[TheRealVille]

That's not on the tape and Newt was saying Obama had the chance to out maneuver the Republicans like Clinton did. Obama chose to tell them if they want more say in government they'd have to "win some elections." Funny thing was, I've never been able to find that clause in the founding documents anywhere. As to the stimulus, it happened in the first month of Obama's tenure, I never heard of a President getting anything done on the night of his inaugural.

Listen to the video, and put the timeline into play with Al's questions. He said Obama had the chance to out maneuver them, directly after Al pointed out their inaugural night plans to block Obama.

[TheRealVille]

Well, drawing from the 'canon' you have established in your writings on here over the past several years, this argument doesn't hold a drop of water. After the last Presidential election you were on here advising Republicans that if they ever intended to win another election they would have to moderate dramatically to the left. They didn't do that but, again swept the Mid-Terms anyway. Now your diminishing the results by saying that always happens in the 6th year of Presidency.

In typical fashion, liberals always overstate their position with the people and deny America's traditional conservative values. If conservatives really have awakened, your side is in for a political fight and it's high time in my book.

Presidential election. Wow, the republicans swept elections in red states, shocker. :dudecomeon::gtfo:

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Verbal pact then. Hows that? Newt admitted it.

I guess that, to some, it is difficult to differentiate "verbal" from "written". It must also be difficult to understand that conservative Republicans wanted Obama to fail because of his socialist ideas, his radical history, his disdain for the US Constitution, and his lack of accomplishment.

If conservative Republicans didn't so believe, I would be concerned about their loyalty to the country.

I'll certainly admit that I am both happy and thankful that Obama has been such a miserable failure in his overt and covert attempts to turn the United States into a weak, second class, socialist country. And, I would assume that Gingrich feels the same just as do most all of our patriots.

[Hoot Gibson]

Presidential election. Wow, the republicans swept elections in red states, shocker. :dudecomeon::gtfo:

You keep saying that all that happened Tuesday was that Republicans swept red states, but that is not true at all. Do you really want to see what a disaster Tuesday was for Democrats including some blue states? Just say the word and I will post the numbers. (Hint: Republicans now have total control of 30 state legislatures.)

As well as Republicans did in the national elections on Tuesday, they probably did better in state elections, and some of those states are what you would call "blue." Apparently, they are not as blue as you think.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Again, I wouldn't crow too loud in this mostly red state, republican win. I'll say it again, get back with me in the 2016 election, when republicans are vulnerable.

It would surprise most everyone to learn that Colorado, Iowa, and North Carolina are "red states". But then, you apparently thought Maryland, Michigan, Massachusetts, and Illinois were "red states" so I guess your ignorance should be of no surprise.

I suspect that only Obama and TheRealVille are not aware of the a** kicking that their boys, girls, and others received on Tuesday. As the girlie-jeaned fairy in the White House likes to say, "Elections have consequences". I would hope that the new majority keeps that in mind in dealing with the limp duck.

[Hoot Gibson]

I guess that, to some, it is difficult to differentiate "verbal" from "written". It must also be difficult to understand that conservative Republicans wanted Obama to fail because of his socialist ideas, his radical history, his disdain for the US Constitution, and his lack of accomplishment.

If conservative Republicans didn't so believe, I would be concerned about their loyalty to the country.

I'll certainly admit that I am both happy and thankful that Obama has been such a miserable failure in his overt and covert attempts to turn the United States into a weak, second class, socialist country. And, I would assume that Gingrich feels the same just as do most all of our patriots.

I am also happy that Obama has been a miserable failure as POTUS because of the anti-American agenda that he has pursued. Now, he is alienating our silent allies in the Arab world with his secret negotiations with Iran that will likely result in them getting nukes. Ironically, his actions may force Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni governments to secretly ally themselves with Israel to balance the threat of a nuclear Iran.

It is hard to say whether Obama has been a bigger failure on domestic issues or on foreign policy.

[TheRealThing]

Again, I wouldn't crow too loud in this mostly red state, republican win. I'll say it again, get back with me in the 2016 election, when republicans are vulnerable.

Why don't you just admit that you just got 'owned' by Wide? It's amazing you can be that wrong, that openly and that often, and still delude yourself about your debate prowess.

[TheRealThing]

Presidential election. Wow, the republicans swept elections in red states, shocker. :dudecomeon::gtfo:

Wide got it right and you're dodging. People remember what you post even if you don't.

[Hoot Gibson]

Wide got it right and you're dodging. People remember what you post even if you don't.

I think that he remembers. He is employing a best defense is a good offense strategy because he knows how many predictions that he has made that were obliterated by the results of last week's elections. Republicans are dominating state governments around the country and that is a very unreported story. In 24 states, Republicans control the entire legislative branch and occupy the governor's office. Democrats control both branches of government in only 6 states. That is total domination and renders the argument that the country is growing more liberal absurd.

West Virginia's House of Delegates is controlled by Republicans for the first time in 80 years. Republicans control both houses of the legislature in Michigan and voters there just re-elected a Republican governor. Tuesday night's elections were a bloodbath for Democrats at every level and blue states were not spared the wrath of voters who are fed up with Obama and the hacks that support him.

[TheRealVille]

You keep saying that all that happened Tuesday was that Republicans swept red states, but that is not true at all. Do you really want to see what a disaster Tuesday was for Democrats including some blue states? Just say the word and I will post the numbers. (Hint: Republicans now have total control of 30 state legislatures.)

As well as Republicans did in the national elections on Tuesday, they probably did better in state elections, and some of those states are what you would call "blue." Apparently, they are not as blue as you think.

Although we agree on almost nothing, I thought you were one of the only ones on here politically smart enough to not gloat on midterms, and also 6th year midterms. They almost always go against the sitting President, as they did with your guys also.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Although we agree on almost nothing, I thought you were one of the only ones on here politically smart enough to not gloat on midterms, and also 6th year midterms. They almost always go against the sitting President, as they did with your guys also.

You invited the "gloating" by posting all your excuses. However, you did forget to add that the dog ate your ballot.

Quit making disingenuous excuses, accept the truth, and accept that your little ferret was soundly rejected and no one will "gloat". Your brand and the ferret's brand of liberalism/socialism lost. And, in reality, what you call gloating is merely expressing the truth.

Of course, as a real president- Andrew Jackson- often said, "To the victor belongs the spoils". Republicans need to remember that and act accordingly. Your boys need to learn that there has been a long fall from John L. Lewis to poor, dumb Richie Trumka.

[Hoot Gibson]

Although we agree on almost nothing, I thought you were one of the only ones on here politically smart enough to not gloat on midterms, and also 6th year midterms. They almost always go against the sitting President, as they did with your guys also.

You are still not getting it, RV. Chris Matthews knows what a monumental setback and smackdown last week's election was for Obama and the Democratic Party. When Chris Matthews turns on Obama for failing to accept his situation, and you agree with Obama over Matthews, that should tell you something.

I was not gloating when I offered to display evidence of how the disastrous elections last week were and how they reverberated through red and blue states and through state governments from coast to coast. If I had wanted to gloat, then I would have just posted links to videos featuring Matthews, Maddow, Wasserman-Shultz, and other extreme Democratic partisans acknowledging how devastating last week's elections were for the party.

I wanted to give you some time to digest the results and wake up to reality on your own. Few people like to wake up to a loud, obnoxious sound in the morning. I prefer an alarm that starts gently and then grows very loud when I ignore it too long. I thought you might appreciate being awakened gently, but the alarm sounds will soon become a fog horn. The sooner you wake up, the more pain you will spare your ears.

[TheRealThing]

You invited the "gloating" by posting all your excuses. However, you did forget to add that the dog ate your ballot.

Quit making disingenuous excuses, accept the truth, and accept that your little ferret was soundly rejected and no one will "gloat". Your brand and the ferret's brand of liberalism/socialism lost. And, in reality, what you call gloating is merely expressing the truth.

Of course, as a real president- Andrew Jackson- often said, "To the victor belongs the spoils". Republicans need to remember that and act accordingly. Your boys need to learn that there has been a long fall from John L. Lewis to poor, dumb Richie Trumka.

The representative form of government only means something to liberals when they have the majority. Now that the Republicans have swept the Dems out of office in a manner that more than fulfilled my highest hopes, it is obvious to all who are not slave to a cultish affinity for anarchy that the people have voted to change the direction of the land. That being the case, the people's representatives that got a mandate to govern in prior elections must face facts. They did after all set forth an explicitly detailed agenda, and based on that agenda the people graciously afforded them (liberals), the opportunity to succeed as promised. To be sure, they failed to produce. In other words, we tried the liberal recipe and found it to be unpalatable. Hence, this past election season those same liberals were overwhelmingly rejected by the voter.

To deny what even those who are drunk on the kool aid are openly admitting is hilarious enough but, to doggedly keep subjecting one's self to the same diet of political tripe defies any logical understanding. To do so must therefore be based in in some kind of emotional unrest. Even Obama can get it right once in a while as he said, "elections have consequences." Of course now that that same reality has come home to him in a fashion that rejects his agenda, he seems unwilling to comply with the same authority of which he derived his mandate and expected everybody else to comply, an election. More than simply saying that Republicans won, the self governing people of the most powerful country in the world spoke.

[TheRealVille]

To anyone(first caller) that is confident of this nation going red/conservative for good, and this election is a referendum permanently against democrat politics: I'd be willing to make a small gentleman's wager of 100 bucks that the democrats retake the senate in the next election. Let's see how confident one of you are. If needed, we can work out the deal to keep you anonymous in the money exchange at a later date. I'd hate for your worry about anybody knowing where someone lives being a reason for not taking up this offer.

[TheRealThing]

To anyone(first caller) that is confident of this nation going red/conservative for good, and this election is a referendum permanently against democrat politics: I'd be willing to make a small gentleman's wager of 100 bucks that the democrats retake the senate in the next election. Let's see how confident one of you are. If needed, we can work out the deal to keep you anonymous in the money exchange at a later date. I'd hate for your worry about anybody knowing where someone lives being a reason for not taking up this offer.

I'm not going to rehash the obvious with you. But, I will say one thing about 2016. If Obama is dumb enough to legalize umpteen millions of illegals through executive action it could well be a decade before they see a majority again.

[TheRealVille]

I'm not going to rehash the obvious with you. But, I will say one thing about 2016. If Obama is dumb enough to legalize umpteen millions of illegals through executive action it could well be a decade before they see a majority again.

Are you $100 dollars confident in 2016, or not?

[TheRealThing]

Are you $100 dollars confident in 2016, or not?

It doesn't mean anything to me whether you agree with me or not so the 100 dollar thing is all on you. I am confident that should he go around congress with this matter, Dems will regret it come 2016.

[WideRight05]

Again, I wouldn't crow too loud in this mostly red state, republican win. I'll say it again, get back with me in the 2016 election, when republicans are vulnerable.

I'll add, TRV, I'm certainly not going to make any major predictions about the 2016 election. There are plenty of people that voted for Obama two times, so anything can happen. Considering every major media outlet except for Fox leans to the left, I'm sure they will find something to spin to try to make the Republican party look bad. You can rest assured that the spin machine will be doing anything and everything it can to ensure that Hillary occupies the White House in 2016.

For what it's worth, I did not believe the Republicans would come close to accomplishing a lot this election. You can even see in my prediction post on the elections that I picked Grimes to pull an upset over McConnell as well as Republicans losing in several key battles. At the end of the day, I felt that there would be 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats, and 2 Independents in the United States Senate. Never did I even come close to expecting that states like Illinois and Massachusetts would lean red in the governor races. In fact, I thought that the elections would be like the 1986 elections that you speak so proudly of. The Democrats gained 8 seats in the senate, yes, but what you fail to mention is that Republicans gained 8 governors in 1986 - a nice gain. This year was complete domination no matter how you spin it, TRV. The Democrats lost seats in the house, senate, and multiple governors lost election. States like West Virginia are experiencing their first Republican controlled state house and senate in over half a century.

Now, here is another victory that is not being discussed a lot. You often like to touch on issues of race and gender, so let's look at a few things...

*Shelley Moore Capito was elected to West Virginia, the state's first female senator.
*WV also elected Saira Blair to the House of Delegates, a young Republican female.
*Mia Love, an African-American Republican, was elected to the House of Representatives.
*Joni Ernst, a female Iraq veteran, was elected to the senate.
*Elise Stefanik of New York became the youngest female elected to congress.
*Tim Scott of South Carolina won re-election overwhelmingly.
*Will Hurd of Texas was elected to office.

Liberals love having a diverse group as long as that group is liberal.

Get ready TRV, I can't guarantee the media won't find some way to pull Hillary through the next election, but the diversity of this election just made her road a whole lot harder. She will have to use something other than the "war on women" if she wants to be in the White House in 2016. nicker:

[Do-double-gg]

To anyone(first caller) that is confident of this nation going red/conservative for good, and this election is a referendum permanently against democrat politics: I'd be willing to make a small gentleman's wager of 100 bucks that the democrats retake the senate in the next election. Let's see how confident one of you are. If needed, we can work out the deal to keep you anonymous in the money exchange at a later date. I'd hate for your worry about anybody knowing where someone lives being a reason for not taking up this offer.

Get back with me in about a year and a half after I see how Obama does and I may take that bet. Like I said either party is only as strong as the last person to hold that office. I think it is safe to say that the country and even other dem's are turning their backs on Obama at this point if you look at how his popularity numbers are going and how his own party had to act like they were nothing like him to get elected....................now that I think about it it reminds me a lot of Bush Jr's last few years. People were so sick of him that they voted for Obama, a man they knew nothing about because he acted like he was going to change the world. I think the one thing you and a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that a lot of people who have in the past voted REP, and also a lot of Independents voted for Obama because they truly thought he was going to be something fresh and different, but boy was he ever different and not in a good way. Most of the people who vote in this country don't live and breathe politics and all they know about a President is what they hear other people say and things they see on tv here and there. If the last President is unpopular and has a lot of negativity surrounding him then those voters are way more likely to vote red in 2016. People should follow this stuff way more then they do and if they did Obama IMO never get's elected the 1st time, but people are busy with life but those voters are what you would call casual voters and I would say they make up a big percentage of the vote each year. If you think for one second that the Dem's who plan to run for 2016 arent worried about what just happened then your kidding yourself. They need the states that they just lost, they need those Senators and Governor's to help campaign. You were giving stats on President's 6th years, but I would love to know what the stats are, on if after a president of one party goes out, what the statistics are of the next party gaining the Presidency especially after a 2 term President.

[TheRealThing]

Get back with me in about a year and a half after I see how Obama does and I may take that bet. Like I said either party is only as strong as the last person to hold that office. I think it is safe to say that the country and even other dem's are turning their backs on Obama at this point if you look at how his popularity numbers are going and how his own party had to act like they were nothing like him to get elected....................now that I think about it it reminds me a lot of Bush Jr's last few years. People were so sick of him that they voted for Obama, a man they knew nothing about because he acted like he was going to change the world. I think the one thing you and a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that a lot of people who have in the past voted REP, and also a lot of Independents voted for Obama because they truly thought he was going to be something fresh and different, but boy was he ever different and not in a good way. Most of the people who vote in this country don't live and breathe politics and all they know about a President is what they hear other people say and things they see on tv here and there. If the last President is unpopular and has a lot of negativity surrounding him then those voters are way more likely to vote red in 2016. People should follow this stuff way more then they do and if they did Obama IMO never get's elected the 1st time, but people are busy with life but those voters are what you would call casual voters and I would say they make up a big percentage of the vote each year. If you think for one second that the Dem's who plan to run for 2016 arent worried about what just happened then your kidding yourself. They need the states that they just lost, they need those Senators and Governor's to help campaign. You were giving stats on President's 6th years, but I would love to know what the stats are, on if after a president of one party goes out, what the statistics are of the next party gaining the Presidency especially after a 2 term President.

Very good observation^^. If nothing else this administration has force fed Americans a sorely needed civics lesson. Like you say most get their political news and insights in a very casual manner. I believe this is because up until now, there has been no real reason to worry all that much. Our system of checks and balances has served us well, and the preponderance of politicians were trustworthy enough to reign in the bozos that may have found their way into office. But then comes a guy who promises change and most people thought that meant good change. In a state of naïve blind trust, the American voter was very much taken by surprise.

America was intended to be a nation populated by a free and self governing people. We do need to be more involved in order to do that. Legislation such as ObamaCare, which will take up to at least one sixth of our yearly economy, shouldn't be passed in the middle of the night by men who admit they didn't even read the language. We just have to be smarter than that. So, in order to be smarter one must rise above casual means to really be aware on an individual level. Nor can he take the word of only one party, especially when they use so much energy slamming the other one. And in even more dramatic terms, when a future Presidential candidate comes in promising change, we'd better darn sure find out what that change is or we may be voting to triple (or worse) our health insurance costs.

[Hoot Gibson]

Are you $100 dollars confident in 2016, or not?

Only a fool would be confident about how the 2016 elections will turn out. The party of unpopular two-term presidents do not have any advantage in retaining the White House. Democrats lost the White House after two terms of Clinton and Republicans lost it after two Bush terms. There is no reason to expect that Obama is going to be as popular as either Clinton or Bush in two years. None.

You might as well bet on the toss of a fair coin.

[TheRealVille]

Only a fool would be confident about how the 2016 elections will turn out. The party of unpopular two-term presidents do not have any advantage in retaining the White House. Democrats lost the White House after two terms of Clinton and Republicans lost it after two Bush terms. There is no reason to expect that Obama is going to be as popular as either Clinton or Bush in two years. None.

You might as well bet on the toss of a fair coin.

Where did I say anything about the office of president? I think I fully exclaimed that the wager was about democrats taking back the senate in 16. But, I wholeheartedly think if Hillary runs, she sits in the big seat.

To anyone(first caller) that is confident of this nation going red/conservative for good, and this election is a referendum permanently against democrat politics: I'd be willing to make a small gentleman's wager of 100 bucks that the democrats retake the senate in the next election. Let's see how confident one of you are. If needed, we can work out the deal to keep you anonymous in the money exchange at a later date. I'd hate for your worry about anybody knowing where someone lives being a reason for not taking up this offer.

[TheRealVille]

Only a fool would be confident about how the 2016 elections will turn out. The party of unpopular two-term presidents do not have any advantage in retaining the White House. Democrats lost the White House after two terms of Clinton and Republicans lost it after two Bush terms. There is no reason to expect that Obama is going to be as popular as either Clinton or Bush in two years. None.

You might as well bet on the toss of a fair coin.

Are you trying to insinuate that Clinton was an unpopular President? :biglmao::hilarious:

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Are you trying to insinuate that Clinton was an unpopular President? :biglmao::hilarious:

Monica Lewinsky sure liked him as did a number of his other conquests. Of course, we can give him a little slack since he was and is married to Hillary Rodham. That would drive most anyone to infidelity.

[Hoot Gibson]

Are you trying to insinuate that Clinton was an unpopular President? :biglmao::hilarious:

You are right, Clinton finished his second term with a favorable job approval rating, after Dick Morris convinced him to work with Republicans in his second term. Despite winning the presidency, Republicans lost 4 seats when Bush won in 2000.

In 2008, Bush finished his second term with low job approval ratings, and Democrats picked up 8 seats when Obama won the White House.

So, do you expect Americans to approve of Obama's job two years from now, or will Americans be even sicker of Obama and his party than they are now?

Even if Hillary Clinton wins the White House in 2016, it is hard to imagine a scenario where Americans will have forgotten the rotten job that Obama and Harry Reid did as a team. You may be feeling nostalgic for the days that Democrats had total control of the federal government, but you will not have much company in 2016. Hillary's best bet to get elected will be to run in favor of a divided government and against Obama. nicker:

[C.E. Riggs]

I thought I would never say this, but this was the first time I ever voted for McConnell.....and I hope its the last.