery of the situation because of the Governor in WV that ran as pro-life and then betrayed his voting base while in office. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt here though, but I just don’t see where he’s really going to make a major impact on that issue. It seems to be an issue more on the backburner, one that he would give up when selecting a judge compared to an issue that is more important to him.

Donald Trump is very, very smart and also sharp in quick thinking situations. He had to know about those rules in Colorado and whichever Dakota state it was. I’m surprised he didn’t go speak at the convention. I really think he would have picked up some delegates had he done that, especially in Colorado. I can’t help but wonder if there is some kind of method here that he is using to make this backfire on Cruz.

The bottom line is, the situation with the voting mentioned above is a lose-lose for this election. Cruz or Trump, whichever one won those states, would have happily taken the delegates with the one who lost grumbling about the situation. Combine that with the first/second ballot process at the nomination, I just think this whole thing is going to turn into a disaster with the two bases divided. I don’t see either one being able to reconcile that difference in time for the November elections.

This is why I mentioned that I see this outcome being disasterous no matter who wins. Sad to say, there is now a good chance we may be under a third term of “democratic socialism” very soon.

Lastly, concerning the comment I made about Cruz being the devil again. I’m not quite abroad on the never Trump movement. But when it comes to the Trump supporters bashing Cruz to no end, I’m not talking about so much on here, but moreso on other social media outlets. Facebook, Twitter, and others. I follow Donald Trump. There is an occasional smart-mouth comment from a Cruz supporter, but for the most part there isn’t a whole lot. Cruz’s page is filled with snark attacks that he’s establishment and other things that Donald Trump has said.

Relating to the media and political never Trump movement, I agree that the media, the liberal sources, are biased against both Trump and Cruz. This is the worst possible scenario for them. I can agree that some conservative analysts (Glenn Beck – although he did step up big and ask for forgiveness for his role in this mess) have disappointed in their relentless attack against Trump, but the pro-Trump movement has been just as bad. Some of this relentless Cruz bashing has come from the likes of Ann Coulter, Wayne Dupree, and others who were all about Ted Cruz just a few months ago. If they think Trump is a better candidate, okay. But to just get on and bash a candidate that they supported heavily just a few months ago, that heavily damages their credibility.

I know it’s tougher when for analysts when it comes to Donald Trump because this time last year nobody considered him a serious contender to win. Thus, you don’t have as many recorded opinions on Donald Trump as you do Ted Cruz.

I know you don’t think Cruz is the devil and that you have actually mentioned that you have preferred him to Trump. Agree or disagree, the bottom line is that as always, you have responded to me with succinct detail. For what it’s worth, TRT, I agree with you concerning the voting process in Colorado in that it needs to be changed. I think we can save some trouble if we made this a one day national vote, but that’s a different discussion for a different day. I also don’t disagree with you that Cruz has had faults throughout this campaign. I think every candidate should be ashamed of themselves, Republican or Democrat. This campaign is every bit as nasty as the 2012 election was and unfortunately I just don’t see things getting better.

[WideRight05]

So you have a buffoon like Trump enter this race. He is plain spoken and isn't monetarily indebted to anyone. He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but compare him to other "accepted" candidates, he's a genius. Rubio and Cruz jumped on his bandwagon, BUT Trump was the only candidate with the balls to say the things first that we were all thinking. He slashed the "sanctuary cities", then Cruz slashed them; he ridiculed the border crossings, then Rubio ridiculed them. And wonder of wonders, he is still fighting.

Excuse my multiple responses, I'll just add one thing though, about Rubio and Cruz. Both have either sponsored or co-sponsored legislation relating to immigration (see congress.gov). Cruz, especially, has co-sponsored legislation. Cruz tore into the sanctuary cities the same time Trump did, taking a stand against them without hesitation. Rubio's only strike, in my opinion, comes from the gang of eight. Had it not been for Cruz taking a key stand in blowing that up, we would have granted amnesty to millions of illegals.

Think of it this way, Granny, although I know this is not related to immigration - if Cruz was one that followed the leader, he would have taken Trump's stance on the situation with Kim Davis situation and tried to avoid it. Instead, he is on record stating that he "unequivocally" stands with Kim Davis and he went to great lengths to help her. Trump disagreed with jailing her but ultimately felt she should have issued the "marriage" licenses. Cruz took a chance on taking a highly unpopular position and stood with Kim Davis. Had he been one that followed the pack, he wouldn't have jumped in on this issue like he did.

[TheRealThing]

Relating to your first paragraph, I do agree that he has been consistent for the most part when it comes to his abortion position. He is pro-life with the exception of rape and incest. That hasn’t been my main issue with him on this with the exception of how he backed off of his statement that women who have an abortion should be punished.

Watch how Donald Trump masterfully defends his immigration policies. There is an interview with Katy Tur on YouTube (about 30 minutes long) in which she presses him on immigration and ends up getting torn up. When asked about immigration, he doesn’t always give a response in the fashion he tore up Katy Tur, but you can tell he is set on his view and that he is fully confident with himself in that area. Trump has certainly made some “controversial” or “bigoted” statements that the media would have loved nothing more than to see him retract. He stood strong by his statements and did not budge. He did not do the same thing relating to abortion.

That same confidence, pose, and toughness does not come out when it comes to talking about abortion. Oftentimes Trump will just claim that he’s pro-life, and he often will not provide much of a defense on his abortion views. He rarely brings the issue up at his rallies. It’s mostly about immigration or the economy.

It’s not that I don’t believe Donald Trump, TRT. I can’t tell what he actually thinks, but am leery of the situation because of the Governor in WV that ran as pro-life and then betrayed his voting base while in office. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt here though, but I just don’t see where he’s really going to make a major impact on that issue. It seems to be an issue more on the backburner, one that he would give up when selecting a judge compared to an issue that is more important to him.

Donald Trump is very, very smart and also sharp in quick thinking situations. He had to know about those rules in Colorado and whichever Dakota state it was. I’m surprised he didn’t go speak at the convention. I really think he would have picked up some delegates had he done that, especially in Colorado. I can’t help but wonder if there is some kind of method here that he is using to make this backfire on Cruz.

The bottom line is, the situation with the voting mentioned above is a lose-lose for this election. Cruz or Trump, whichever one won those states, would have happily taken the delegates with the one who lost grumbling about the situation. Combine that with the first/second ballot process at the nomination, I just think this whole thing is going to turn into a disaster with the two bases divided. I don’t see either one being able to reconcile that difference in time for the November elections.

This is why I mentioned that I see this outcome being disasterous no matter who wins. Sad to say, there is now a good chance we may be under a third term of “democratic socialism” very soon.

Lastly, concerning the comment I made about Cruz being the devil again. I’m not quite abroad on the never Trump movement. But when it comes to the Trump supporters bashing Cruz to no end, I’m not talking about so much on here, but moreso on other social media outlets. Facebook, Twitter, and others. I follow Donald Trump. There is an occasional smart-mouth comment from a Cruz supporter, but for the most part there isn’t a whole lot. Cruz’s page is filled with snark attacks that he’s establishment and other things that Donald Trump has said.

Relating to the media and political never Trump movement, I agree that the media, the liberal sources, are biased against both Trump and Cruz. This is the worst possible scenario for them. I can agree that some conservative analysts (Glenn Beck – although he did step up big and ask for forgiveness for his role in this mess) have disappointed in their relentless attack against Trump, but the pro-Trump movement has been just as bad. Some of this relentless Cruz bashing has come from the likes of Ann Coulter, Wayne Dupree, and others who were all about Ted Cruz just a few months ago. If they think Trump is a better candidate, okay. But to just get on and bash a candidate that they supported heavily just a few months ago, that heavily damages their credibility.

I know it’s tougher when for analysts when it comes to Donald Trump because this time last year nobody considered him a serious contender to win. Thus, you don’t have as many recorded opinions on Donald Trump as you do Ted Cruz.

I know you don’t think Cruz is the devil and that you have actually mentioned that you have preferred him to Trump. Agree or disagree, the bottom line is that as always, you have responded to me with succinct detail. For what it’s worth, TRT, I agree with you concerning the voting process in Colorado in that it needs to be changed. I think we can save some trouble if we made this a one day national vote, but that’s a different discussion for a different day. I also don’t disagree with you that Cruz has had faults throughout this campaign. I think every candidate should be ashamed of themselves, Republican or Democrat. This campaign is every bit as nasty as the 2012 election was and unfortunately I just don’t see things getting better.

The actual fight IMHO, is between the Billionaire and millionaire establishment types such as the Ricketts family and say Mitt Romney, (superpacs) and the everyday voter. The elites have and want to maintain control and the awakening voters want to take back the right of self governance. The fight is on and I say let it happen. This is happening on both sides of the aisle BTW, but I named only Republicans for the sake of conversation. Plus they are scared to death of Trump.

There are two things going on therefore, that mitigate all the political science. First is the afore mentioned fact that the everyday man is awake and involved for the first time since the Reagan era. The voter wants to have his say in the primary process and in some places like Colorado, he was disenfranchised and is visibly upset. When you hear Trump speaking on this matter he is not whining, he is at least to some degree helping voters frame their discontent. This is a grass roots movement unlike anything the professional politician or pundit has ever seen. And they're more than a little troubled, even in the face of their righteous indignation, with the upstart masses; People who they have made a career telling how and what to think. This is why I have oft referenced my irritation with the Democrat's number one line of manipulation; And that line goes something like this, "The American people want thus and so." Well not really, no it is the Democrats who want it and are used to using that line of rationale as a kind of code to give the public the opinion they want them to have. And just as often I have mentioned the role media play in this game of national mind manipulation, by repeating it day after day after day.

Secondly is the fact that if Trump or Cruz do not get the nomination, Hillary will very likely win. That is a guarantee of multiple millions of murdered babies, an even weaker military, more and more welfare, more and more migrants (on your dime BTW), more terror, more ObamaCare, and more taxes. So, on the one hand you may have to deal with a little trepidation with Trump. But on the other you get the 'Full Monty.' Capiche?

BTW, don't confuse the manipulations of the establishment with the toothless comebacks of the tweeting crowd, two different playing fields I guarantee.