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11-17-2024, 05:01 PM
Regardless of who coaches the Admirals what can be done, if anything to turn this once proud program into a contender again? Do they have the players there and the support to get it done?
11-17-2024, 07:25 PM
There's no question that Danville is in a bad spot in a lot of ways. The football team is on a 23 game losing streak, the school is on its fourth principal in six years, the district is on its third superintendent in six years, and the high school's academic ranking is now in the bottom 10 of the state. It is in desperate need of a reboot/new momentum lest it fall off completely, made worse by Boyle County's dominance in 4A under Haddix (some of which has happened with Admiral talent) and DCA exploring the possibility of starting a football team of their own in the coming years.
By all accounts, there is talent that is coming up through the system at the middle school level. Bate's team did well this year and an infusion of new talent would do wonders for the Ads, who have not had large rosters the last few years or enough talented players at enough positions to break a losing streak going back to 2022. The problem is that any talent the Ads have gotten is bolting for the door, heading to places like Boyle or Mercer County. Developing talent or housing it does not good if you can't keep it. History shows that Danville will always have athletes. The task for a head coach is getting them on the field and keeping them, especially these days when kids, parents, and talent is moving all over the place on a whim.
But it is tough for me to see anything going well if Parks remains the head coach. He has not won a game in two years and has not been able to keep his talented players in house. The team went backward this year, not looking competitive in any games and scoring the lowest amount of points of any team in 2A that played the whole season. Is there any confidence things would be better in year 3? I'm sure the Ads could schedule easier and notch some wins but they move to a new district where LCA is going to rule and the other teams are not easy to beat either.
I'm surprised that the job has not been posted yet and honestly, I find it concerning. Maybe administration is waiting until after the state football playoffs to make a move. Maybe they have someone in mind and are working the backchannels. As a proud alum, all I can say is that I hope that is true because things cannot continue the way they are right now in Danville. Morale is low and a reboot is needed.
By all accounts, there is talent that is coming up through the system at the middle school level. Bate's team did well this year and an infusion of new talent would do wonders for the Ads, who have not had large rosters the last few years or enough talented players at enough positions to break a losing streak going back to 2022. The problem is that any talent the Ads have gotten is bolting for the door, heading to places like Boyle or Mercer County. Developing talent or housing it does not good if you can't keep it. History shows that Danville will always have athletes. The task for a head coach is getting them on the field and keeping them, especially these days when kids, parents, and talent is moving all over the place on a whim.
But it is tough for me to see anything going well if Parks remains the head coach. He has not won a game in two years and has not been able to keep his talented players in house. The team went backward this year, not looking competitive in any games and scoring the lowest amount of points of any team in 2A that played the whole season. Is there any confidence things would be better in year 3? I'm sure the Ads could schedule easier and notch some wins but they move to a new district where LCA is going to rule and the other teams are not easy to beat either.
I'm surprised that the job has not been posted yet and honestly, I find it concerning. Maybe administration is waiting until after the state football playoffs to make a move. Maybe they have someone in mind and are working the backchannels. As a proud alum, all I can say is that I hope that is true because things cannot continue the way they are right now in Danville. Morale is low and a reboot is needed.
11-17-2024, 07:31 PM
I keep thinking that the day is coming soon that Boyle and Danville will consolidate. But that takes a lot of work to make happen.
11-17-2024, 08:01 PM
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To answer your question, no.
11-17-2024, 08:30 PM
Support system is there. Talent is there.
But you aren’t going to sell kids on a future if the leadership is weak.
If it can be done, they need to get a name that is going to let the community know they’re serious.
I don’t have a clue who that name is really but there has to be someone they could go get that would embrace the challenge and can sell the community on the future and make an immediate splash.
Last I asked, there seems to be a reason that Clevenger’s name is out and it isn’t at all that he’s at Somerset it’s something else.
Can’t get Coach Harp out of retirement. Probably won’t lure anyone with a current job that has success.
My question is, who is in the community that wants it? Thats where it will have to come from.
If not, consolidation may have to happen for every reason and that’s not simple because the BCHS may not be able to hold that kind of influx of students.
But you aren’t going to sell kids on a future if the leadership is weak.
If it can be done, they need to get a name that is going to let the community know they’re serious.
I don’t have a clue who that name is really but there has to be someone they could go get that would embrace the challenge and can sell the community on the future and make an immediate splash.
Last I asked, there seems to be a reason that Clevenger’s name is out and it isn’t at all that he’s at Somerset it’s something else.
Can’t get Coach Harp out of retirement. Probably won’t lure anyone with a current job that has success.
My question is, who is in the community that wants it? Thats where it will have to come from.
If not, consolidation may have to happen for every reason and that’s not simple because the BCHS may not be able to hold that kind of influx of students.
11-17-2024, 10:10 PM
the football teams have already merged, good players all go to
Boyle
Boyle
11-17-2024, 11:29 PM
A friend told me that the DADS of the current MS talent are all BLUE ADMIRALS til death. So, kids bailing WILL NOT happen! If this is true, what coach can come in and turn it all around??
(11-17-2024, 11:29 PM)ROTC Wrote: A friend told me that the DADS of the current MS talent are all BLUE ADMIRALS til death. So, kids bailing WILL NOT happen! If this is true, what coach can come in and turn it all around??
Who might be on a short list of coaches that would be a 'splash' hire to give immediate legitimacy to the program? Not looking for unrealistic possible hires but realistic possible coaches Danville might be able to persuade to take over. I really don't think Danville could be considered serious if they don't reach out to their wish list and see what the interest might be. I also think Danville needs to be selling its self to candidates as well as their own community. Then what might those guys want/ need to get it done.
11-17-2024, 11:52 PM
Call me crazy…. DANVILLE must commit to academic excellence at the same level it values the football hire….assuming they open up the football job.
11-17-2024, 11:55 PM
I've never been to Danville or Boyle Co much. So I know nothing really about the current situation.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Danville to eventually turn things around. JC and Paintsville in a way kinda reminds me of Danville and Boyle Co. and that's the example I'm going with here.
JC had a run of like five straight title games in a row. During this time frame Paintsville starts making their own run and wins a state title. For both places it was a matter of getting the right coaches and staffs in place.
Boyle Co right now is in the middle of a run like no other, got a dynasty going on. Danville is right there literally in the same area. The player's and athletes are right there. Understandable, many want to play for Haddix and Boyle right now. I don't have a clue how many of the kids in Danvilles system make the jump to Boyle Co, if any. I'm just looking at things from afar. Again it's understandable right now why they'd want to attend Boyle.
Maybe just getting the right coach and staff may help to turn things around. Because the talent is right there. Credit to the Boyle system for the way they develop they're talent. I just see no reason as to why Danville can't do the same thing with they're system with the right people in place.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Danville to eventually turn things around. JC and Paintsville in a way kinda reminds me of Danville and Boyle Co. and that's the example I'm going with here.
JC had a run of like five straight title games in a row. During this time frame Paintsville starts making their own run and wins a state title. For both places it was a matter of getting the right coaches and staffs in place.
Boyle Co right now is in the middle of a run like no other, got a dynasty going on. Danville is right there literally in the same area. The player's and athletes are right there. Understandable, many want to play for Haddix and Boyle right now. I don't have a clue how many of the kids in Danvilles system make the jump to Boyle Co, if any. I'm just looking at things from afar. Again it's understandable right now why they'd want to attend Boyle.
Maybe just getting the right coach and staff may help to turn things around. Because the talent is right there. Credit to the Boyle system for the way they develop they're talent. I just see no reason as to why Danville can't do the same thing with they're system with the right people in place.
11-18-2024, 12:12 AM
(11-17-2024, 11:55 PM)King Kong Wrote: I've never been to Danville or Boyle Co much. So I know nothing really about the current situation.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Danville to eventually turn things around. JC and Paintsville in a way kinda reminds me of Danville and Boyle Co. and that's the example I'm going with here.
JC had a run of like five straight title games in a row. During this time frame Paintsville starts making their own run and wins a state title. For both places it was a matter of getting the right coaches and staffs in place.
Boyle Co right now is in the middle of a run like no other, got a dynasty going on. Danville is right there literally in the same area. The player's and athletes are right there. Understandable, many want to play for Haddix and Boyle right now. I don't have a clue how many of the kids in Danvilles system make the jump to Boyle Co, if any. I'm just looking at things from afar. Again it's understandable right now why they'd want to attend Boyle.
Maybe just getting the right coach and staff may help to turn things around. Because the talent is right there. Credit to the Boyle system for the way they develop they're talent. I just see no reason as to why Danville can't do the same thing with they're system with the right people in place.
And to add to your thoughts. Danville has done it for years while at the same time Boyle was winning titles as well. I guess the debacle of how things were handled with Clevenger and the admin that were in on that just opened a door wide for the best players to walk through and into the Boyle program. That has to be one of the top priorities imo to get repaired.
11-18-2024, 12:38 AM
Highlands went in a drought and many said they would never be relevant again. Coaching was a big problem that the fan base complained about for years. Those in charge finally made a change and it has made a big difference (although many including myself feel they could have done better, I believe Bethiany would have been much better choice, doing great at Cincinnati Moller!). The big difference at Highlands though is they are a top school nationally academically and will always draw families because of that. Danville being ranked poorly academically has no reason for families not to look elsewhere. Going to be tough to return to glory days.
11-18-2024, 03:27 AM
Danville's only hope is Haddix takes another job somewhere else, if not more kids from Danville will be at Boyle County playing for him. Parks don't have a chance, he's lost 22 straight games and kids want to play for winning coaches. Danville was absolutely terrible this year and not well coached, if they want to be relevant again they must get new coaches before it's too late and they lose more talent.
11-18-2024, 06:29 AM
If i were Danville I would try to get a Larry French. Rumor has it Coach French is leaving Middlesboro and moving back that way to be closer to grand kids. He is a proven coach and familiar with the area. He won two state championships at Boyle. He is third over all on the all time wins list for the state. I am sure he will be coaching somewhere next year - why not Danville. Just my opinion.
11-18-2024, 10:34 AM
I'm reading through the post here, and in a way, they all explain why Danville is in the shape they are in.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
11-18-2024, 10:35 AM
(11-17-2024, 11:29 PM)ROTC Wrote: A friend told me that the DADS of the current MS talent are all BLUE ADMIRALS til death. So, kids bailing WILL NOT happen! If this is true, what coach can come in and turn it all around??
It all sounds good til you see the look on your kids face when they go 0-10 and almost die each friday. lol.
11-18-2024, 10:39 AM
(11-18-2024, 10:35 AM)FCSPY Wrote:(11-17-2024, 11:29 PM)ROTC Wrote: A friend told me that the DADS of the current MS talent are all BLUE ADMIRALS til death. So, kids bailing WILL NOT happen! If this is true, what coach can come in and turn it all around??
It all sounds good til you see the look on your kids face when they go 0-10 and almost die each friday. lol.
11-18-2024, 10:39 AM
(11-18-2024, 10:35 AM)FCSPY Wrote:(11-17-2024, 11:29 PM)ROTC Wrote: A friend told me that the DADS of the current MS talent are all BLUE ADMIRALS til death. So, kids bailing WILL NOT happen! If this is true, what coach can come in and turn it all around??
It all sounds good til you see the look on your kids face when they go 0-10 and almost die each friday. lol.
11-18-2024, 02:13 PM
(11-18-2024, 06:29 AM)watcher Wrote: If i were Danville I would try to get a Larry French. Rumor has it Coach French is leaving Middlesboro and moving back that way to be closer to grand kids. He is a proven coach and familiar with the area. He won two state championships at Boyle. He is third over all on the all time wins list for the state. I am sure he will be coaching somewhere next year - why not Danville. Just my opinion.
I would be shocked if Larry French went to Danville. French is a good coach, but he's not a program builder, and he doesn't take on "bare cupboard" programs. He could get a slight uptick out of Danville just because of his track record but he's not bringing them back to prominence. Look at his track record, he lands at jobs at just the right time for some success before moving on. When the news broke about him taking the Middlesboro job a few years ago, a local coach said to me "I guess Middlesboro has some good players coming up." He comes into programs that are already on the upswing and keeps them moving in the right direction, but I don't think he'd be the guy to bring Danville back.
11-18-2024, 03:19 PM
Danvilles Admin Screwed Everything Up Danville Could Have Had Boyles Roster And Theirs A World Where The Situations Flipped And Danville Has Boyles Success And Boyle Is Not Winless But Also Not As Great As They Have Been
11-18-2024, 04:39 PM
(11-18-2024, 10:34 AM)FromTheBleachers95 Wrote: I'm reading through the post here, and in a way, they all explain why Danville is in the shape they are in.It has been bad for a while, people forget Clevenger was coming off two straight losing seasons before he was let go and its continued to get worse each year... Granted if Clevenger hadn't been dismissed the 6 really good kids that start for Boyle currently and the one that went to Mercer would have stayed, Danville probably would have had a couple titles instead of a sinking ship.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
(11-18-2024, 04:39 PM)Football Man 23 Wrote:(11-18-2024, 10:34 AM)FromTheBleachers95 Wrote: I'm reading through the post here, and in a way, they all explain why Danville is in the shape they are in.It has been bad for a while, people forget Clevenger was coming off two straight losing seasons before he was let go and its continued to get worse each year... Granted if Clevenger hadn't been dismissed the 6 really good kids that start for Boyle currently and the one that went to Mercer would have stayed, Danville probably would have had a couple titles instead of a sinking ship.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
I said it when they hired him: Somerset is a good job, it's not the greatest, but one thing you can say for Somerset is that they do not turn over coaches often in any sport. I don't remember any vacancies in recent memory where the Somerset admins let a coach go because of performance. Like with any school, I'm sure there are politics that you have to deal with, but as long you aren't regressing majorly your job is going to be safe at Somerset regardless of the sport. Don't see Clevenger leaving that situation for Danville, given the history.
11-18-2024, 07:04 PM
(11-18-2024, 10:34 AM)FromTheBleachers95 Wrote: I'm reading through the post here, and in a way, they all explain why Danville is in the shape they are in.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
Who do you think on the staff can do the job and what alumni might be interested? By any chance do you have any idea what Danville's enrollment numbers are? Are they small in their class or about to change?
11-18-2024, 07:04 PM
(11-18-2024, 10:34 AM)FromTheBleachers95 Wrote: I'm reading through the post here, and in a way, they all explain why Danville is in the shape they are in.
As expected, it' the same song from 2023. "Well, Clevenger!" There is nobody who respects the work of Clay Clevenger more than me. With that said, he's NOT coming back. They CAN'T undo the mess they made with him years ago. That SHIP has sailed.
Next, as expected, people say "Danville needs a splash hire! They need a legend!" And while I want to agree, I just look at it in a different sense. I simply do not see a coach the age of Larry French trying to tackle this current Danville job. Would he win? Oh, he'd win big. I just don't see this rebuild being on his mind, maybe I'm wrong and for Danville's sake, I hope I am.
After consecutive 0-11 seasons, Coach Parks will not return. That's my prediction. Here's my next prediction: The applications won't be from walking legends and established winners. This job is not the job it was 5, 10, 20 years ago. This job is currently at the bottom of the pyramid in KY. It may not stay there, but facts are facts.
As far as actual candidates, I expect a few alumni to apply. I think there is a capable assistant coach or two on staff who would be a fine head coach. There will be a few assistant coaches from the region apply. There may even be a 1st or 2nd year head coach apply. Whoever ends up with the job, expectations need to be realistic, and support needs to be overwhelming. The kids and community members at Danville deserve it.
Who do you think on the staff can do the job and what alumni might be interested? By any chance do you have any idea what Danville's enrollment numbers are? Are they small in their class or about to change?
11-18-2024, 07:46 PM
(11-18-2024, 06:29 AM)watcher Wrote: If i were Danville I would try to get a Larry French. Rumor has it Coach French is leaving Middlesboro and moving back that way to be closer to grand kids. He is a proven coach and familiar with the area. He won two state championships at Boyle. He is third over all on the all time wins list for the state. I am sure he will be coaching somewhere next year - why not Danville. Just my opinion.
Rumor also has it that Middlesboro is interested in someone by the name of Greer.
11-18-2024, 08:20 PM
Danville job is open
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