[TheRealThing]

Representative David Wu (D) Oregon, is the latest democrat to fall having been taken in acts of sexual depravity. The straw that broke the camel's back or, maybe I should have said tiger's back, were yet more illicit sexual accusations about he and the 18 year old daughter of a long time friend and campaign donor.

I don't get it, what is the fascination with these guys and their tallywhacker? :flush:

[Hoot Gibson]

David Wu inexplicably dressed in a tiger suit. (This was not taken at a Halloween or other costume party.)

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[Wildcatk23]

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YOu guys are pitiful.

[Wildcatk23]

Its like John Ensign calling for Clinton to resign.

[TheRealThing]

Its like John Ensign calling for Clinton to resign.

Seriously 23, it doesn't concern you that the legislative branch of government is overrun with perverts? They've got a job to do up on the hill in that the importance of their decisions could not be overstated. If the centerfielder on your team used bad judgement he'd miss a lot of balls out there. It's no different for the US lawmakers, we rely on them to exercise good judgement, while in office at least, in order for them to make good law. You really comfortable with some bozo dressed up in a tiger suit chasing 18 year olds around?

[Hoot Gibson]

Its like John Ensign calling for Clinton to resign.

Really. I see your point. Like Wu, multiple women accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault or sexual harassment and Clinton's alleged victims were also much younger than him. I think Ensign resigned over a consensual extramarital affair, did he not?

[nky]

Its like John Ensign calling for Clinton to resign.

President Clinton should have resigned

[Hoot Gibson]

President Clinton should have resigned

I agree but he should have been convicted by the Senate for perjury. Infidelity should not be grounds for impeachment. If politicians have no sense of honor (and few do), then as long as they have broken no laws or breached any serious ethics rules, it should be up to voters to remove them from office.

The Wu situation reminds me of the one with Dan Rostenkowsi during the Clinton administration. Rosty was a felon whose days were clearly numbered but Clinton needed his vote, so Democrats kept him around as long as possible, despite knowing that he was probably headed to the pokey.

Wu has now been accused of two separate women of forcing himself on them. Yet Democrats want to make sure that he is around to vote on the debt ceiling.

[nky]

I agree but he should have been convicted by the Senate for perjury. Infidelity should not be grounds for impeachment. If politicians have no sense of honor (and few do), then as long as they have broken no laws or breached any serious ethics rules, it should be up to voters to remove them from office.

The Wu situation reminds me of the one with Dan Rostenkowsi during the Clinton administration. Rosty was a felon whose days were clearly numbered but Clinton needed his vote, so Democrats kept him around as long as possible, despite knowing that he was probably headed to the pokey.

Wu has now been accused of two separate women of forcing himself on them. Yet Democrats want to make sure that he is around to vote on the debt ceiling.

He committed perjury and should have resigned it wasn't about the little blue dress or cigar

[Hoot Gibson]

He committed perjury and should have resigned it wasn't about the little blue dress or cigar

:Thumbs: I fully agree, if liberal Democrats in the Senate had any sense of decency, they would have sent a senior member to the White House and told Clinton that it was time to go - as Republicans did when Nixon was determined to find to the bitter end.

[TheRealThing]

I agree but he should have been convicted by the Senate for perjury. Infidelity should not be grounds for impeachment. If politicians have no sense of honor (and few do), then as long as they have broken no laws or breached any serious ethics rules, it should be up to voters to remove them from office.

The Wu situation reminds me of the one with Dan Rostenkowsi during the Clinton administration. Rosty was a felon whose days were clearly numbered but Clinton needed his vote, so Democrats kept him around as long as possible, despite knowing that he was probably headed to the pokey.

Wu has now been accused of two separate women of forcing himself on them. Yet Democrats want to make sure that he is around to vote on the debt ceiling.

Unbelieveable, there really is "no honor among thieves"

[zaga_fan]

well....
as disgusting as this is....
if the guy wants to dress in a tiger suit and role-play with a young woman that is of the age of consent.....
is it really an issue?

[Hoot Gibson]

well....
as disgusting as this is....
if the guy wants to dress in a tiger suit and role-play with a young woman that is of the age of consent.....
is it really an issue?

The charges against Congressman Wu are much more serious than role playing with an 18-year old. The tiger suit is unrelated but was enough for some members of his staff to question his soundness of mind. Wu needs to resign immediately and Democrats need to stop putting votes above ethics.

[TheRealThing]

well....
as disgusting as this is....
if the guy wants to dress in a tiger suit and role-play with a young woman that is of the age of consent.....
is it really an issue?

Actually it is. Wu is 55 years old and the divorced father of two children, the oldest would be about 15 years old. How would you like it if you were a 15 year old high schooler. The son of the US Representative from Oregon, whose main claim to fame is a self inflicted picture of himself in a tiger suit trying to be salacious, floating around on the world wide web and national news? Add to that the particularly demeaning media coverage regarding his depraved personal dealings with the opposite sex, that fall far short of fitting for a US legislator.

If this guy was your next door neighbor and just worked at wal-mart you'd tell your wife and daughter to avoid him at all costs. How much higher should the standard of personal judgement be for a guy who writes US law?

I know Clinton lowered the standard of behavior for those in high elected office down to the level of a back door massage parlor madam. But, I was never able to realign my expectations for those in government quite that low.

[Wildcatk23]

Tom Ganley, former Republican Congressional candidate, and current "Family Values" hypocrite, is facing three felony charges of gross sexual imposition, and single counts of kidnapping, abduction, solicitation, and menacing by stalking, according to Ryan Miday, a spokesman for County Prosecutor Bill Mason. No arraignment date has been set. Mr. Ganley allegedly groped a woman in his car dealership and attempted to insert his fingers in her vagina after sticking his hands down her pants. See the original complain here.
Alan David Berlin, 40, a longtime staffer for a Republican state lawmaker, was charged on May 29, 2009 with a first degree felony for unlawful contact with a minor. He is also charged with criminal attempted sexual exploitation of children, criminal solicitation to commit sexual abuse of children, all second-degree felonies, and other offenses. authorities say Berlin suggested dressing up in animal costumes during online sex chats with a 15-year-old boy. During a search, agents found wolf- and cat-type costumes in his home.
Republican sex offender & former Regent University law school assistant dean Stephen L. McPherson, who was indicted June 7, 2008 on 13 felony sexual assault charges involving two girls, has entered a guilty plea to two counts of forcible sodomy and two counts of object sexual penetration. He is set to be sentenced May 22. There was no agreement on a potential sentence, except that prosecutors will recommend a cap of 18 years and six months.
Republican sex offender and former North Country assemblyman and current state Parole Board member, George "Chris" Ortloff, 61, was arrested on Monday, Oct. 13, 2008 on federal charges that he used the Internet to solicit sex with minors. He was arrested following a sting operation at a Colonie motel and had allegedly arranged for a date with a minor he met on the Internet. '' The New York Post reports that he had child pornography and sex paraphernalia in his possession when he was arrested. State Police reportedly searched Ortloff'''s home in Plattsburgh and a computer had been seized from his Lake Placid real estate office, officials said. Ortloff, married with two sons, retired from the Assembly in 2006 having represented the 110 th District. '' He was appointed to the part-time position on the Parole Board, a six year term which expires in 2012, a position paying him $102,000 a year.
Republican sex offender & Missouri State Rep. Scott Muschany, ®-Frontenac, was indicted today, Aug 6, 2008, in connection with a reported sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl on May 17, the day after this year’s Legislative session ended. The alleged victim is the daughter of a state employee. The girl’s mother and Muschany, a married father of 2 children, were romantically involved, the woman said. (Aren't "Family Values" a wonderful thing?) In a morbid twist of irony, Muschany was a co-sponsor of legislation that toughened sex offender laws in 2006. According to his legislative biography, Muschany and his wife were licensed as foster parents with the Division of Family Services.
Republican sex offender & longtime stalwart Republican operative Peter Hong was arrested July 23, 2008 for solicitation of prostitution. Police spokesman Peter Panos said that the arrest came during the first day of a two-day sting operation during which "johns" and prostitutes responded to ads placed on the Internet and in print. Thirty-five people were arrested Wednesday and Thursday, Panos said today.
Republican sex offender & candidate for Mineral County (W.Va.) Commission Wilton Frederick Bland, 30, of Bayberry Place, was arrested March 23, 2007, after police received a complaint concerning a juvenile boy who said Bland had wanted him to appear nude on the Internet. Bland charged last year with 136 counts related to sexually based crimes against children has been sentenced to a possible total of 85 years after pleading guilty in both Grant and Mineral counties. was charged at the time with 73 counts of possession of child pornography, 45 counts of sexual assault in the first degree for allegedly having sex with a child under age 11, nine counts of use of obscene matter with intent to seduce a minor, seven counts of display of obscene matter to a minor and two counts of employing a minor to do sexually explicit conduct, according to the West Virginia State Police.
Republican Delegate Robert McKee, known as an advocate for children's rights, is the focus of a child pornography investigation after officers searched his Hagerstown, Md home. McKee is not facing any charges right now, but as of today, Feb 15, 2008, he has resigned his position as both a state delegate and as executive director of the Big Brothers Big Sisters Club of Washington County. In a statement, McKee said he is entering treatment to, "get well and stay well." Shock waves echoed through Hagerstown, as the news that he was being investigated for child pornography spread like wildfire.
**We will be keeping an eye on this story for further developments** ***UPDATE*** - Robert Mckee entered a guilty plea of possessing child porn on September 6, 2008. He was sentenced to 3 years in prison on November 21, 2008. McKee's journals document that he simultaneously printed images of child pornography from the Internet and printed stories describing sexual acts between young boys and other young boys or adult men. Someone from McKee's home called the Washington County Sheriff's Department to tip off authorities and provided them with printed images from a computer.
Republican sex offender & Department of Children & Families press secretary Al Zimmerman, 40, was arrested Friday, Feb 1, 2008 and charged with eight felony charges of using a child in a sexual performance. According to an arrest report, Zimmerman offered two teens money in exchange for photographing them in sexual acts. The victims were ages 16 and 17 at the time of the crime, and at least one may have been in the care of DCF at one point, according to the report. Authorities believe some of the images date back to December 2005, the arrest report showed. Zimmerman is suspected of taking photos as recently as Friday, the report showed.
The Republican Mayor, who is also the Pastor of the Temple Lot Church in Collins Missouri, a town in St. Clair County, is accused of trying to convince someone whom he thought was a teenage girl to meet him for sex. Diamond police say Allen D Kauffman is charged in Newton County with four counts of enticement of a child after an online investigation that began in mid-November.
Diamond Police Detective Jim Murray says he posed as a 13-year-old girl named Cindy and was approached by a man who used the screen name duke dukeadk on Nov. 15 about noon in an online chat room.
Murray says Kauffman discussed meeting her to take nude photos and to have sex. Over the course of seven conversations during the past two months, transcripts show each chat was sexually graphic. Murray say Kauffman recognized the girl’s age, and even showed some hesitation, teasing the girl about whether she could be a cop.
Police say Kauffman repeatedly asked the girl to use a webcam, and didn't wait long to use his. The detective saved some photos from a webcam on Kauffman's computer in his home in Collins.
Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, Wisconsin was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.
Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that "you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents." The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, " I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice." The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, "Just gotta go slow and very easy. I've done it plenty," according to detectives.
**UPDATE: John Atchison has killed himself. Detroit police confirmed Atchison's suicide death at 10:14 a.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2007. Good riddance, scumbag!

[Wildcatk23]

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her 2 children by strapping them in their car seats and plunging them into a lake in South Carolina and blamed it on a black man. Beverly Russell admitted abusing Smith when she was 15 and continuing an incestuous relationship with her until shortly before she drowned her children in John D. Long Lake.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

[Wildcatk23]

Is there really a point. In the Law of The Lands, It was Legal.

[TheRealVille]

Nothing illeagel, he is 55, she is 18. As bad taste as it is, no reason he HAS to give up his seat.

[TheRealVille]

Wildcat, you won't here of the republican skeletons here. It isn't the same.

[TheRealThing]

Tom Ganley, former Republican Congressional candidate, and current "Family Values" hypocrite, is facing three felony charges of gross sexual imposition, and single counts of kidnapping, abduction, solicitation, and menacing by stalking, according to Ryan Miday, a spokesman for County Prosecutor Bill Mason. No arraignment date has been set. Mr. Ganley allegedly groped a woman in his car dealership and attempted to insert his fingers in her vagina after sticking his hands down her pants. See the original complain here.
Alan David Berlin, 40, a longtime staffer for a Republican state lawmaker, was charged on May 29, 2009 with a first degree felony for unlawful contact with a minor. He is also charged with criminal attempted sexual exploitation of children, criminal solicitation to commit sexual abuse of children, all second-degree felonies, and other offenses. authorities say Berlin suggested dressing up in animal costumes during online sex chats with a 15-year-old boy. During a search, agents found wolf- and cat-type costumes in his home.
Republican sex offender & former Regent University law school assistant dean Stephen L. McPherson, who was indicted June 7, 2008 on 13 felony sexual assault charges involving two girls, has entered a guilty plea to two counts of forcible sodomy and two counts of object sexual penetration. He is set to be sentenced May 22. There was no agreement on a potential sentence, except that prosecutors will recommend a cap of 18 years and six months.
Republican sex offender and former North Country assemblyman and current state Parole Board member, George "Chris" Ortloff, 61, was arrested on Monday, Oct. 13, 2008 on federal charges that he used the Internet to solicit sex with minors. He was arrested following a sting operation at a Colonie motel and had allegedly arranged for a date with a minor he met on the Internet. '' The New York Post reports that he had child pornography and sex paraphernalia in his possession when he was arrested. State Police reportedly searched Ortloff'''s home in Plattsburgh and a computer had been seized from his Lake Placid real estate office, officials said. Ortloff, married with two sons, retired from the Assembly in 2006 having represented the 110 th District. '' He was appointed to the part-time position on the Parole Board, a six year term which expires in 2012, a position paying him $102,000 a year.
Republican sex offender & Missouri State Rep. Scott Muschany, ®-Frontenac, was indicted today, Aug 6, 2008, in connection with a reported sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl on May 17, the day after this year’s Legislative session ended. The alleged victim is the daughter of a state employee. The girl’s mother and Muschany, a married father of 2 children, were romantically involved, the woman said. (Aren't "Family Values" a wonderful thing?) In a morbid twist of irony, Muschany was a co-sponsor of legislation that toughened sex offender laws in 2006. According to his legislative biography, Muschany and his wife were licensed as foster parents with the Division of Family Services.
Republican sex offender & longtime stalwart Republican operative Peter Hong was arrested July 23, 2008 for solicitation of prostitution. Police spokesman Peter Panos said that the arrest came during the first day of a two-day sting operation during which "johns" and prostitutes responded to ads placed on the Internet and in print. Thirty-five people were arrested Wednesday and Thursday, Panos said today.
Republican sex offender & candidate for Mineral County (W.Va.) Commission Wilton Frederick Bland, 30, of Bayberry Place, was arrested March 23, 2007, after police received a complaint concerning a juvenile boy who said Bland had wanted him to appear nude on the Internet. Bland charged last year with 136 counts related to sexually based crimes against children has been sentenced to a possible total of 85 years after pleading guilty in both Grant and Mineral counties. was charged at the time with 73 counts of possession of child pornography, 45 counts of sexual assault in the first degree for allegedly having sex with a child under age 11, nine counts of use of obscene matter with intent to seduce a minor, seven counts of display of obscene matter to a minor and two counts of employing a minor to do sexually explicit conduct, according to the West Virginia State Police.
Republican Delegate Robert McKee, known as an advocate for children's rights, is the focus of a child pornography investigation after officers searched his Hagerstown, Md home. McKee is not facing any charges right now, but as of today, Feb 15, 2008, he has resigned his position as both a state delegate and as executive director of the Big Brothers Big Sisters Club of Washington County. In a statement, McKee said he is entering treatment to, "get well and stay well." Shock waves echoed through Hagerstown, as the news that he was being investigated for child pornography spread like wildfire.
**We will be keeping an eye on this story for further developments** ***UPDATE*** - Robert Mckee entered a guilty plea of possessing child porn on September 6, 2008. He was sentenced to 3 years in prison on November 21, 2008. McKee's journals document that he simultaneously printed images of child pornography from the Internet and printed stories describing sexual acts between young boys and other young boys or adult men. Someone from McKee's home called the Washington County Sheriff's Department to tip off authorities and provided them with printed images from a computer.
Republican sex offender & Department of Children & Families press secretary Al Zimmerman, 40, was arrested Friday, Feb 1, 2008 and charged with eight felony charges of using a child in a sexual performance. According to an arrest report, Zimmerman offered two teens money in exchange for photographing them in sexual acts. The victims were ages 16 and 17 at the time of the crime, and at least one may have been in the care of DCF at one point, according to the report. Authorities believe some of the images date back to December 2005, the arrest report showed. Zimmerman is suspected of taking photos as recently as Friday, the report showed.
The Republican Mayor, who is also the Pastor of the Temple Lot Church in Collins Missouri, a town in St. Clair County, is accused of trying to convince someone whom he thought was a teenage girl to meet him for sex. Diamond police say Allen D Kauffman is charged in Newton County with four counts of enticement of a child after an online investigation that began in mid-November.
Diamond Police Detective Jim Murray says he posed as a 13-year-old girl named Cindy and was approached by a man who used the screen name duke dukeadk on Nov. 15 about noon in an online chat room.
Murray says Kauffman discussed meeting her to take nude photos and to have sex. Over the course of seven conversations during the past two months, transcripts show each chat was sexually graphic. Murray say Kauffman recognized the girl’s age, and even showed some hesitation, teasing the girl about whether she could be a cop.
Police say Kauffman repeatedly asked the girl to use a webcam, and didn't wait long to use his. The detective saved some photos from a webcam on Kauffman's computer in his home in Collins.
Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, Wisconsin was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.
Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that "you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents." The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, " I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice." The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, "Just gotta go slow and very easy. I've done it plenty," according to detectives.
**UPDATE: John Atchison has killed himself. Detroit police confirmed Atchison's suicide death at 10:14 a.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2007. Good riddance, scumbag!

Skimmed over this material, what is this a blog hot sheet or something? Mayors and and state government staffers hardly compare to sitting federal legislators the caliber of Anthony Weiner and David Wu.

[TheRealThing]

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her 2 children by strapping them in their car seats and plunging them into a lake in South Carolina and blamed it on a black man. Beverly Russell admitted abusing Smith when she was 15 and continuing an incestuous relationship with her until shortly before she drowned her children in John D. Long Lake.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

There are some big fish in this list 23, though most are far below the level of federal legislators. I'll address the one's at the federal level and these guys are trully scumbags; Lukens scandal is from 1989, Dan Crane scandal is from 1983 and Bauman is from 1980. I usually don't post sensational news unless it's at least as new as 2000 and after. LOL

This isn't about picking on democrats, it's about the credibility of federal lawmakers. You can bet if a republican does something like Weiner or Wu did I'd have just as much contempt for him/her. One can scarcely believe a word that the dems are saying these days, it goes to character. For example, Reid comes up with a debt ceiling deal that promises 2.7 trillion in spending cuts. It comes out in the last couple days that most of those cuts are once again smoke and mirrors just like in the recent budget negotiations Boehner got duped on. It turns out that of the 2.7 tillion, 1 tillion of that figure is attributed to the impossible scenario that IF the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to run 10 more years THAT would cost 1 trillion and since they're not going to let that happen we will be cutting that 1 trillion from the budget over 10 years. That's bogus accouting or stretching the truth or whatever, but, it certainly isn't 1 tillion in cuts. Now turning attention to the remaining 1.7 tillion. Would you bet your house the rest of the 1.7 in cuts are for real?

[zaga_fan]

Actually it is. Wu is 55 years old and the divorced father of two children, the oldest would be about 15 years old. How would you like it if you were a 15 year old high schooler. The son of the US Representative from Oregon, whose main claim to fame is a self inflicted picture of himself in a tiger suit trying to be salacious, floating around on the world wide web and national news? Add to that the particularly demeaning media coverage regarding his depraved personal dealings with the opposite sex, that fall far short of fitting for a US legislator.

If this guy was your next door neighbor and just worked at wal-mart you'd tell your wife and daughter to avoid him at all costs. How much higher should the standard of personal judgement be for a guy who writes US law?

I know Clinton lowered the standard of behavior for those in high elected office down to the level of a back door massage parlor madam. But, I was never able to realign my expectations for those in government quite that low.

I get what your saying.
What he did was pretty gross and negatively impacted the lives of his friends and family....
It's sick, it's awful...
but does the fact that he likes to get freaky with 18 year olds mean he can't vote on a bill.

[TheRealThing]

I just think that people that make US Law should have a measure of integrity. What they do in their private lives is the true revelation of what and Wu they really are. If they cannot demonstrate sound judgement when they are out of the public eye why should we trust their judgement when they write, debate, amend and vote on the bills that become the law of the land? Will they put the country first or a political mind set/agenda? How can we trust people that are known liars when they get up on national TV and lay out their case to the public at large? It's not like they could check their sexual depravity at the door of the Senate or House Chambers when they go to work.

I don't know how Americans can trust perverts to make any decisions about matters that affect them and their families. Much less, craft legislation that puts another hand on the helm of our future and our children's future. To me this whole matter is healthy and shows the system still works. The natural elimination of people who have been put into a position of leadership that they do not deserve. Once they find themselves in the toilet somebody just needs to pull the handle. :flush: And, I would add that it wouldn't make the least bit of difference to me what their party affiliation was, I would feel the same about a D or an R.

[Hoot Gibson]

I get what your saying.
What he did was pretty gross and negatively impacted the lives of his friends and family....
It's sick, it's awful...
but does the fact that he likes to get freaky with 18 year olds mean he can't vote on a bill.

So, if Wu is guilty of the accusation made by that 18-year old, it should make no difference because he is capable of casing a vote? That is a pretty low bar you are setting. If sexual abuse or rape is not a disqualifer, what about murder?

Maybe we should just skip the formalities of voting and just use prison labor to fill the 535 slots in Congress, as well as their staffs. That would save a substantial amount in salaries and pensions. Prisoners in states such as North Carolina do a good job removing litter from the nation's highways - that is more beneficial than the laws that have been passed by Obama and his cohorts in Congress. Why not just give convicted felons their shot at making laws. Could they do much worse than the socialists who have been making them?

Seriously, do we want people sociopaths and psychopaths spending trillions of dollars and depriving us of more of our liberty? Put Wu in the TSA where forcibly assaulting 18 year old women is just part of the job description.

[Wildcatk23]

Forcibly Assaulting?

[Hoot Gibson]

Forcibly Assaulting?

If you are pointing out that using "forcibly" with "assaulting" is redundant, then I concede the point. If you are expressing surprise at the nature of the allegation, then I will point out that you mounted a spirited defense without even determining what you were defending, based entirely upon Wu's party affiliation.

From an article in the Oregonian:

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Wu announced his planned resignation Tuesday, following a story by The Oregonian that the 18-year-old daughter of a friend had accused him of an aggressive and unwanted sexual encounter. Wu said he will leave after the vote on the debt ceiling. That probably means next week. Link

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A similar allegation was made against Wu by a former girlfriend when he was still a college student.

This low-life does not deserve defending, except in the legal sense of the word, and most of the long list of Republicans that you smeared by lumping them in with this guy do not deserve that either. This scandal is not about a married Congressman having kinky sex with an 18-year old girl.

[Wildcatk23]

If you are pointing out that using "forcibly" with "assaulting" is redundant, then I concede the point. If you are expressing surprise at the nature of the allegation, then I will point out that you mounted a spirited defense without even determining what you were defending, based entirely upon Wu's party affiliation.

From an article in the Oregonian:

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A similar allegation was made against Wu by a former girlfriend when he was still a college student.

This low-life does not deserve defending, except in the legal sense of the word, and most of the long list of Republicans that you smeared by lumping them in with this guy do not deserve that either. This scandal is not about a married Congressman having kinky sex with an 18-year old girl.

I had only read what was on here, I really couldnt care less about Democrat Or Republican Scumbags. Its not worth me wasting my time over. I admit i had no idea this was an Assault. With saying so it is unfortunate that this happened, And i hope he gets what he deserves.

I merely posted all the republican scandals just to point out it happens on both sides, weather there the truth or lies.

[TheRealVille]

If you are pointing out that using "forcibly" with "assaulting" is redundant, then I concede the point. If you are expressing surprise at the nature of the allegation, then I will point out that you mounted a spirited defense without even determining what you were defending, based entirely upon Wu's party affiliation.

From an article in the Oregonian:

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A similar allegation was made against Wu by a former girlfriend when he was still a college student.

This low-life does not deserve defending, except in the legal sense of the word, and most of the long list of Republicans that you smeared by lumping them in with this guy do not deserve that either. This scandal is not about a married Congressman having kinky sex with an 18-year old girl.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You know as well as I, that not all allegations against high profile people are true.

[Hoot Gibson]

I had only read what was on here, I really couldnt care less about Democrat Or Republican Scumbags. Its not worth me wasting my time over. I admit i had no idea this was an Assault. With saying so it is unfortunate that this happened, And i hope he gets what he deserves.

I merely posted all the republican scandals just to point out it happens on both sides, weather there the truth or lies.

Now you say that you don't care but you cared enough to find a list of mostly obscure Republicans, some of whom were never even elected to office to show that Republicans were guilty of the same sort of thing that Wu had done. The problem is that you had no idea what Wu had done, making your moral equivalency argument as watertight as a sieve.

It seems to me that a more accurate characterization of your interest in this story is that you don't care what Democrat scumbags do, just the Republican ones. If you didn't care about either, then you would have just skipped this thread.

[Hoot Gibson]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You know as well as I, that not all allegations against high profile people are true.

Did you read the post that I quoted? Let me translate part of it for you.

This low-life does not deserve defending, except in the legal sense of the word, and most of the long list of Republicans that you smeared by lumping them in with this guy do not deserve that either. This scandal is not about a married Congressman having kinky sex with an 18-year old girl.

When I told WCF23 that this lowlife does not deserve defending, I meant that he does not deserve the effort that WCF23 expended in his defense. The words in blue mean that Wu does deserve a legal defense in a court of law, if that becomes necessary.

"Innocent until proven guilty" has no meaning outside of court. None of us are legally barred from drawing our own conclusions about an individual's guilt or innocence. Wu has elected to resign rather than defend himself in the court of public opinion. Maybe like OJ, he will search for the man that abused these women on America's finest golf courses.

My biggest problem is that Democrats are once again willing to let a Congressman who very likely committed a felony to hang around long enough to help block a Republican-sponsored debt ceiling bill. They did the same thing in the Dan Rostenkowski case. Everybody knew that Rosty was a thief who was headed to prison but Clinton and his supporters' primary concern was that he remain in Congress long enough to help get a bill passed before he was indicted.

Wu will probably never be charged criminally but how many people do you know who have been falsely charged by two different women of sexual abuse or rape over a span of more than 30 years? It is theoretically possible that Wu is an innocent man and if he is indicted, then nobody is suggesting that he be treated as a guilty man by our legal system prior to a trial.