[Mr.Kimball]

Gestapo tactics involved torture, didn't they? The "sausage making" is the process, was the process, and has always been the process. "Politics" is an art form, of necessity, given the nature of human beings. The pundits, right and left, all said the "test of leadership" thing, with those on the right hoping he'd fail, those on the left hoping it would pass, obviously. Geez, Kimball, you often crow on here about how old and wise you are... seem pretty naive about the process for all that boasting.

Just taking the man at his word is all batman. Just taking the man at his word. Did he not say all that? Sure he did. You've got a "liar god", plain and simple.