[OrangenowBlue]

[quote=Mad Dog 420]I believe this is the right decision by Paintsville to allow the selling of alcohol. Not because I'm a big fan of drinking or drunks in general but no matter what you do it's going to be around. By allowing the purchase of alcohol the county will make more money from tax revenues and keep business at home instead of losing it to the surrounding counties. Keeping it outlawed only shows stubbornness of the city and it's unwillingness to change with the times.[/QUOTE]


Change with the times??? What does that mean? What does the times have to do with selling alcohol?

Nobody ever did answer my question of how legalizing alcohol just for the sake of creating tax revenue is any different than legalizing oxycontin or crystal meth to create tax revenue. Why cant the statement that a meth head is going to find it and buy it anyway, so the town might as well get the dopeheads money apply here? What's the difference?

I believe Oxycontin is legal. It is a controlled substance. The way it is used and distributed by most people is illegal. Kentucky is one of the few states that has wet and dry counties. Is the dry counties in this state better off financially and morally than other counties across this country. If you think they are, I got some ocean front property in Knott County I will sell you. Do you really believe that people who drink and drive are only going to be doing it because Paintsville is wet. No they would have went to the adjoining county, got drunk, and drove back anyway. I do not believe that the people who don't drink are going to magically start drinking now because it is in Paintsville. Use common sense here, the same people who drunk before are going to drink now. They are now closer to home which makes the availability of designated drivers or even walking more feasible. Blaming a group of people for a DUI death their really not responsible before is like blaming a company who makes firearms whenever someone kills someone else with a gun they made. It just doesn't make sense.

[Mad Dog 420]

Well in response to the statement about changing with the times I'm referring to how some of Johnson counties neighboring counties use to be dry and changed to be wet. Those counties changed because the people's ideas about alcohol changed. Since paintsville is going to be wet I assume the outlook of the people of paintsville has changed their for if they didn't go to wet they would be showing the stubbornness of not wanting to change. It's important that our governing bodies locally and beyond change with the people that's what I meant.

So you are putting alcohol and federally controlled substances in the same category? Alcohol is bad but it's just not logical to ban it in a particular area when you can just go a few miles to a neighboring county and get whatever you need. Being dry doesn't solve anything.

[Youngerthandirt]

Comparing drugs like oxycontin to alcohol sales is like comparing apples to oranges.

Oxycontin is a legal drug. It's the people that sell those drugs illegally, use them for reason other than what they were made for, and the doctors that prescribe them unnecessarily that you need to control. They're nothing more that a new wave bootlegger.

Taking your arguement and turning it around as you like to do, are you saying we should allow bootlegging and keep legal alcohol sales out of Paintsville just because that's the trend with selling drugs?

If I want to sit on my porch and drink a beer I purchase legally from Wal-Mart or FoodCity, I should have that right, just as you have the right to not purchase it. If I have severe pain from cancer and I need oxycontin to help with the pain, I have that right because it's legal. Now if I sell those same pills to others who crush them and snort them, then my big butt should go to jail. If I drive while drinking, I should go to jail. If I'm causing problems in my neighborhood from my drinking, I should go to jail. But to compare the illegal use of a narcotic to the legal sale of alcohol is using that fear factor I mentioned earlier. You can't or shouldn't convert people with fear, convert them with truth, facts and kindness.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

I believe Oxycontin is legal. It is a controlled substance. The way it is used and distributed by most people is illegal. Kentucky is one of the few states that has wet and dry counties. Is the dry counties in this state better off financially and morally than other counties across this country. If you think they are, I got some ocean front property in Knott County I will sell you. Do you really believe that people who drink and drive are only going to be doing it because Paintsville is wet. No they would have went to the adjoining county, got drunk, and drove back anyway. I do not believe that the people who don't drink are going to magically start drinking now because it is in Paintsville. Use common sense here, the same people who drunk before are going to drink now. They are now closer to home which makes the availability of designated drivers or even walking more feasible. Blaming a group of people for a DUI death their really not responsible before is like blaming a company who makes firearms whenever someone kills someone else with a gun they made. It just doesn't make sense.

Naw, that's OK. I think I'll just move to one those progressive thinking counties such as Magoffin or Floyd, that are now bustling with all these nice restaurants since it was decided by those people that "got with the times" and voted their communities wet. Ever been to one of those fine "mega fun" and "tourist appealing" counties. I hear that a chain of Outhouse restaurants are on there way to Salyersville, Martin and Royalton. Weedoggie's what that tax revenue has done for those communities. These progressive thinking people have really turned those counties into show places in the last 15 -20 years since they have been wet. We've got a real Las Vegas just across the county line and never knew it. Lest we also forget that just across the state line we have those exciting and prosperous communities such as Fort Gay, Kermit, and Matewan that have pumped all that alcohol revenue back into their communities as well. What could we in Johnson County have possibly been thinking about all these years?

I guess you are the smart one here. :eyeroll:

[Matman]

[quote=OrangenowBlue]
Naw, that's OK. I think I'll just move to one those progressive thinking counties such as Magoffin or Floyd, that are now bustling with all these nice restaurants since it was decided by those people that "got with the times" and voted their communities wet. Ever been to one of those fine "mega fun" and "tourist appealing" counties. I hear that a chain of Outhouse restaurants are on there way to Salyersville, Martin and Royalton. Weedoggie's what that tax revenue has done for those communities. These progressive thinking people have really turned those counties into show places in the last 15 -20 years since they have been wet. We've got a real Las Vegas just across the county line and never knew it. Lest we also forget that just across the state line we have those exciting and prosperous communities such as Fort Gay, Kermit, and Matewan that have pumped all that alcohol revenue back into their communities as well. What could we in Johnson County have possibly been thinking about all these years?

I guess you are the smart one here. :eyeroll:

You can't compare Paintsville to the rest of those towns. Site selection depends on more than just alcohol sales. Population and location is the biggest two. I know Prestonsburg would have a couple of better resturaunts if it was between Pikeville and Paintsville. Paintsville has a better location and can draw from more people. Plus with it on the verge of going wet a couple businesses came down and opted not to build in Prestonsburg to wait and see what happens in Prestonsburg. The bad thing is with the economy Paintsville might have missed out on the oppertunity.

[Mr.Kimball]

Comparing drugs like oxycontin to alcohol sales is like comparing apples to oranges.

Oxycontin is a legal drug. It's the people that sell those drugs illegally, use them for reason other than what they were made for, and the doctors that prescribe them unnecessarily that you need to control. They're nothing more that a new wave bootlegger.

Taking your arguement and turning it around as you like to do, are you saying we should allow bootlegging and keep legal alcohol sales out of Paintsville just because that's the trend with selling drugs?

If I want to sit on my porch and drink a beer I purchase legally from Wal-Mart or FoodCity, I should have that right, just as you have the right to not purchase it. If I have severe pain from cancer and I need oxycontin to help with the pain, I have that right because it's legal. Now if I sell those same pills to others who crush them and snort them, then my big butt should go to jail. If I drive while drinking, I should go to jail. If I'm causing problems in my neighborhood from my drinking, I should go to jail. But to compare the illegal use of a narcotic to the legal sale of alcohol is using that fear factor I mentioned earlier. You can't or shouldn't convert people with fear, convert them with truth, facts and kindness.

The bottom line is you do have that right and it was granted to you by the free system that we have in this country. That is to let the people vote on things such as this. The majority has spoken and now you will have the ability to do that very thing now. It's something that all of Paintsville will live with and accept whether it's a good thing or not. I still stand by my original statement however that there is not one single good thing that comes from alcohol consumption, but however I can think of many, many bad things.

Hey you won, congratulations!!!!! Drink on.... Paintsville will now be a much better and progressive community.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

You can't compare Paintsville to the rest of those towns. Site selection depends on more than just alcohol sales. Population and location is the biggest two. I know Prestonsburg would have a couple of better resturaunts if it was between Pikeville and Paintsville. Paintsville has a better location and can draw from more people. Plus with it on the verge of going wet a couple businesses came down and opted not to build in Prestonsburg to wait and see what happens in Prestonsburg. The bad thing is with the economy Paintsville might have missed out on the oppertunity.

Do what??? Dont you realize that when you look at a road map that Prestonsburg lies right smack in between Paintsville and Pikeville.

How does Paintsville have a better location. Both lie right on US23 with the exact same access roads to Lexington and the population is approximately the same. Explain the difference in demographics for all of us. Your not making the first bit of sense.:please:


The bottom line is that all of the towns that I mentioned since they became wet are now nothing more than the very same places that they have always been. If people want to go down the street to buy something to drink, just simply say that. Dont camoflague that desire by telling of all the new and exciting things that will be coming to town if they go wet. It sounds just as ridiculous as the campaign by the "anti" public urination in the street propoganda.

[OrangenowBlue]

[quote=Matman]Do what??? Dont you realize that when you look at a road map that Prestonsburg lies right smack in between Paintsville and Pikeville.

How does Paintsville have a better location. Both lie right on US23 with the exact same access roads to Lexington and the population is approximately the same. Explain the difference in demographics for all of us. Your not making the first bit of sense.:please:


The bottom line is that all of the towns that I mentioned since they became wet are now nothing more than the very same places that they have always been. If people want to go down the street to buy something to drink, just simply say that. Dont camoflague that desire by telling of all the new and exciting things that will be coming to town if they go wet. It sounds just as ridiculous as the campaign by the "anti" public urination in the street propoganda.

It also sounds ridiculous stating that crime and DUI rates go up due to the legalization of alcohol sales. It will be the same people drinking now as it was then and they will get it somewhere. It has never been illegal to drink alcohol in Paintsville. You just couldn't purchase it or drink it in public. Anyone can drink it in their own home or someone else's.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

It also sounds ridiculous stating that crime and DUI rates go up due to the legalization of alcohol sales. It will be the same people drinking now as it was then and they will get it somewhere. It has never been illegal to drink alcohol in Paintsville. You just couldn't purchase it or drink it in public. Anyone can drink it in their own home or someone else's.

I never said any of those things now did I? But at the same time I dont know that that is not untrue. I dont have stats , and I'm sure that you dont either. What it will do is make it much more accessible to a kid that has a legal age buddy that will buy it for him. I know he could probably get that same person to drive to another county to get it anyways, but it sure makes it a lot easier when it can be obtained just across the street.

[Youngerthandirt]

Kimball, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I respect you opinion, but I totally disagree with you arguements. And I will drink on, just as I did before it was wet in Painstville, the only difference now is, my money will not have to leave town, neither will my car.

[Mr.Kimball]

Kimball, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I respect you opinion, but I totally disagree with you arguements. And I will drink on, just as I did before it was wet in Painstville, the only difference now is, my money will not have to leave town, neither will my car.

Been friends way to long to let personal opinions concerning matters that we all have our own personal choices on, to come between a friendship.
Take care.:Thumbs:

[Youngerthandirt]

Nuff said.....I agree

[TheRealVille]

[quote=Matman] If people want to go down the street to buy something to drink, just simply say that. Dont camoflague that desire by telling of all the new and exciting things that will be coming to town if they go wet.

That was my reason for voting yes, to keep from going to Floyd to buy my wine or beer. If I want to eat steak, I go to Huntington, Portsmouth or Lexington, or ...... Pigeon Forge(If I'm feeling like a pretty good drive).

[Old School]

I hope how soon Paintsville see's this economic boom everyone is talking about. I wonder if we will see the same windfall as Magoffin County, Prestonsburg or Pikeville have seen over the years by going wet.

[TheRealVille]

I hope how soon Paintsville see's this economic boom everyone is talking about. I wonder if we will see the same windfall as Magoffin County, Prestonsburg or Pikeville have seen over the years by going wet.

Show your defiance, boycott Food City, Walmart ,Rite aid and the steakhouse going in Terry's Office Supply.


I won't be able to get a seat hardly for all the hypocrite NO voters that go to that Steakhouse or any other wet restaurant that might open. Show your defiance, stay out.

[OrangenowBlue]

Show your defiance, boycott Food City, Walmart ,Rite aid and the steakhouse going in Terry's Office Supply.


I won't be able to get a seat hardly for all the hypocrite NO voters that go to that Steakhouse or any other wet restaurant that might open. Show your defiance, stay out.

They can go to the fine dining establishments in Lawrence and Martin County where the people are morally superior. LOL.

[Mr.Kimball]

They can go to the fine dining establishments in Lawrence and Martin County where the people are morally superior. LOL.

Yeah, they have the same high class "chains" there as they do in Paintsville, Salyersville, and PBurg.:eyeroll:

Good one there, "Mr. Sticking his Nose, in the I Aint Got a Dog in the Fight Anyways".

[OrangenowBlue]

Yeah, McDonalds and Dairy Queen.

[Mr.Kimball]

Yeah, McDonalds and Dairy Queen.

Yeah, that's right. Same thing in every town. Wet or dry.

How about your progressive and forward thinking town of Whitesburg? Interesting that your sticking your nose into this, when you still have the same ol same ol nothing in Whitesburg. How about it there pal?

Oh, I forgot Don Childers put that new Crystal Burger in that same old run down Double Kwik. You all eating high on the hawg now!!!!

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]That was my reason for voting yes, to keep from going to Floyd to buy my wine or beer. If I want to eat steak, I go to Huntington, Portsmouth or Lexington, or ...... Pigeon Forge(If I'm feeling like a pretty good drive).

Well at least your honest about it. That I have some respect for.

[OrangenowBlue]

Yeah, that's right. Same thing in every town. Wet or dry.

How about ole Whitesburg? Interesting that your sticking your nose into this, when you still have the same ol same ol nothing in Whitesburg. How about it there pal?

Oh, I forgot Don Childers put that new Crystal Burger in that same old run down Double Kwik.

The only Crystal Burger in Letcher County was in Fleming-Neon and it closed over 10 years ago. So when was the last time you been to Letcher County and have you even been to Whitesburg. Paintsville is a lot bigger and does have more stores and restaurants as they have a bigger population to support it . Whitesburg has more stores and restaurants than Martin County combined and equitable to Lawrence County. As far as going wet. Whitesburg only has liquor by the drink in restaurants. There are no package stores. Alcohol is sold in 5 restaurants and soon to be 6. Since alcohol started being served in June, 2007, 3 new restaurants have opened with a sports bar/restaurant opening in the fall. Most of the tax money generated by alcohol sales has been used in parks/recreation and activities for children. Tennis courts were redone, new skatepark was built, all the city parks were redone and refurbished. The city provides a much better fourth of July celebration, as well as a Labor Day celebration, Kids Day in the Summer, and Christmas in the Park. They are looking at taking money from alcohol and enclosing the city pool to make it indoors. A new recreation center is under construction in Whitesburg for youth which will contain gymnasiums, bowling alley, rock climbing, game room and other activities. Any police officer in Whitesburg will tell you the DUI rate has dropped since the town went wet. All the police officers have received new police cruisers since the town went wet. I work out of Paintsville and pay an occupational tax which Whitesburg doesn't have so I am familiar with that area. Paintsville is a very nice town. I am in Inez once a week and the only thing they have is a decent rec center. Whitesburg doesn't have much but it definitely has improved since it became wet.

[Mr.Kimball]

The only Crystal Burger in Letcher County was in Fleming-Neon and it closed over 10 years ago. So when was the last time you been to Letcher County and have you even been to Whitesburg. Paintsville is a lot bigger and does have more stores and restaurants as they have a bigger population to support it . Whitesburg has more stores and restaurants than Martin County combined and equitable to Lawrence County. As far as going wet. Whitesburg only has liquor by the drink in restaurants. There are no package stores. Alcohol is sold in 5 restaurants and soon to be 6. Since alcohol started being served in June, 2007, 3 new restaurants have opened with a sports bar/restaurant opening in the fall. Most of the tax money generated by alcohol sales has been used in parks/recreation and activities for children. Tennis courts were redone, new skatepark was built, all the city parks were redone and refurbished. The city provides a much better fourth of July celebration, as well as a Labor Day celebration, Kids Day in the Summer, and Christmas in the Park. They are looking at taking money from alcohol and enclosing the city pool to make it indoors. A new recreation center is under construction in Whitesburg for youth which will contain gymnasiums, bowling alley, rock climbing, game room and other activities. Any police officer in Whitesburg will tell you the DUI rate has dropped since the town went wet. All the police officers have received new police cruisers since the town went wet. I work out of Paintsville and pay an occupational tax which Whitesburg doesn't have so I am familiar with that area. Paintsville is a very nice town. I am in Inez once a week and the only thing they have is a decent rec center. Whitesburg doesn't have much but it definitely has improved since it became wet.

Yeah, I know where it was, since I used to service that account. I go to Whitesburg and do business there just about everyday. Evidently you are having a little trouble with the time line on it though. It's not been anywhere near 10 years since it closed, but anyway that was just a sarcastic comment to begin with. You know, an attention grabber!!! Oh, thats all fine and dandy stuff, but the bottom line is , there have been no "fancy, fine eating establishments" come to your town either that you so boldly butt in on a Paintsville thread and so boldly spout off about.

"Ask any police officer in Whitesburg" ,yeah right. I'll wait and see stats.