[Tough Turf]

*Now why does everyone have to bash Sheldon Clark? Ron Blume had a GREAT year. There is no doubt about it. But the people mentioned on here have had great careers. Blume had a good junior year and a great senior year, but you can not say honetley that his junior and senior years compare close to those of Doug Howards 4 seasons and David Jones 2 seasons. Not to mention Beach, West, and so on. Now he was a very special back one of the best JC has had in a while, but he does not deserve to be on this list. If we had the 10 best single seasons then you could make an argument for him, but this is not a single season thread it is a career thread. Ron Blume was a great back, but I agree he did not quite deserve to be on this list.

*Now for the comments on Sheldon Clark. Ron Blume has 0 playoff wins under his belt. That is not a stat that GREAT backs have. Look at the people on my list. Everyone of them made good runs in the playoffs. Many walking on the field in Louisville. Ron Blume has yet to go to a second round game that he didn't buy a ticket for. So before you go thrashing SC for playing in the district they do you may want to look at your SUPERSTAR'S playoff record. I don't care what confrence you play in as long as you keep on playing when post season rolls around. You can compare scores all you want the bottom line is Blume never got it done when it mattered so he is on the outside of the list. Bashing SC won't make your case any better. SC had a great season. JC's started off great but finished a little disapointed (even tho you probabley had the best #3 seed in AAA in the state). No point in bad mouthing SC because of your bad luck.

Hey hey hey Matney's Prodigey did I pick a bone with you......no. just talking to corndog. For that matter do you think sheldon clark (if had played each other last season) could beat Johnson central??????:lmao: Dont say their in 3A......or they have a better coach...

[Mr. Right]

I didnt mean to leave them off, just ran out of time, but I really dont see them as the #1 and 2 they never put up career numbers like West did, The only reason Michael West didnt have a ring was because of the bone head coach. Now if they put up numbers like West did then I might think different.

Howard put app roximately 5500 & 90 Tds in 4 years & Jones approximately 3400 yards & 55 Tds in 2 years. They split carries with each other for 2 years and Howard split carries with Belfry's former all-time leading rusher Jonah Caudill.

West, Chapman, & Beach are interchangable with Howard & Jones, meaning that depending on who you ask either of those 5 could be argued legitimately as to which is best.

The others were pretty much "homer" votes. But thats OK, because most people on here have a little "homer" in them, myself included.

[Matney's Prodigey]

Hey hey hey Matney's Prodigey did I pick a bone with you......no. just talking to corndog. For that matter do you think sheldon clark (if had played each other last season) could beat Johnson central??????:lmao: Dont say their in 3A......or they have a better coach...

I never said they would have beat Central or that they had a better coach. Where did you see that in any of my posts? What I did say is that Blume has NEVER won a single playoff game so how can you claim him as the best back from the mountains? Great players win. That is the bottom line. Blume never got it done when it mattered most. He didn't have what it took to get the job done and he folded under pressure. End of Disscussion.
I also said that you were crying about how JC beat teams that beat SC, but your also fighting a losing battle bub since JC did make anearly departure from the playoffs where as SC did not. Don't get me wrong I am a HUGE fan of your coach (hence the name), but you are bad mouthing Sheldon Clark when you have no reason or right to. SC had a great year and you want to say they play in a soft district/class and that is the only reason they won. I know it must be hard on you having to go watch Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Paintsville and all the other teams from the mountains in the playoffs when you Eagles are practicing basketball. But that is no reason to bad mouth SC. They had a great year and thats all you can say. No point in getting tore up about it.

*You got beat SC didn't.

*Blume is not one of the top 10 backs from the mountains because he can't win big games.

That is all you need to look at. Figure it out.

[Hold_'Em_King]

Hate to tell ya there pal but Blume was the ONLY one to get it done when it mattered the most........his first 2 years they went a total of 3-17 and his Junior year they went 7-3 and didn't make the playoffs when some other team went 2-8 and made it.

And this passed year you can even ask the Madison Southern coach as he quoted to the newspapers, "we stopped Blume on the ground tonight, but he found other ways to win."

And ask Boyd Co.'s coach who he thinks is one of the best players he has ever seen play.............

I never said they would have beat Central or that they had a better coach. Where did you see that in any of my posts? What I did say is that Blume has NEVER won a single playoff game so how can you claim him as the best back from the mountains? Great players win. That is the bottom line. Blume never got it done when it mattered most. He didn't have what it took to get the job done and he folded under pressure. End of Disscussion.
I also said that you were crying about how JC beat teams that beat SC, but your also fighting a losing battle bub since JC did make anearly departure from the playoffs where as SC did not. Don't get me wrong I am a HUGE fan of your coach (hence the name), but you are bad mouthing Sheldon Clark when you have no reason or right to. SC had a great year and you want to say they play in a soft district/class and that is the only reason they won. I know it must be hard on you having to go watch Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Paintsville and all the other teams from the mountains in the playoffs when you Eagles are practicing basketball. But that is no reason to bad mouth SC. They had a great year and thats all you can say. No point in getting tore up about it.

*You got beat SC didn't.

*Blume is not one of the top 10 backs from the mountains because he can't win big games.

That is all you need to look at. Figure it out.

[Hold_'Em_King]

And you can't say just because he hasn't won a playoff game that he isn't one of the greatest in the mountains. That's just plain stupid.

An optimist would say that Blume dominated this year in a rebuilding program and helped lay the foundation for JC to be an upcoming powerhouse of 3A football.

I never said they would have beat Central or that they had a better coach. Where did you see that in any of my posts? What I did say is that Blume has NEVER won a single playoff game so how can you claim him as the best back from the mountains? Great players win. That is the bottom line. Blume never got it done when it mattered most. He didn't have what it took to get the job done and he folded under pressure. End of Disscussion.
I also said that you were crying about how JC beat teams that beat SC, but your also fighting a losing battle bub since JC did make anearly departure from the playoffs where as SC did not. Don't get me wrong I am a HUGE fan of your coach (hence the name), but you are bad mouthing Sheldon Clark when you have no reason or right to. SC had a great year and you want to say they play in a soft district/class and that is the only reason they won. I know it must be hard on you having to go watch Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Paintsville and all the other teams from the mountains in the playoffs when you Eagles are practicing basketball. But that is no reason to bad mouth SC. They had a great year and thats all you can say. No point in getting tore up about it.

*You got beat SC didn't.

*Blume is not one of the top 10 backs from the mountains because he can't win big games.

That is all you need to look at. Figure it out.

[Matney's Prodigey]

And you can't say just because he hasn't won a playoff game that he isn't one of the greatest in the mountains. That's just plain stupid.

An optimist would say that Blume dominated this year in a rebuilding program and helped lay the foundation for JC to be an upcoming powerhouse of 3A football.

I'd wait untill you won a playoff game before you call yourself a powerhouse.

He isnt one of the greatest RB's from the mountains because he chokes in big games. He can't win the big game. He chokes under pressure. That dosn't sound much like a top 10 rb to me. Sorry for your ignorace.

[Golden Eagle]

I'd wait untill you won a playoff game before you call yourself a powerhouse.

He isnt one of the greatest RB's from the mountains because he chokes in big games. He can't win the big game. He chokes under pressure. That dosn't sound much like a top 10 rb to me. Sorry for your ignorace.

What a shame. There was once a time when I enjoyed reading your posts Prodigey but your last three to four posts on this subject has sickened me. Your talking trash about a 17 or 18 year old kid who is also a member of this site and you want to call some one else ignorant. That's the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me on this subject. Pitiful just plain pitiful and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for acting so childish.

[Matney's Prodigey]

What a shame. There was once a time when I enjoyed reading your posts Prodigey but your last three to four posts on this subject has sickened me. Your talking trash about a 17 or 18 year old kid who is also a member of this site and you want to call some one else ignorant. That's the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me on this subject. Pitiful just plain pitiful and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for acting so childish.

I am not talking trash on him. If you look at my other posts I say he was a very good back and had a great senior season. I am stating why I think he does not deserve to be in the top 10. I did not call the other person ignorant because they think that way (I understand them feeling that Blume is a top 10 back) I am calling them ignorant because they are to shallow to see where I am coming from. Had they simply replied I see what your saying but simply disagree there would have been no problem. I have taken no shots at Blume. He was a good back and had a great senior year, but this is a career thing and his career did not measure up to the players on my list in my mind. There is no shame in saying a kid didn't win or didn't perform when it mattered most. I don't see how that is talking trash. That is calling it as I see it.

[corndog23]

What a shame. There was once a time when I enjoyed reading your posts Prodigey but your last three to four posts on this subject has sickened me. Your talking trash about a 17 or 18 year old kid who is also a member of this site and you want to call some one else ignorant. That's the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me on this subject. Pitiful just plain pitiful and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for acting so childish.

The shameful thing here is that you and your buddy hold em king fail to realize that if you want to be a top ten running back, OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD, In a big part of the state with many quality runners, then you HAVE TO WIN! thats all there is to it. He was a GOOD running back, but he lacks the clutch performances to carry his team to a playoff victory for me, or any unbiased poster, to call him great.

FWIW Golden Eagle, Matney's Prodigey is when of the most knowledgeable sports fans i know, and if you want to learn something.....keep readin his posts....

[Batpuff]

Howard put app roximately 5500 & 90 Tds in 4 years & Jones approximately 3400 yards & 55 Tds in 2 years. They split carries with each other for 2 years and Howard split carries with Belfry's former all-time leading rusher Jonah Caudill.

West, Chapman, & Beach are interchangable with Howard & Jones, meaning that depending on who you ask either of those 5 could be argued legitimately as to which is best.

The others were pretty much "homer" votes. But thats OK, because most people on here have a little "homer" in them, myself included.

I am not saying that they wasnt good backs, but none of Belfrys backs are even listed on the KHSAA web site with records, so to say that he put up 90 TD's in 4 years I dont know because hes not listed there, nor is is rushing yards. I am not taking anything away from them but I just dont think that either of them are as good as West was even Jonah Caudill. Jones was a good back but isnt even running the ball at UK. Even Beach ran the ball at UK who is also on my list.

Eastern Kentucky has produced so great running backs over the last 20 years.

Oh one more thing if he did have 90 TD;s its a shame a program like Belfry wont take the time and keep the stats updated with the KHSAA, you would think that they would.

http://www.khsaa.org/records/football/st...ecords.pdf

[Golden Eagle]

The shameful thing here is that you and your buddy hold em king fail to realize that if you want to be a top ten running back, OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD, In a big part of the state with many quality runners, then you HAVE TO WIN! thats all there is to it. He was a GOOD running back, but he lacks the clutch performances to carry his team to a playoff victory for me, or any unbiased poster, to call him great.

FWIW Golden Eagle, Matney's Prodigey is when of the most knowledgeable sports fans i know, and if you want to learn something.....keep readin his posts....

FWIW pal, I don't have a clue who hold him king is,so he's not my buddy. I never once said that Ron Blume is one of the best in the past ten years I just thought it was pretty bad for a grown man to say that a senior in high school "chokes in big games", or "he can't win the big games", and " he chokes under pressure". I bet you Jim Matney don't believe he's a choker. Ron Blume and the rest of his senior pals stuck around and turned around a football program that for so many years was a complete joke. I would venture to say if you was in the exact same position you wouldn't have stuck around during that mess. Did you even play football in high school?

PS
In the future you can keep your advice to yourself. I'm a grown man and I don't need any help from a 19 year old boy. My previous post was to Matney's Prodigey and not to you . I think we cleared our differences but you have to go and poke your nose into it and start something else.

[bigcountry]

FWIW pal, I don't have a clue who hold him king is,so he's not my buddy. I never once said that Ron Blume is one of the best in the past ten years I just thought it was pretty bad for a grown man to say that a senior in high school "chokes in big games", or "he can't win the big games", and " he chokes under pressure". I bet you Jim Matney don't believe he's a choker. Ron Blume and the rest of his senior pals stuck around and turned around a football program that for so many years was a complete joke. I would venture to say if you was in the exact same position you wouldn't have stuck around during that mess. Did you even play football in high school?

PS
In the future you can keep your advice to yourself. I'm a grown man and I don't need any help from a 19 year old boy. My previous post was to Matney's Prodigey and not to you . I think we cleared our differences but you have to go and poke your nose into it and start something else.

From what I have read, I think that the statement was made that he didn't play any sports. I think that either he or someone said once in a post that he was a cheerleader though.

[corndog23]

FWIW pal, I don't have a clue who hold him king is,so he's not my buddy. I never once said that Ron Blume is one of the best in the past ten years I just thought it was pretty bad for a grown man to say that a senior in high school "chokes in big games", or "he can't win the big games", and " he chokes under pressure". I bet you Jim Matney don't believe he's a choker. Ron Blume and the rest of his senior pals stuck around and turned around a football program that for so many years was a complete joke. I would venture to say if you was in the exact same position you wouldn't have stuck around during that mess. Did you even play football in high school?

PS
In the future you can keep your advice to yourself. I'm a grown man and I don't need any help from a 19 year old boy. My previous post was to Matney's Prodigey and not to you . I think we cleared our differences but you have to go and poke your nose into it and start something else.

Listen dude, from all the evidence that we have seen, ron Blume is a professional choke artist. Along with the rest of his crew. INCLUDING the coach...and i even like Jim Matney. Also if you read the whole thread, Matney's Prodigey stepped in to back me up, and i was returning the favor...so no i did NOT stick my nose into it...you put yours into it...


you can call me a boy all you want, i dont care, your probably some old dude who "the older you get, the greater you were" type deal. What were you, backup place kicker??
Also, I have one question for you, How do you know Matney's Prodigey is a grown man?hh:

From what I have read, I think that the statement was made that he didn't play any sports. I think that either he or someone said once in a post that he was a cheerleader though.

No, sorry, wasnt a cheerleader. i did play sports though....

[corndog23]

By the way Golden Eagle, I dont know why you went off like that, because if you will read my post, i was in no way disrespectful to you....way to go sport.

[Golden Eagle]

Listen dude, from all the evidence that we have seen, ron Blume is a professional choke artist. Along with the rest of his crew. INCLUDING the coach...and i even like Jim Matney. Also if you read the whole thread, Matney's Prodigey stepped in to back me up, and i was returning the favor...so no i did NOT stick my nose into it...you put yours into it...


you can call me a boy all you want, i dont care, your probably some old dude who "the older you get, the greater you were" type deal. What were you, backup place kicker??
Also, I have one question for you, How do you know Matney's Prodigey is a grown man?hh:

Way to show some class boy wonder. You couldn't wear Blume's jock and you call him a professional choke artist. What did you ever do on the football field to come on here and act all high and mighty? Did you Cheer or was you the H2O specialist? You say the same about Matney well that just shows how much credibility you have on here. He BUILT the Sheldon Clark football program and you say this about him. It's just sour grapes if you ask me. With fans like you it's know wonder he left.You still never answered my question. Did you even play high school football?

[Golden Eagle]

By the way Golden Eagle, I dont know why you went off like that, because if you will read my post, i was in no way disrespectful to you....way to go sport.

Thank you sport!

[Batpuff]

Well if it does not calm down in here it will be closed, so sport(s) do you get that.

[Tough Turf]

I never said they would have beat Central or that they had a better coach. Where did you see that in any of my posts? What I did say is that Blume has NEVER won a single playoff game so how can you claim him as the best back from the mountains? Great players win. That is the bottom line. Blume never got it done when it mattered most. He didn't have what it took to get the job done and he folded under pressure. End of Disscussion.
I also said that you were crying about how JC beat teams that beat SC, but your also fighting a losing battle bub since JC did make anearly departure from the playoffs where as SC did not. Don't get me wrong I am a HUGE fan of your coach (hence the name), but you are bad mouthing Sheldon Clark when you have no reason or right to. SC had a great year and you want to say they play in a soft district/class and that is the only reason they won. I know it must be hard on you having to go watch Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Paintsville and all the other teams from the mountains in the playoffs when you Eagles are practicing basketball. But that is no reason to bad mouth SC. They had a great year and thats all you can say. No point in getting tore up about it.

*You got beat SC didn't.

*Blume is not one of the top 10 backs from the mountains because he can't win big games.

That is all you need to look at. Figure it out.

''Great players win'' No IMO....great players have heart

[corndog23]

''Great players win'' No IMO....great players have heart

ok....so preston lemaster and adam williams were great players??? you know they had heart.....does thaat mean they were great?? no........way.....

[Hold_'Em_King]

How can you expect one single player to wina big game. How stupid can you be? You sound like a bunch of idiots who don't know a damn thing about the game. It is a TEAM EFFORT.

[Matney's Prodigey]

How can you expect one single player to wina big game. How stupid can you be? You sound like a bunch of idiots who don't know a damn thing about the game. It is a TEAM EFFORT.

Great players carry their teams to a victory, and it sounds like your trying to say Blume had no help on that team. JC was a pretty good football team. Now Blume was the straw that stirred the drink, but there was no shortage of talent on that team. Madison Southern was a good team no question about it. BUT, if Blume was one of the 10 best rb's he would have found a way to win. He would had strapped on a saddle and carried the Eagles into the second round. He didn't. That dosn't make him a bad player or a bad person (he is very good at both) it just keeps him off the list IMHO. Great players win. Jordan is considered great because he won. Montana is considered great because he won. Marino may hold the records but with out rings to go with it few experts consider him the greatest QB of all time. You have to win when it counts to be GREAT, and unfortunatley Blume did not.

[Tough Turf]

Great players carry their teams to a victory, and it sounds like your trying to say Blume had no help on that team. JC was a pretty good football team. Now Blume was the straw that stirred the drink, but there was no shortage of talent on that team. Madison Southern was a good team no question about it. BUT, if Blume was one of the 10 best rb's he would have found a way to win. He would had strapped on a saddle and carried the Eagles into the second round. He didn't. That dosn't make him a bad player or a bad person (he is very good at both) it just keeps him off the list IMHO. Great players win. Jordan is considered great because he won. Montana is considered great because he won. Marino may hold the records but with out rings to go with it few experts consider him the greatest QB of all time. You have to win when it counts to be GREAT, and unfortunatley Blume did not.

I agree with you totally. Blume was a great player no matter what anybody says. JC has all the talent they need to be winners.

[PantherPride68]

Great players carry their teams to a victory, and it sounds like your trying to say Blume had no help on that team. JC was a pretty good football team. Now Blume was the straw that stirred the drink, but there was no shortage of talent on that team. Madison Southern was a good team no question about it. BUT, if Blume was one of the 10 best rb's he would have found a way to win. He would had strapped on a saddle and carried the Eagles into the second round. He didn't. That dosn't make him a bad player or a bad person (he is very good at both) it just keeps him off the list IMHO. Great players win. Jordan is considered great because he won. Montana is considered great because he won. Marino may hold the records but with out rings to go with it few experts consider him the greatest QB of all time. You have to win when it counts to be GREAT, and unfortunatley Blume did not.

Montana had Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott, Jordan had Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Not to mention the rest of the talented players on both these respective teams. This and this alone is why Montana and Jordan are viewed differently than Marino, he never had that luxury. I dont care how great a football player is, In this game no one person carries a team. Anyone who beleives this has watched too much sportcenter. If Montanas lineman didnt block or Rice didnt catch than no matter how much will to win that Joe had he couldnt have won because he cant block,throw and run all at the same time. Joe was a great leader of a great team. Im not saying blume didnt have a supporting cast at all, Im just saying that a true TEAM wins as a team and loses as a team and it is not fair to say that one person was the cause of it. Where Blumes place in history lays I dont know but the kid was a great back and I wish him well in college. It is just as unfair to a team to say that one player can win a game all by theirselves as it is to place all the blame on one player for losing a game.

[Tough Turf]

Montana had Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott, Jordan had Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Not to mention the rest of the talented players on both these respective teams. This and this alone is why Montana and Jordan are viewed differently than Marino, he never had that luxury. I dont care how great a football player is, In this game no one person carries a team. Anyone who beleives this has watched too much sportcenter. If Montanas lineman didnt block or Rice didnt catch than no matter how much will to win that Joe had he couldnt have won because he cant block,throw and run all at the same time. Joe was a great leader of a great team. Im not saying blume didnt have a supporting cast at all, Im just saying that a true TEAM wins as a team and loses as a team and it is not fair to say that one person was the cause of it. Where Blumes place in history lays I dont know but the kid was a great back and I wish him well in college. It is just as unfair to a team to say that one player can win a game all by theirselves as it is to place all the blame on one player for losing a game.

:thumpsup: great posts :thumpsup:

[crazytaxidriver]

Montana had Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott, Jordan had Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Not to mention the rest of the talented players on both these respective teams. This and this alone is why Montana and Jordan are viewed differently than Marino, he never had that luxury. I dont care how great a football player is, In this game no one person carries a team. Anyone who beleives this has watched too much sportcenter. If Montanas lineman didnt block or Rice didnt catch than no matter how much will to win that Joe had he couldnt have won because he cant block,throw and run all at the same time. Joe was a great leader of a great team. Im not saying blume didnt have a supporting cast at all, Im just saying that a true TEAM wins as a team and loses as a team and it is not fair to say that one person was the cause of it. Where Blumes place in history lays I dont know but the kid was a great back and I wish him well in college. It is just as unfair to a team to say that one player can win a game all by theirselves as it is to place all the blame on one player for losing a game.

great post :thumpsup:

[HazzBeen]

Great players carry their teams to a victory, and it sounds like your trying to say Blume had no help on that team. JC was a pretty good football team. Now Blume was the straw that stirred the drink, but there was no shortage of talent on that team. Madison Southern was a good team no question about it. BUT, if Blume was one of the 10 best rb's he would have found a way to win. He would had strapped on a saddle and carried the Eagles into the second round. He didn't. That dosn't make him a bad player or a bad person (he is very good at both) it just keeps him off the list IMHO. Great players win. Jordan is considered great because he won. Montana is considered great because he won. Marino may hold the records but with out rings to go with it few experts consider him the greatest QB of all time. You have to win when it counts to be GREAT, and unfortunatley Blume did not.

Sorry but you are wrong on this one. Barry Sanders to me is the best running back of all time, but had no team around him. Therefore, he never won a playoff game (i think). Does this make him not one of the best running backs of all time? I don't think so. Blume is a great running back hands down and I am not a Johnson Central fan at all.

[pay check]

DOUG HOWARD #1.....he had the all around game........no one could stop him.
COLEMAN#2.........he did have the power of howard

#3-#151 alot of good football players

BLUME #152

[t-cat50]

Arliss Beach

[Meaty]

you could make a case for Scottie Newell from Somerset... he set the all time rushing record for the Jumpers last year...

[PC_U_KNOW_98]

Paintsville has had a couple great running backs in the past ten seasons:

Brock Taylor, David Peters, Matt Brown