[goBIGblue82]

Case BL-4-18- Do parents have options relative to holding
a student back in grade eight?
No, Kentucky Department of Education regulations place the
responsibility for promotion or retention of a student on school
personnel and not parents. Once “promoted” from the eighth
grade, a student’s four consecutive calendar year (8 semesters)
athletic eligibility period begins.
Verification as to the retention/promotino decision is the
responsibility of school personnel and may include such
things as STI records or other written documentation. Such
documentation should always be available for review until the
student graduates.

[goBIGblue82]

^ From the KHSAA handbook, if they have nothing to do with it why would they put a ruling about it in there handbook? Once again the parents aren't suppose to have any say in the matter.

[barrel]

Case BL-4-18- Do parents have options relative to holding
a student back in grade eight?
No, Kentucky Department of Education regulations place the
responsibility for promotion or retention of a student on school
personnel and not parents. Once “promoted” from the eighth
grade, a student’s four consecutive calendar year (8 semesters)
athletic eligibility period begins.
Verification as to the retention/promotino decision is the
responsibility of school personnel and may include such
things as STI records or other written documentation. Such
documentation should always be available for review until the
student graduates.

The above is referencing to a student's HS eligibilty. That ruling has nothing to do with a kid playing MS sports. The KHSAA is only going to look at things that relate to HS sports such as the above. They do not care one bit if little Jonnie plays 8th grade football, gets heldback and then plays 8th grade football again.

[cherokee]

First of all you keep repeating that Corbin doesn't play teams that have holdbacks. That is completely a lie, there has never been anything said that you cant have a kid that has been heldback on your team. It was that you cant have a kid who is being heldback play a consecutive year at that grade level.
Secondly we didnt kick Bell or Whitley out of the conference. There was a vote on Bell county because of there many failures to abide my conference rules and what is best for the conference. And YOUR coach was one of the ones who voted for them to be gone.hh: As for your team you easily had the chance to stay in the conference your coach and school administration decided that it would be best not to, since you didn't want the same policies as everyone else in the conference.
Thirdly I'm sure the KHSAA would look into it if the issue was brought to there attention. I know of twice when there has been players who tried to be held back in the eighth grade, but the KHSAA investigated and those kids were not allowed. I graduated with one and I'm sure of it. If there is not JUST reason for a kid to be retained in his current grade (academic reasons) then he should be promoted to the next grade. And if you would learn how to read you would know that it is up to each site base council to decide if a kid is allowed to play during there holdback season, but it can be ruled that kid shouldnt be eligible to be retained by higher powers.

Shall I call you Coach? Since you have listed as your occupation as Coach on your profile. Coach, explain this phrase you have written above, ("abide by my conference rules")? By the way, what's with this phrase, ("brought to there attention")? Are you talking about a place or a group of people? No one on this topic has given you any support; everyone seems to know and accept the rules although MANY may not favor them. COACH, YOU ARE ENVY WITH JEALOUSY. After reviewing your grammar skills maybe you should have been retained for another year.

[LCHS MS Football]

We really appreciate the comments regarding the effort of the KYMSFA. The annual meeting of the members included a long discussion about making additional provisions to the age/grade rule. With the lack of oversight by the KHSAA or another organization on a state level, we have tried to adopt uniform rules that we can all agree on. Any team that is a member of the KYMSFA is required to post the verified roster and acknowledge to the officials at each game that their team complies with the rules. Verified rosters are also required to participate in the state championship. If there is anything additional that can be done to provide responsible rules, please make every effort to volunteer your time and knowledge to improving middle school football in the Commonwealth.

KYMSFA

[cherokee]

We really appreciate the comments regarding the effort of the KYMSFA. The annual meeting of the members included a long discussion about making additional provisions to the age/grade rule. With the lack of oversight by the KHSAA or another organization on a state level, we have tried to adopt uniform rules that we can all agree on. Any team that is a member of the KYMSFA is required to post the verified roster and acknowledge to the officials at each game that their team complies with the rules. Verified rosters are also required to participate in the state championship. If there is anything additional that can be done to provide responsible rules, please make every effort to volunteer your time and knowledge to improving middle school football in the Commonwealth.

KYMSFA

W:blabbermo hats this got to do with the topic

[barrel]

W:blabbermo hats this got to do with the topic

The KYMSFA is a state group that is attempting to create an even playing field across the state while providing players with great oppertunities. So his statement has a good deal to do with the topic. The KYMSFA is trying to take the place of the KHSAA for middle school football. The KYMSFA is in charge of the middle school state championships.

Bell Co took part in the playoffs and Whitely would have if they had beaten Bell.

[under_armour]

Shall I call you Coach? Since you have listed as your occupation as Coach on your profile. Coach, explain this phrase you have written above, ("abide by my conference rules")? By the way, what's with this phrase, ("brought to there attention")? Are you talking about a place or a group of people? No one on this topic has given you any support; everyone seems to know and accept the rules although MANY may not favor them. COACH, YOU ARE ENVY WITH JEALOUSY. After reviewing your grammar skills maybe you should have been retained for another year.

Im not coach and i probably should have been retained for poor academics. But if your going to make fun of me for my typos thats fine but dont mis quote me and try to make me look bad. I did have a typo that when taken out of text says "abide my conference rules" that should have been "abide by conference rules". However you try to make it look even worst by saying i said "abide by my conference rules." I really dont care because it's not my son who might be risking HS eligilibility. I'm not going to get all stirred up over something as petty as this. I have nothing against the middles school rules pertaining to middle school athletes, but i really hope someone doesn't risk hurting there child, just to live out there own short comings. Im not looking for support on this like im in a court hearing ive only stated my opinions. As for the "brought to there attention" I was simply stating that in eighth my friend was trying to be heldback and then someone( not sure if it was KHSAA or Kentucky Board of Education) intervened and said it would effect his high school eligibility. I understand that this was because he was promoted from eighth grade and even if he was heldback his 4 years of eligibility would start. However now people are finding loopholes in the ruling and if there are the proper connections it seems that student athletes can be retained in the eighth grade without just cause. Im not sure how much investigation is put into these cases, just saying if investigated without proper documentation why a student was retained it might possibly end bad.

[goBIGblue82]

^Sorry that was me, I didnt realize my little bro was logged in.

[FF40212]

W:blabbermo hats this got to do with the topic

Easy there, boss. There have been a couple of times the KMSFA has been mentioned is all.

No one is interrupting your beef with gobigblue82! ha ha ha ha

:ChairHit:

[cherokee]

Easy there, boss. There have been a couple of times the KMSFA has been mentioned is all.

No one is interrupting your beef with gobigblue82! ha ha ha ha

:ChairHit:

Sorry, FF40212 didn't mean to be disrespectfull, hope you are enjoying this beef, I really should let up on those boy's a little.

[Shondue]

It has to be other than a parent retention to repeat the 8th grade and play sports in Pulaski county. Have a friend going through it now.:dontthink

[central fan]

the age to be able to play as a senior is 18 when school starts.........so some can be heldback 2 times and play as a senior my little brother will turn 19 after school starts his senior year, he was heldback twice. I dont think that is wrong. if he hadnt been held back twice 3rd and 7th he'd be 17 and graduating and at 17 you are not ready to make a life decision, but at 19 you are more mature and capable of making better choices.

[SEKYFAN]

Why would you hate that there would be an investigation? Who are you gonna call--"Ghost Busters"? The khsaa doesn't want to hear petty issues concerning middle school students who have not been promoted to the 9th grade-again each school follows their own site based policy concerning this matter. What part of following local administrative policy do you not understand? If you want to report schools following their own policy, the khsaa does not take phone calls or anonymous letters-it must be submitted with your signature. It's not who you know or who you got pull with-No rules have been broken! You have kicked Bell and Whitley out of your little conference so why are you concerned with the holdback issue since you don't play teams with holdbacks... Maybe this is a jealousy issue.

The kid at Whitley Co. that is repeating the 8th grade is risking his senior year in high school by doing so. He will have to go before the KHSAA before being granted eligibility his senior year, they may or may not let him play. There was a kid last year in a very similar circumstance and was not allowed to practice or play until the ruling was made after the season had started. I just can't see it being worth the gamble just to be an 8th grade star, although I feel the real reason goes back many years ago and is a whole another story. They think they have found a loophole in the rules by sending them back to the 7th grade(how a school can justify this is beyond me????????)during May of their first 8th grade year.
The rule on holdbacks as I understand is that they just cannot play the year they stay back, a rule that Corbin has had in place for many years.

[cherokee]

The kid at Whitley Co. that is repeating the 8th grade is risking his senior year in high school by doing so. He will have to go before the KHSAA before being granted eligibility his senior year, they may or may not let him play. There was a kid last year in a very similar circumstance and was not allowed to practice or play until the ruling was made after the season had started. I just can't see it being worth the gamble just to be an 8th grade star, although I feel the real reason goes back many years ago and is a whole another story. They think they have found a loophole in the rules by sending them back to the 7th grade(how a school can justify this is beyond me????????)during May of their first 8th grade year.
The rule on holdbacks as I understand is that they just cannot play the year they stay back, a rule that Corbin has had in place for many years.

Let me guess, you are a Corbin fan ha' ha' ha'. SEKYFAN, your post is full of crap-unless this kid was promoted to the 9th grade, the KHSAA has no authority with middle school athletics. Also, I don't think his age is a factor being he is only 14 years old. From what I understand, all schools don't have the same policy as Corbin. In addition, I watched this kid for the last 2 years and he dominated middle school (so you stating that he is wanting to be an 8th grade star is not an issue; he has already accomplished that). You don't need to be upset or jealous about this kid; you need to get educated on this subject because your post shows how inadequate you are on this matter. What I'm really interested in, is why this kid left Corbin-could the answer be in that whole other story you were talking about. Please tell... Why do you keep using this one kid from Whitley as an example when there are many schools in the 13th region area that have kids being held back. Example; Bell, Whitley, Clay, Corbin, Knox, and Williamsburg.

[SEKYFAN]

Let me guess, you are a Corbin fan ha' ha' ha'. SEKYFAN, your post is full of crap-unless this kid was promoted to the 9th grade, the KHSAA has no authority with middle school athletics. Also, I don't think his age is a factor being he is only 14 years old. From what I understand, all schools don't have the same policy as Corbin. In addition, I watched this kid for the last 2 years and he dominated middle school (so you stating that he is wanting to be an 8th grade star is not an issue; he has already accomplished that). You don't need to be upset or jealous about this kid; you need to get educated on this subject because your post shows how inadequate you are on this matter. What I'm really interested in, is why this kid left Corbin-could the answer be in that whole other story you were talking about. Please tell... Why do you keep using this one kid from Whitley as an example when there are many schools in the 13th region area that have kids being held back. Example; Bell, Whitley, Clay, Corbin, Knox, and Williamsburg.

Number one, I hope for nothing but the best for this kid. Secondly, I have no problem with kids staying back, that is a families decision that is their business. What I do not understand and what disappoints me is the Whitley Co. School System allowing kids to attend school as 8th graders for virtually the entire year so they can participate in sports as an 8th grader, then right before the end of the school year allowing the kid to move back to the 7th grade to circumvent the rules so that they can play sports as 8th graders again. I have a hard time believing that Mr. Prewitt approves of this, so it must come from the very top of the school system.

What does this tell you about the Whitley Co. School System and their priorities ?:yikes:

[barrel]

What rule are you refering too? Past a school system rule there is no rules for MS athletes past sports that allow MS athletes to play up on HS teams such as cross country and the such.

[goBIGblue82]

Please tell... Why do you keep using this one kid from Whitley as an example when there are many schools in the 13th region area that have kids being held back. Example; Bell, Whitley, Clay, Corbin, Knox, and Williamsburg.

The schools you have mentioned do have players that have been heldback, however those kids were held back in earlier grades or did not participate in sports during their holdback year. I dont have anything against holding a kid back in earlier grades if its going to be better for the kids later. However the problem i have is with the way Whitley Co. is doing it. A kid will be promoted from 7th grade to 8th and participate in sports his 8th grade year, and then at the end of his 8th grade year he is placed back into 7th grade. It just seems a little unethical to place a student back in a grade he was promoted from a year ago. So please tell... What is the reason for this kid to be heldback? Because as you already said " he has dominated middle school sports the last 2 years", he is already physically and emotionally mature, and has good academics. It seems that from a parent and player prospective that they would be ready to start with there high school career and move to bigger and better things. Where is the reasoning for him to be retained.

[cherokee]

The schools you have mentioned do have players that have been heldback, however those kids were held back in earlier grades or did not participate in sports during their holdback year. I dont have anything against holding a kid back in earlier grades if its going to be better for the kids later. However the problem i have is with the way Whitley Co. is doing it. A kid will be promoted from 7th grade to 8th and participate in sports his 8th grade year, and then at the end of his 8th grade year he is placed back into 7th grade. It just seems a little unethical to place a student back in a grade he was promoted from a year ago. So please tell... What is the reason for this kid to be heldback? Because as you already said " he has dominated middle school sports the last 2 years", he is already physically and emotionally mature, and has good academics. It seems that from a parent and player prospective that they would be ready to start with there high school career and move to bigger and better things. Where is the reasoning for him to be retained.

I thought for sure after that last stupid post you were done with this topic.
Is this Bigblue82 or underarmour, I don't know where you Corbin people get your info but you don't know what you are talking about. This going back to the 7th grade (what are you talking about). Whitley County has the finest facilities in the area, they give the parents a say in the future of their kids and it's all legal, as it is in Bell and a lot of other school systems. If you are so upset about Whitley go to your site base and ask them to change their policies on hold backs. Why are you Redhounds so upset over this kid,according to his dad coach Jewell stacked a little league allstar team placing his son and others none deserving on the team when he was 9 years old leaving this kid out. When this kids dad tried to find out who picked the team everyone lied about it,but he finally got the truth about the team being picked on the back of a truck tailgate by COACH Jewell and some Olson guy. I guess if you get screwed over at the age of 9 by the high school coach, you surely have no future there.
This kid's parents are both college educated so why would you question how they want to develop their childs future, they must be doing something right because he is one good looking athelete. bIG BLUE 82 leave this kid and his family alone, they don't worry about what's going on in Corbin.

[olballcoach]

In my opinion if a kid is held back or fails they should not be playing the next season. If they have failed they need to be worrying more about class work than football. If parents are holding them back then the school system needs to be looked at. I have a repeat 7th grader that came out and I sent him home the same day. This should not even be debated. I am as football crazy as the next person but there are things that are more important than football. What are these kids being tough? There is 99.9% chance none of them will ever make a living at football, so what is more important?

[cherokee]

In my opinion if a kid is held back or fails they should not be playing the next season. If they have failed they need to be worrying more about class work than football. If parents are holding them back then the school system needs to be looked at. I have a repeat 7th grader that came out and I sent him home the same day. This should not even be debated. I am as football crazy as the next person but there are things that are more important than football. What are these kids being tough? There is 99.9% chance none of them will ever make a living at football, so what is more important?

I hope you are not both a coach and teacher because your grammar is notorious. Maybe you should go back to the 7th grade to refreshen your grammar skills. Did you mean to say-what are those kids being taught instead of tough? Would you want a kid to graduate from high school at 17? Should we treat an 8th grader different than a 4th grader? Let me guess, Old Coach, your area doesn't have grade school sports programs. Every school has holdbacks on their team; what's the difference of being held back in the 4th grade or 8th, as long as you meet the age requirement? In those kids that were heldback in the 4th, 5th, or 6th grade-I would like to know who made that decision regarding retainment? Did the parents have any input on this decision?

[goBIGblue82]

. bIG BLUE 82 leave this kid and his family alone, they don't worry about what's going on in Corbin.

I haven't attacked this family in any way. Ive never mentioned any names, or called anyone out. I started this and asked if we could not make it personal, my argument was with the whitley co. football program not an individual. So i apologize if my statements caused any grief to anyone. Maybe if u wouldn't have been so quick to make personal attacks it wouldn't have gotten of topic.

[SEKYFAN]

What are the chances that this young man will be a different school(Letcher Central, Williamsburg, South Laurel, Clay Co.) next year anyway? If so, then I understand holding him back so that he will not have to sit out as a transfer. Whitley County is going to stay a grind it out running team if my sources are right, passing about 6-10 times a game. and this kid will be very good in a passing oriented offense and might be wasted in Whitley's offense.

[olballcoach]

I hope you are not both a coach and teacher because your grammar is notorious. Maybe you should go back to the 7th grade to refreshen your grammar skills. Did you mean to say-what are those kids being taught instead of tough? Would you want a kid to graduate from high school at 17? Should we treat an 8th grader different than a 4th grader? Let me guess, Old Coach, your area doesn't have grade school sports programs. Every school has holdbacks on their team; what's the difference of being held back in the 4th grade or 8th, as long as you meet the age requirement? In those kids that were heldback in the 4th, 5th, or 6th grade-I would like to know who made that decision regarding retainment? Did the parents have any input on this decision?

REALLY that's your answer to what we are teaching kids. You have no augment but to attack my grammar, nicely played. By the way it is, re-freshen, hold-backs, and retainment, maybe you need to try spell check. No I am not a teacher, but I am one of those former players that was told how great they were from an early age, held back to get better. So you can get off your high horse and stop attacking everyone on here to justify actions. Yes we do have grade school sports and if you fail you do not play the following year. I didn't realize that 17 was to young to graduate high school, I am sorry for not realizing that. So what should we do to stop this from happening? I'm sure there are hundreds of kids out there we must save from graduating at 17. At least use the some kids are not mature enough to go onto high school yet, or the some kids develop later than others and will get discouraged from playing if they move to high school team. If you would use these I could get on board with your argument, but, the your grammar is notorious and 17 is to young to graduate that's weak. Nice use of the word notorious though.

[FF40212]

I'm obviously not a Corbin fan and would like to hear the reason the boy was placed back into the 7th grade 2 weeks before the end of last school year?

If he has "dominated" at the eighth grade level, Whitley has great facilities, and he was strong academically, what is the reason for him to repeat 8th grade?

[FF40212]

I hope you are not both a coach and teacher because your grammar is notorious. Maybe you should go back to the 7th grade to refreshen your grammar skills. Did you mean to say-what are those kids being taught instead of tough? Would you want a kid to graduate from high school at 17? Should we treat an 8th grader different than a 4th grader? Let me guess, Old Coach, your area doesn't have grade school sports programs. Every school has holdbacks on their team; what's the difference of being held back in the 4th grade or 8th, as long as you meet the age requirement? In those kids that were heldback in the 4th, 5th, or 6th grade-I would like to know who made that decision regarding retainment? Did the parents have any input on this decision?

You are out of line, dude. Nit-picking someone's grammar is cowardly. You must be out of ammo?

[FF40212]

Let me guess, you are a Corbin fan ha' ha' ha'. SEKYFAN, your post is full of crap-unless this kid was promoted to the 9th grade, the KHSAA has no authority with middle school athletics. Also, I don't think his age is a factor being he is only 14 years old. From what I understand, all schools don't have the same policy as Corbin. In addition, I watched this kid for the last 2 years and he dominated middle school (so you stating that he is wanting to be an 8th grade star is not an issue; he has already accomplished that). You don't need to be upset or jealous about this kid; you need to get educated on this subject because your post shows how inadequate you are on this matter. What I'm really interested in, is why this kid left Corbin-could the answer be in that whole other story you were talking about. Please tell... Why do you keep using this one kid from Whitley as an example when there are many schools in the 13th region area that have kids being held back. Example; Bell, Whitley, Clay, Corbin, Knox, and Williamsburg.

Not so fast my fine feathered friend, if he is 14 now and turns 15 before next August 1st that will make him 19 before August 1st of 2014 which would make him 19 years old and 100% INELIGIBLE according to the KHSAA.

[goBIGblue82]

Jewell stacked a little league allstar team placing his son and others none deserving on the team when he was 9 years old leaving this kid out. When this kids dad tried to find out who picked the team everyone lied about it,but he finally got the truth about the team being picked on the back of a truck tailgate by COACH Jewell and some Olson guy. I guess if you get screwed over at the age of 9 by the high school coach, you surely have no future there.

I can honestly say i have no idea what you are talking about here, but i guess i can see where your resentment for corbin comes from. I didn't know there were allstar teams for little league football, but if so i could definately see this kid being on it. There are a lot of kids that play in these leagues and I'm sure some that deserve to be on the team don't make it. However, what kind of person would degrade kids (none of those kids deserved it). None of the kids picked who was named to the all-star team. I'm sorry but I just can't agree with you on this. At this age most kids are just learning the game, I dont see how they can be called not deserving. And I wouldn't consider a kids career to be over if he indeed did not make a 9 year old all-star team.

[SEKYFAN]

Not so fast my fine feathered friend, if he is 14 now and turns 15 before next August 1st that will make him 19 before August 1st of 2014 which would make him 19 years old and 100% INELIGIBLE according to the KHSAA.

He won't turn 19 until after school starts his senior year. He looks like he could be 16 or 17, but I understand that he will turn 15 this fall.

[SEKYFAN]

I can honestly say i have no idea what you are talking about here, but i guess i can see where your resentment for corbin comes from. I didn't know there were allstar teams for little league football, but if so i could definately see this kid being on it. There are a lot of kids that play in these leagues and I'm sure some that deserve to be on the team don't make it. However, what kind of person would degrade kids (none of those kids deserved it). None of the kids picked who was named to the all-star team. I'm sorry but I just can't agree with you on this. At this age most kids are just learning the game, I dont see how they can be called not deserving. And I wouldn't consider a kids career to be over if he indeed did not make a 9 year old all-star team.

It was 9 and 10 year old baseball all-stars. I had a kid in the league that year and the child who did not make the team was probably on the bubble along with 6-7 others, so I think they let the all-star coaches make the call on the last few picked for the team. It happens every year in every little league across the country, but the parents thought their was a personal vendetta against them and threatened to sue the local little league and also had some words with the coach. The same coach had a AAU basketball team that fall and decided not to ask the same kid to play, which I guess was the final straw and resulted in them moving 3 of their 4 kids to the Whitley school system. They are good people, they just can't let go of these incidents and HATE the Corbin school system because of it.
The kid has some talent and with the proper coaching will be an excellent high school QB.