[The Urban Sombrero]

Donald Trump in 2005 on a tour bus says he made a move on a married woman and was unsuccessful. Says he just loves pretty women. Says that women find wealthy and famous men an aphrodisiac and will often surrender themselves freely to such men, and uses "bitch" to refer to a woman.

Now, that isn't going to get you on the cover of The Evangelical Times, but it is more, to me, a scene and play about the way men often interact with each other when women aren't around than some sort of proof that Trump actually disrespects women.

I hope this story goes away quickly.

[Granny Bear]

Well, Bill was accused of doing the same things while holding the Governor's and President's position, and THAT went away quickly so I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

[Hoot Gibson]

Donald Trump is a disgusting pig of a man and Hillary Clinton is an even more disgusting excuse of a human being. The problem is, the Clintons are far more experienced in character assassination than Trump is. IMO, this race is over and all that is left to be decided is the margin. Hillary will continue to deflect attention from what should be political career ending scandals by flooding the airwaves and the internet with images and sounds of Trump being Trump.

The polls throughout the GOP primaries
showed that Trump would be a very weak general campaign candidate and he has done nothing to undermine the validity of those polls.

This race could be billed as the Clash of the Titanics. The worst Democratic nominee in history versus the worst Republican nominee in history. Our political class has merged with our criminal class. This nation will be lucky to survive the next four years.

[Granny Bear]

I actually agree with 90% of your post, but what happens after this?

I feel that it is an entire waste of my vote to go with any other choice than one of these two.

I have voted for the lesser of two evils before and I can do it again.

[Hoot Gibson]

I actually agree with 90% of your post, but what happens after this?

I feel that it is an entire waste of my vote to go with any other choice than one of these two.

I have voted for the lesser of two evils before and I can do it again.

It's just sad that the lesser of two evils seems to get a little more evil every four years - and it did not have to be this way for this election. Clear alternatives were available to Republican primary voters and they chose to squander an opportunity to buck the trend.

[Granny Bear]

Now Hoot!! Even YOU must admit that Trump "bucks the trend"!!!

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[TheRealThing]

I guarantee this tape didn't just now show up. They had it and were saving it to be released to offset the damage if and when WikiLeaks followed through with the October surprise. Now, I was busy all day today so I didn't get to hear much on TV, but what I heard was all Trump and calls for him to step down. In the face of what I have seen the last 6 months that is laughable.

Two things about the tape. Most of the men I have known in my time have said something near to what was on said tape. And, there is no defense and could be no defense if after having said something like that, it were to be played in public. 99.99 percent of the time that men say crude stuff it just goes away, not this time.

The Donald has been laying it on hot and heavy with regard to the character and record of the Clintons and as we have seen, that can be a two edged sword. Still, now is the time to pivot to the issues and stay there. Those who were not going to vote for Trump are up and crowing to their own detriment, so in that regard nothing much has changed. There is still time to get this behind him and even time enough for undecided independents, Dems who will not vote for Hillary, and the disenfranchised Sanders voters to go with him in spite of all. After watching these same guys in action against Romney, I knew the efforts to slime Trump would be epic and Lord knows they have been. Locker room crudeness is certainly ugly, but in comparison to what we know about the other side it is nothing. There have been no FBI investigations, revealed national secrets, WikiLeak dumps, or the dozens of other scandals brought to bear against Trump. Only a case of potty mouth when he didn't know he was being recorded. Nor did he suggest politicians must a have face to show the public, and a different one under which they operate.

[Granny Bear]

You know, the thing that frustrates me the most is how biased the media is on reporting for Clinton versus Trump. I mean, what was Bill doing in 2005?

What Trump said was sickening, but what was SHE saying/doing 11 years ago? Also, what would she be reporting if she didn't know she was being recorded. I also wonder how much it cost her campaign to review literally thousands of hours of recordings to find this little jewel.

If Hillary was so put off by what Trump said, why was her FIRST response "he should never be President." Obviously that is what's most important to her.

Trump was never my first choice, but he is my choice now.

This may sink him, and if it does I shudder to think what 4 years of HRC will do to our nation.

[TheRealThing]

Well, if it doesn't sink him it has certainly hurt him badly. The polls don't show it yet though, and if he faces up to it like a man tonight he could dodge another bad week.

But you hit on something that not many have mentioned. Trump is being challenged on every hand, being vetted by anybody and everybody. The media have phalanxes of rabid investigators out there turning over rocks to see if they can dig up something on Trump. The questions, which he submits himself to freely BTW, that reporters rain onto him are very confrontational. And the stories questioning his integrity and ability are endless.

Hillary on the other hand doesn't answer questions and hasn't answered questions for over a year. But does that give the media pause? Nope, they keep right on slugging for her, even to the point of giving her cover. So-called debate moderators have been all over Trump about so many things, while she has been granted immunity from their prying eyes. She therefore has been able to run her own national PR campaign, framing her image in the people's minds, while castigating Trump for every blink. I call that propaganda, others can decide for themselves. And a point not often discussed that I heard on Lou Dobbs; Many of the sons and daughters of the powerful liberal press work for the Clinton Foundation. Imagine that.

Voters are going to have to rise above the food fight froth on their own. I hope they can.

[TheRealThing]

EXCERPT---
"Jerry Falwell Jr. on Sunday night said he believes the release of the damning audio of Donald Trump's lewd comments about women was the result of a "conspiracy among establishment Republicans."

READ MORE; http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Jerry-Fa...z4MpIIkM3E



Wow! Can anybody wrap their head around this one? When I said Republicans would dogpile Trump, little did I know. Lou Dobbs asked Falwell the obvious question; "Since Billy Bush of NBC's Today Show is being shown the door, and he is after all the cousin of Jeb and George W, did he have anything to do with all this?" W and Jeb are furious with Trump and have even said they intend to vote for Hillary. So, the tape then is courtesy of indignant Republicans?

During the interview I just heard on Lou Dobbs, Falwell said he'd gotten wind of a guarantee made by GOP establishment elites some months back. According to Falwell, the guarantee was that Trump would not be the nominee on Nov 8th. I didn't realize this but it seems Falwell is a lawyer himself, and had already contacted the proper authorities with the information he had received. So here is my out-on-the-thin-ice prediction; This will turn out to be a shot in the arm for the Trump campaign. And further, those of the upper echelons of the GOP who began instantaneously tweeting nasty indictments of Trump's character, will see their condemnations backfire in their establishment faces.

Meanwhile, WikiLeaks has so far not disappointed. The revelations to date are jaw dropping.

[Bob Seger]

EXCERPT---
"Jerry Falwell Jr. on Sunday night said he believes the release of the damning audio of Donald Trump's lewd comments about women was the result of a "conspiracy among establishment Republicans."

READ MORE; http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Jerry-Fa...z4MpIIkM3E



Wow! Can anybody wrap their head around this one? When I said Republicans would dogpile Trump, little did I know. Lou Dobbs asked Falwell the obvious question; "Since Billy Bush of NBC's Today Show is being shown the door, and he is after all the cousin of Jeb and George W, did he have anything to do with all this?" W and Jeb are furious with Trump and have even said they intend to vote for Hillary. So, the tape then is courtesy of indignant Republicans?

During the interview I just heard on Lou Dobbs, Falwell said he'd gotten wind of a guarantee made by GOP establishment elites some months back. According to Falwell, the guarantee was that Trump would not be the nominee on Nov 8th. I didn't realize this but it seems Falwell is a lawyer himself, and had already contacted the proper authorities with the information he had received. So here is my out-on-the-thin-ice prediction; This will turn out to be a shot in the arm for the Trump campaign. And further, those of the upper echelons of the GOP who began instantaneously tweeting nasty indictments of Trump's character, will see their condemnations backfire in their establishment faces.

Meanwhile, WikiLeaks has so far not disappointed. The revelations to date are jaw dropping.

I hadn't seen the comment by Falwell, but I thought that very same thing as a possibility when discussing it with a friend today.

[TheRealThing]

I hadn't seen the comment by Falwell, but I thought that very same thing as a possibility when discussing it with a friend today.

I knew there was a reason Jeb was hard to stomach, but I didn't know George was capable of voting for Hillary until he actually came out and said so. If all this is true the Bushes are officially in my dog house for life. I actually thought the tape was dredged up thanks to the efforts of the DNC, not former Presidents and candidates. The Billy Bush angle is the thing that scares me though.

Another little tidbit was in an email released by Wiki. In that particular email the DNC Chair was saying that she sometimes gets the questions before debates, and earmarked one she said looked like it could be troublesome for Hill. I had suspected collusion between Crowley and the Obama camp in the second debate, and it looks like that could have been well founded. What's that old saying? You can even cheat fair?

[Hoot Gibson]

If Trump was trying to destroy the Republican Party, what would he be doing differently than what he is doing now? IMO, he has thrown in the towel and already begun blaming the GOP for his own irresponsible and incompetent campaign. Hillary Clinton has done her part in throwing the election and Donald Trump has refused to accept the gift.

[Granny Bear]

I disagree Hoot.

It's the GOP that has systematically tried to destroy Trump. Trump isn't a seasoned politician...a trait that I particularly liked. Everyone, GOP, Hillary, news media, etc has taken full advantage of that.

I also read the article about Hillary's campaign receiving the questions beforehand.

Trump may not be the best option, but I resent the fact that he isn't able to lose fairly.

[TheRealThing]

I disagree Hoot.

It's the GOP that has systematically tried to destroy Trump. Trump isn't a seasoned politician...a trait that I particularly liked. Everyone, GOP, Hillary, news media, etc has taken full advantage of that.

I also read the article about Hillary's campaign receiving the questions beforehand.

Trump may not be the best option, but I resent the fact that he isn't able to lose fairly.

He's just worried that a few folks will see the irony here and snap out of any question as to who the best option is, is. One of said options said some things he'd like to take back but which did not hurt anyone, (haven't we all?). And who BTW, despite his lack of political experience and propensity for New York crassitudes, is nonetheless very likely more qualified to be President. While the other has been proven to be a liar. In support of which are a veritable Library of Alexandria's worth of emails recovered from cyber infinity by FBI Director James Comey, many more were procured by lawsuit, and thousands more were released as hacked by the founder of WikiLeaks. But you're right Granny, Trump is fighting on three fronts. The Dems, the media and the power jokers, I mean brokers, of his own party. And let's understand something here. We've just gone through 8 years of a micro managed government and the result of which has been to see the American oak reduced to a stump. Trump will allow cabinet members and others in authority to do their jobs. He will like Ronald Reagan, delegate authority and responsibility into qualified hands. And no matter what Hoot and the rest of the #deniers have to say against Trump, the significance of the coming appointments to the SC could not be overstated. And then there is the glaring annoyance of the outcome of the presidential primaries in which the people chose a nominee only to see party establishment reject that nominee. That's a true picture of freedom now isn't it?

Then we have the laughable scenario meant to provide cover for the inexcusable in which Dems insist Americans should reject all those Wiki emails on grounds of patriotism. We should not allow Putin to influence the outcome of this election they say. Forget the fact that Wiki has been the one stepping up to accommodate the people's right to know concerning the maneuverings of madam Secretary of State. BTW, since when did the people's business become none of the people's business? Talk about your reversal of fortunes, but it is as I have said from the outset when it became apparent that The Donald was going to be our nominee; The people are sick of being hazed and talked to as if they're too stupid or too insignificant to care if they're used like some kind of lower life form by establishment elites. That's the secret to Trump's success, not because they're a basket of deplorables. In fact as one leaked email confirms, it is Hillary whose success depends in no small measure to the cooperation of uninformed voters.

It is a sad state of affairs when the people are forced to look to Julian Assange and Dinesh D'souza to learn the truth about back room dealings and our own history. BTW, one email confirms that NBC had the Trump tape in August but chose to release it at time to cause "maximum damage," the day before the debate.

[The Urban Sombrero]

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I would point out that no member of the media suggested that fame and fortune create a carte blanche in which walking up and kissing a woman and grabbing her Virginia = normative behavior for the uber privileged male.

I would point out that mindlessly drinking from the fountain of alt right media sources is its own specimen of being uninformed.

I would point out that politics is an art and that art is somewhat lost on DJT. Winning national elections circa 2016 requires discipline and adherance to positions that resonate to the majority, hammering home the message day by day by day. It is not the media who is to blame for Mr. Trump's seeming ADD in this regard.

[TheRealThing]

I would point out that to date, there is only >one< very strategically released tape on Trump's not so polished interest in women, versus uncounted thousands of official government emails and other documents on a wide range of deplorables for the other. Past that, one was on his own time, and the other was on the people's time. Capiche?

[The Urban Sombrero]

I would point out that to date, there is only >one< very strategically released tape on Trump's not so polished interest in women, versus uncounted thousands of official government emails and other documents on a wide range of deplorables for the other. Past that, one was on his own time, and the other was on the people's time. Capiche?

Bill Clinton has already been President and is not on the ballot.

I have expressed here that I hope voters do not cast a ballot based on this one tape. However, the media is not to blame for Bill Clinton courting Jennifer Flowers and others, nor is it to blame for Mr. Trump on Howard Stern or on a tour bus spouting a lot of rot.

The public, it seems to me, is aware of the email situation, is aware that HRC often functions as a ruthless politician, and, at this point, probably is leaning toward electing her and not Mr. Trump. You will, undoubtedly, castigate the voters on November 9th if HRC wins, and predict the downfall of America. I will do neither, and unless something changes, I'm not voting for her.

[TheRealThing]

Bill Clinton has already been President and is not on the ballot.

I have expressed here that I hope voters do not cast a ballot based on this one tape. However, the media is not to blame for Bill Clinton courting Jennifer Flowers and others, nor is it to blame for Mr. Trump on Howard Stern or on a tour bus spouting a lot of rot.

The public, it seems to me, is aware of the email situation, is aware that HRC often functions as a ruthless politician, and, at this point, probably is leaning toward electing her and not Mr. Trump. You will, undoubtedly, castigate the voters on November 9th if HRC wins, and predict the downfall of America. I will do neither, and unless something changes, I'm not voting for her.

All well and good. Still. I was in no way alluding to Billy boy's well documented problems with self control.

Mine was to point out that if we merely take the record of the two candidates in a face value comparison, there is no comparison. Remarks on a bus versus Hill's record of public service stand on their own, and they aren't even remotely in the same league.

The media, whom you seem to want to defend, have been VERY reluctant to bring up issues of her record which though inconvenient, are at this time of material interest to the people.

[The Urban Sombrero]

All well and good. Still. I was in no way alluding to Billy boy's well documented problems with self control.

Mine was to point out that if we merely take the record of the two candidates in a face value comparison, there is no comparison. Remarks on a bus versus Hill's record of public service stand on their own, and they aren't even remotely in the same league.

The media, whom you seem to want to defend, have been VERY reluctant to bring up issues of her record which though inconvenient, are at this time of material interest to the people.

Not defending the media, except to say if you give a monkey a bag of poo, you can't hardly complain when he throws it at you.

[TheRealThing]

Not defending the media, except to say if you give a monkey a bag of poo, you can't hardly complain when he throws it at you.

Well, Miss Hillary deposited an 18 wheel dump truck load of it, so much so that all them monkeys have stomped it all over the place, still they've not thrown any of it her way.

[Hoot Gibson]

I disagree Hoot.

It's the GOP that has systematically tried to destroy Trump. Trump isn't a seasoned politician...a trait that I particularly liked. Everyone, GOP, Hillary, news media, etc has taken full advantage of that.

I also read the article about Hillary's campaign receiving the questions beforehand.

Trump may not be the best option, but I resent the fact that he isn't able to lose fairly.

There is no upside for Trump attacking fellow Republicans the way that he has done. It is true that overall, Congress is very unpopular, but individual incumbents generally have a substantial majority of Republican support among their constituents. Attacking Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and other popular Republicans is just plain stupid because he cannot afford to turn off any more Republican voters than he has already done.

Hillary Clinton is without doubt the worst nominee who has ever run for president as a Democrat and Donald Trump is losing to her by a substantial margin.

What Trump should be saying is that Republicans running for re-election should campaign in a way that gives them the best chance of winning. Then he should add that he looks forward to working with them for the next four years. Instead, he has threatened to create super PACs to defeat Republicans in primaries. Every second that Trump spends attacking other Republicans is a second wasted that could have been spent attacking Hillary.

[jetpilot]

There is no upside for Trump attacking fellow Republicans the way that he has done. It is true that overall, Congress is very unpopular, but individual incumbents generally have a substantial majority of Republican support among their constituents. Attacking Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and other popular Republicans is just plain stupid because he cannot afford to turn off any more Republican voters than he has already done.

Hillary Clinton is without doubt the worst nominee who has ever run for president as a Democrat and Donald Trump is losing to her by a substantial margin.

What Trump should be saying is that Republicans running for re-election should campaign in a way that gives them the best chance of winning. Then he should add that he looks forward to working with them for the next four years. Instead, he has threatened to create super PACs to defeat Republicans in primaries. Every second that Trump spends attacking other Republicans is a second wasted that could have been spent attacking Hillary.

Same goes for idiot spineless feckless Republicans who are helping Hillary win by attacking and/or abandoning Trump.

[Hoot Gibson]

Same goes for idiot spineless feckless Republicans who are helping Hillary win by attacking and/or abandoning Trump.

That's true, but Trump does not have any control over anybody's actions but his own. I despise Ryan almost as much as I did Boehner. I am not suggesting that Trump go easy on Ryan for Ryan's sake - it is in his own best interest to do so. I would love to see Ryan and McConnell replaced, but now is not the time for Trump to be attacking Republicans.

[Granny Bear]

Ryan attacked Trump, and Trump attacked Ryan in defense.

I consider that a mitigating factor.

Also, why should Trump bow to those RINOs?

[Hoot Gibson]

Ryan attacked Trump, and Trump attacked Ryan in defense.

I consider that a mitigating factor.

Also, why should Trump bow to those RINOs?

Saying that he won't defend indefensible comments made by Trump 11 years ago is not attacking Trump and telling House Republicans to campaign to retain their seats is not attacking Trump. Trump should not bow to anybody but he should refrain from personally attacking Republicans if he wants to win the election. And - should somebody who avoided the draft by using a bone spur and a series of college deferments to avoid military service really be talking about who he does not want to serve in a foxhole with?

Trump cannot win without Republican support and he is campaigning like he does not want the votes of those who do not support him 100 percent. He should accept the votes of nose-holders and be thankful for their votes if it helps him win the election. The "shackles" of which Trump spoke were protecting him from himself and had helped him quickly close the gap on Hillary. Kellyanne Conway is the only reason Trump still has any chance of winning.

Trump should be far ahead of his criminal opponent but instead he is far behind with the clock running down. He can't afford to continue making unforced errors.

[vector]

Well you girls and guys sure know how to pick Em
Looks to me Trump is the White Man's Bill Cosby
But Bill did pay his Taxes

[Hoot Gibson]

Well you girls and guys sure know how to pick Em
Looks to me Trump is the White Man's Bill Cosby
But Bill did pay his Taxes

The Trumps have been close family friends of the Clintons for many years. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have both been mutual friends with serial rapist Jerry Epstein for a long time and both have been guests on his sex slave private island. Seeing Clinton supporters try to attack Trump from the moral high ground is hilarious. When it comes to morality, Trump, Bill, and Hillary dwell in the same swamp.

[jetpilot]

RNC pulling $$$ for ad campaigns is the final nail in the coffin. I will be changing my registration to IND and will literally light money on fire before I ever spend another cent on any politician as long as I live. :Hammer3:

[TheRealThing]

RNC pulling $$$ for ad campaigns is the final nail in the coffin. I will be changing my registration to IND and will literally light money on fire before I ever spend another cent on any politician as long as I live. :Hammer3:

Supposedly the arrangement made between Donald and the RNC was for him to finance the TV time, while the RNC financed the ground game. Trump said he was willing to spend 100 million in TV ads. He'd better darn well get on the stick.