[ballboy]

I understand but still I thought he could have went somer were other than Lotts Creek I understand the reputation but maybe another place I said alll along the situation at Cordia would end up with something like this happening and I hate it for the community, The recruiting got to stop kids that have went to school their all their life played all summer put their time in to play and then bring in someone from another country or school to play over them is not right but I guess these people think their going to win a state championship and they never get close. It happens all over the region and state the KHSAA I was told is investigating other schools but you never see anything come of it.

[jammin' jamey]

Ballboy, his family's reputation proceed's him in all of central Kentucky. Cordia was the last place where his brother knew he would FINALLY be the MAIN guy. All other places he's had talent that's been equal or better, and coaches who don't give in to threats, like Billy Hicks and Daniel Brown. Nothing but trouble has ever followed this name since he was playing in grade school.

I would like to know how this mess now affects Cunningham's status going to Samford. NCAA Amateurism Rules are pretty clear about players receiving benefits and such.

[jammin' jamey]

I just looked back at the thread about the Cordia/Betsy Layne All "A" semifinals game this past season, where I was blasted for the things I said on the radio about Cordia and how their team was taking away from the true spirit of competitiveness. I was blasted then. Called a hater...

The truth will stand when all else falls.

[Wildcat1]

SO, these players get to transfer out without penalty, yet the kid that left Fairview and went to Boyd is STILL waiting on a LETTER from the KHSAA telling him whether or not they will allow him to play football this year...where's the consistency. I know the circumstances may be somewhat different, but come on! Either let everyone go whereever they want whenever they want or be consistent with enforcement of the transfer rule!

[Wildcat18]

Please, take the time and read the infractions. I doubt that there is a school in the state that has committed or commits more than two of these infractions!

Maybe this one: Impermissible contact with multiple student-athletes with the intent to sway them to enroll at Cordia for the purpose of competing in athletics.

Or maybe this one: Holding “open gym” practices that were limited to the boys’ basketball team and thus mandatory, following the elimination from the postseason.

Both would be impossible to police!

I think we're making the same argument, just from different angles. That is my point. Even if it is just those 2 out of the 14 rules you listed. That's still 14%. Everyone recruits, just not to Cordia's extent.

[Wildcat18]

My question is simple. Why would a player who transferred to Cordia from out of state be allowed to simply transfer to another local school. Wouldn't the same principle apply? Doesn't matter to me if it's Cordia or KCC, he's still an out of state recruit. Cordia is definitely at fault, but there has to be some blame to the player and family for it as well. Go home or sit out a year for the transfer.

On another note, I'd personally rather recruiting be legal, but the rules exist so they must be followed and have the appropriate "consistent" punishment provided.

[jammin' jamey]

SO, these players get to transfer out without penalty, yet the kid that left Fairview and went to Boyd is STILL waiting on a LETTER from the KHSAA telling him whether or not they will allow him to play football this year...where's the consistency.

I don't think this is an issue of the lack of consistency. The point that many are missing from that very long press release from the KHSAA is where it says, "representatives (players) of the boys’ basketball team with eligibility remaining may transfer to specific KHSAA member schools without penalty."

Not everyone is going to have eligibility that's left on the roster at Cordia. As Zaga alluded to earlier, 10 players on the roster were not exactly from Lotts Creek.

[Ballers]

Well actually now that I think about it..
Keita and Nowell both where 8th graders so they can actually go wherever they choose either way.

[Ballers]

I would like to know how this mess now affects Cunningham's status going to Samford. NCAA Amateurism Rules are pretty clear about players receiving benefits and such.

In all honesty I don't think it will affect Cunningham at all..
He's not in high school anymore and he can't help it some has been created a mess.

I hope I'm right anyways, Cunningham seemed to be a good kid and definitely was one heck of a player.

[64SUR]

Well actually now that I think about it..
Keita and Nowell both where 8th graders so they can actually go wherever they choose either way.

I would like to see Keita and Nowell go to leslie county...:Cheerlead

[jammin' jamey]

In all honesty I don't think it will affect Cunningham at all..
He's not in high school anymore and he can't help it some has been created a mess.

I hope I'm right anyways, Cunningham seemed to be a good kid and definitely was one heck of a player.

What if he or his family received money, housing, etc. to come to Cordia? I'm not making accusations, just raising questions about his status.

[zaga_fan]

If you've received "improper" benefits - you no longer have amateur status and you aren't allowed to participate in NCAA basketball (i.e. Enes Kanter).

What I don't think everyone understands... is that most of this investigation was made possible by former players and people close to the program that signed written affidavits as to what happened.

I'm sure there was some type of immunity granted to the players that signed off on these, but the allegations (for the most part) are not against the kids on the current roster.

I would think that what has been alleged in the KHSAA news release really isn't even half of what has actually happened.

[jammin' jamey]

If you've received "improper" benefits - you no longer have amateur status and you aren't allowed to participate in NCAA basketball (i.e. Enes Kanter).

What I don't think everyone understands... is that most of this investigation was made possible by former players and people close to the program that signed written affidavits as to what happened.

I'm sure there was some type of immunity granted to the players that signed off on these, but the allegations (for the most part) are not against the kids on the current roster.

I would think that what has been alleged in the KHSAA news release really isn't even half of what has actually happened.

What Kanter received was money from a professional team he played for and the NCAA said it was more that what's acceptable. According to the NCAA Ameteurism Rules, players cannot receive more money "above actual and necessary expenses". Kanter's was of course way above.

This situation is the possibility of a high school player receiving money from the school and/or boosters, etc. that wanted him to transfer to. I would think Cunningham is ineligible if this were found to be true.

I'm like you Zaga, what's been said is just a broad overview and there's more to come, yet the courts will keep things mum for the moment.

[KentuckyFan35]

I think we're making the same argument, just from different angles. That is my point. Even if it is just those 2 out of the 14 rules you listed. That's still 14%. Everyone recruits, just not to Cordia's extent.

Impermissible contact could be saying Hi to another teams player at Wal-Mart.


Open Gym has nothing to do with recruiting.

[cougarpride08]

Impermissible contact could be saying Hi to another teams player at Wal-Mart.


Open Gym has nothing to do with recruiting.

Open gym during dead period is nothing to do with recruiting, but it is still against the rules. They were practicing way before the Oct 15th deadline.

[cougarpride08]

I'm certain Cordia had some seriously shady stuff going on, but I have some legit questions about some of these violations

Allowing a staff member to lease housing to the family of a student-athlete without ever receiving payment; Facilitating housing for a student-athlete at no cost to him or his family; Does this include family members? A coach lets his cousins move in to a rental he owns, doesn't charge them cause they're family

Providing free transportation to relocate a student from an out-of-state school; Does that apply to a coach living in a neighboring state that coaches in Kentucky and has a truck that helps a friend and their family move 15 minutes away to a house they just bought in his school district in Kentucky. A year later, he's coaching a kid from that family.

Providing plane tickets on two separate occasions to a student-athlete so he could travel out-of-state; Poor kid who wants to go to college, but his family can't afford to send him on a visit to a couple of schools he's really interested in

Conducting tryouts for non-enrolled students; 7th and 8th graders

Allowing ineligible players to practice and compete in contests before they were cleared to participate; Situation where player was granted, but later denied for mistake on KHSAA's part

Those scenarios have happened at many programs across the state where the KHSAA investigated and found no wrong doing. Some of the other violations have some gray area to it that also puts that program in the clear. With recent punishments to Fairview and Cordia, do you think the KHSAA will start cleaning up some of the bylaws?

Another question is how much money did the khsaa spend on investigating Cordia? Changing the by laws might be in there best interest.

[Norm Stewert]

I just looked back at the thread about the Cordia/Betsy Layne All "A" semifinals game this past season, where I was blasted for the things I said on the radio about Cordia and how their team was taking away from the true spirit of competitiveness. I was blasted then. Called a hater...

The truth will stand when all else falls.

You are a hater......

[Blacksmith]

After reading the infractions, I'm kind of pissed I was never flown anywhere by Paintsville

LOL, I could barely get a pair of shoes that fit out of Prestonsburg:Sad04:

[zaga_fan]

For the record...

The KHSAA has not released any of the actual evidence yet.

I only know about the affidavits because they were snooping around in Perry County a few months ago and obtained at least one from a former player of Rod's.

The KHSAA and Cordia will keep everything close to their chest until this 30-day appeals process is over with.

[cougarpride08]

Let the countdown begin! lol!

[KentuckyFan35]

Open gym during dead period is nothing to do with recruiting, but it is still against the rules. They were practicing way before the Oct 15th deadline.

I know that cp08, but wildcat18 stated that "everybody recruits", and I stated that the infractions were not just about recruiting and there maybe two of those infractions on that list that other coaches "might break"! One being open gym and the other improper contact!

[cj2561]

Cordial will sue the KHSAA because they let all these other schools get by with it. If the KHSAA let one school do it, they should let all the other schools. PCC a few years ago got a player from NY. Did they say anything about that player.

[11thRegionHoops]

I'm not taking up for Cordia or any other school for that matter but if your gonna crack down on one school for doing something then you best be cracking down on all the other schools that's doing the exact same thing.

I read online today that Cordia had some players ineligible but still played them anyways...

That's the thing. According to the KHSAA, no one has done anything even remotely this egregious in the association's 97 years.

[11thRegionHoops]

Ballboy, his family's reputation proceed's him in all of central Kentucky. Cordia was the last place where his brother knew he would FINALLY be the MAIN guy. All other places he's had talent that's been equal or better, and coaches who don't give in to threats, like Billy Hicks and Daniel Brown. Nothing but trouble has ever followed this name since he was playing in grade school.

Exactly, the young man played at 4 different schools from middle school through his senior year. Sayre, Scott County, Henry Clay and Cordia. Transferred back to Henry Clay as soon as Cordia's season was over.

[toussaints]

So now, what does Cordia do with Rhodes? If they get rid of him... who takes over a program being watched like a hawk by the KHSAA? Do you ask him to get you through next season while they look for a coach?

[stripedofficial]

Cordial will sue the KHSAA because they let all these other schools get by with it. If the KHSAA let one school do it, they should let all the other schools. PCC a few years ago got a player from NY. Did they say anything about that player.

I think the difference is that they didnt pay for him and his family to move. They didnt provide him with clothing, and didnt provide him and family a free place to live.
Now as I say that, im not saying it didnt happen. Just saying its not documented and wasnt obvious to everyone.

[stripedofficial]

Curious how this affects the parents that were already upset in another thread that was promised the world but wasnt getting any college looks. If their kids has eligibility remaining and if they were jr/srs if it has affected their kid being recruited in any way?

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

The only opinion I have on all of this is its a shame that the actions of the coaches and administration could affect several kids future. I have lost all respect (not that I had much to begin with) for Rod, and I am ashamed he was even apart of the UK Program.

[Ballers]

What if he or his family received money, housing, etc. to come to Cordia? I'm not making accusations, just raising questions about his status.

Well I can tell you that he didn't need any benefits..
His family is very wealthy and the kid got a 32 on his ACT.
But I know what you're saying..
Why would he go to Cordia?
KHSAA may have proof that they paid him or something, who knows.

[sstack]

I see nothing wrong with a coach buying kids clothes if they are struggling. I see nothing wrong with feeding players. My grade school coach in the 70s did that for us. But the other stuff is just crazy.

You, me,others, might night see anything wrong with it, but the problem is there are rules against it and if you break the rules and get caught, you will be punished.