[BIGREDDAWG]

By the way. I'm 50 and thought it was a disgrace.

[bac2369]

I cant watch the whole video for the language. I am not the most christiany fellower but i have limits on the language i would use. I think its very disrespectful for a coach to even touch a player like he did in this video. I can see pushing these kids for 110 percent but there is got to be a line drawed some where.

[Gitback Coach]

Personally, I have no problem with the language.

I just don't see much coaching going on . . . lots of standing around talking, lots of yelling and stomping, plenty of babysitting and ego-stroking . . . but no coaching.

[kmba32]

This video has long been a favorite of mine. The school is Miami Northwestern High School. A school that has produced dozens of D-I Football Players. The coaches are tough on these kids, they use profane language, and they are sometimes physical. I know the majority of responses to this video will be critical. But I love their style of coaching, and was wondering if anyone agreed with me. So, check it out, and post your thoughts. (Warning again: Explicit Language)

[YOUTUBE="Miami Northwestern High: Year of the Bull"]6s23JTmfJOY[/YOUTUBE]

How can you love the fact that these kids are getting talk to like thugs, treated like thugs, and as you can see acting like thugs. I see a better way of coaching year in and year out. And he wins without D-1 football players.:biggrin:

[tradition]

Well, I'll be a little less diplomatic. What I saw was a bunch of inner city hoodlems. It doesn't surprise at all that some coaches and players ended up in trouble. Football had nothing to do with their bad character, they were born and raised to have it. Football only kept them off the streets for a few hours a day. The coaches were brought up the same way and know how to handle thug wannabees. They were producing a winner and thats all that matters. Open your eyes man! They were doing exactly what was nessessary to control these punks.

I think of the movie Blindside. Just because you were born into it doesn't mean you end up that way. That coach treated his players respect and got respect back.

[JHillbilly]

wheres their class? i like their coaching style but they need to teach them boys to have a little class about their selfs.

[A_Ray #5 :]]

love it!

[Jarons]

Love It.
With this it teaches the players to respect the coaches more. You cant coach players who dont respect you.
Age 18

How?

[Jarons]

As far as the language, I don't like it, but that is the culture of the inner city, parents talk to their kids like that also. I had a friend who was a teacher in an inner city Columbus school, that was only way he could get their attention. As far as the coaches tackling and trying to fight players, waaaaaaay overboard. Should not have been allowed.

[jbwill2]

In case anyone was wondering why it is that the University of Florida has had about 30 football players arrested in the past 4-5 years, well, now you know why.

I can't say I saw much coaching... I did hear coaches referring to minors as the slang term for female genitalia on more than a few occasions. I'm sure that will pay big dividends later on when it comes time for these kids to enter serious relationships with women. Oh, and let's not forget the footage of an adult committing assault and battery against a kid who was probably 17 years old. I'd bet money that EVERY SINGLE player on that team gets incarcerated at least one point in his life. Way to coach 'em up!

Disgrace (and frankly, criminal)... 33 years old.

[BIGREDDAWG]

In case anyone was wondering why it is that the University of Florida has had about 30 football players arrested in the past 4-5 years, well, now you know why.

I can't say I saw much coaching... I did hear coaches referring to minors as the slang term for female genitalia on more than a few occasions. I'm sure that will pay big dividends later on when it comes time for these kids to enter serious relationships with women. Oh, and let's not forget the footage of an adult committing assault and battery against a kid who was probably 17 years old. I'd bet money that EVERY SINGLE player on that team gets incarcerated at least one point in his life. Way to coach 'em up!

Disgrace (and frankly, criminal)... 33 years old.

:Thumbs: You are absolutely right! Thanks

[BigVMan23]

Absolute disgrace, 44 yo and played ball under so called "old school" coaches who would have never acted like this.

For those who think it's ok for the coaches to act this way...I'm not gonna pull any punches, I think you are idiots and have no clue what coaching is and what it takes to MENTOR young men. Sorry if that offends, but thats the way I see it. And yes, thats what coaches are, they are mentors, and they are either good mentors or bad mentors. These yahoos are bad mentors. And yes, I am a coach and coach kids from 11-18yo and I would rather be the best mentor I could be and lose every game than win and be a sorry excuse for a mentor like these gentlemen. If this is how I coached, I would be gone today, and deservedly so.

[EKUAlum05]

This is the school Charlie Strong spends most of his out of state time recruiting...just keep that in mind as well

[BlackBearDenMother]

This is the school Charlie Strong spends most of his out of state time recruiting...just keep that in mind as well

You sure Tennessee hasn't gotten a few from there??? :biggrin:

[Real Badman]

Gotta look at the situation these kids are in. I dont know where this is at, or any other aspect other then that. But history and our society will tell us, if these coaches weren't as rough as they are, those boys would likely have quit and ended on the streets stealing, dealing drugs, or another kind or illegal activity. Even If their methods are different then what us mountain folk are used to, it gets the job done in some way. As I will keep my personal opinion to myself, it's best to at least have an opportunity to succeed then not have it at all and fail.

[EKUAlum05]

Gotta look at the situation these kids are in. I dont know where this is at, or any other aspect other then that. But history and our society will tell us, if these coaches weren't as rough as they are, those boys would likely have quit and ended on the streets stealing, dealing drugs, or another kind or illegal activity. Even If their methods are different then what us mountain folk are used to, it gets the job done in some way. As I will keep my personal opinion to myself, it's best to at least have an opportunity to succeed then not have it at all and fail.

This is in a very dangerous and crime ridden part of Miami/Dade County. Have you ever heard of Liberty City, Florida? If so, Liberty City is probably where several of these kids grew up.

[meangreenrobinette]

Even at the high school level ridiculous, language ok some i understand but that and the fighting, there has to be better way to motivate young men!

[2dog]

Unlike a lot of you good, well meaning folks, I spent the first 13 years of my life growing up in the inner city. As white folks in the middle of a war zone we became very familiar with the ways of the inner city. So if you disagree with these methods you have no idea what goes on. These kids are not much better than wild animals. So don't dog these coaches for doing what they need to do to keep the attention of these future inmates. They know what they are doing with what they have. If a decent coach tried to do it, they wouldn't last a week. Again, if you have never been there it's impossible for you to know what you are talking about. I'm proud of these coaches for producing a winner under almost impossible odds.

[tradition]

Unlike a lot of you good, well meaning folks, I spent the first 13 years of my life growing up in the inner city. As white folks in the middle of a war zone we became very familiar with the ways of the inner city. So if you disagree with these methods you have no idea what goes on. These kids are not much better than wild animals. So don't dog these coaches for doing what they need to do to keep the attention of these future inmates. They know what they are doing with what they have. If a decent coach tried to do it, they wouldn't last a week. Again, if you have never been there it's impossible for you to know what you are talking about. I'm proud of these coaches for producing a winner under almost impossible odds.

Taught at a school like this in South Carolina where riots were a common accurance. Assult by a coach and disrespecting another human are not the way to teach a youth to be respectable , decent human beings and men.

[jbwill2]

Unlike a lot of you good, well meaning folks, I spent the first 13 years of my life growing up in the inner city. As white folks in the middle of a war zone we became very familiar with the ways of the inner city. So if you disagree with these methods you have no idea what goes on. These kids are not much better than wild animals. So don't dog these coaches for doing what they need to do to keep the attention of these future inmates. They know what they are doing with what they have. If a decent coach tried to do it, they wouldn't last a week. Again, if you have never been there it's impossible for you to know what you are talking about. I'm proud of these coaches for producing a winner under almost impossible odds.

Well I'm a results-oriented guy, so answer me this... do you really think that this style of "discipline" and/or coaching is making these kids better in any meaningful way? Apparently, the "star" of the video (the kid who eventually signed with UF) got into trouble and couldn't continue with school. Evidently things didn't work out too well with him...

If someone can show me that this kind of behavior on the part of the coaches is doing something to help the out-of-control illegitimate birth rate, crime rate, drop-out rate, etc. seen in today's inner cities, then I may reconsider my viewpoint, but otherwise I stand by my assertion that what that coach did was nothing other than assault and battery of a likely minor.

Come on people, watch the video again... that coach physically attacked a kid. People talk about these harsh tactics being good because they're "old school." My mother, who was born in the 1930s, had a teacher who beat the students on a daily basis who were unable to answer math problems correctly. The father of one of those kids had a problem with it. Do you think he scheduled an appointment with the school's principal or site-based decision-making council? No, the kid's father showed up with an axe one day at school and told the teacher that if she kept beating his kid he'd chop her head off. Guess what, she never touched him again. Now that's "old school." If my kid was being physically assaulted by a school coach (and I don't care if I'm living in Beverly Hills or Liberty City), one of us (either me or the coach) isn't gonna make it through the week alive. You want old school, that's old school.

[BIGREDDAWG]

Well I'm a results-oriented guy, so answer me this... do you really think that this style of "discipline" and/or coaching is making these kids better in any meaningful way? Apparently, the "star" of the video (the kid who eventually signed with UF) got into trouble and couldn't continue with school. Evidently things didn't work out too well with him...

If someone can show me that this kind of behavior on the part of the coaches is doing something to help the out-of-control illegitimate birth rate, crime rate, drop-out rate, etc. seen in today's inner cities, then I may reconsider my viewpoint, but otherwise I stand by my assertion that what that coach did was nothing other than assault and battery of a likely minor.

Come on people, watch the video again... that coach physically attacked a kid. People talk about these harsh tactics being good because they're "old school." My mother, who was born in the 1930s, had a teacher who beat the students on a daily basis who were unable to answer math problems correctly. The father of one of those kids had a problem with it. Do you think he scheduled an appointment with the school's principal or site-based decision-making council? No, the kid's father showed up with an axe one day at school and told the teacher that if she kept beating his kid he'd chop her head off. Guess what, she never touched him again. Now that's "old school." If my kid was being physically assaulted by a school coach (and I don't care if I'm living in Beverly Hills or Liberty City), one of us (either me or the coach) isn't gonna make it through the week alive. You want old school, that's old school.

Very Good! :lmao:

[2dog]

Again, you are decent people and I see your point, but we are not talking decent people here. The disipline they recieved at the hands of these men is likely the only real disipline they ever had, and it kept them from robbing,raping and stealing for a few hours a day. Maybe they left the crack pipe alone until after practice. When an animal won't mind sometimes you have to smack them around a bit to remind them who is boss. The threat of punishment is what makes the dog behave. When I was raised in the hood, I was beat up and threatened on a daily basis by thugs of every age group. We had guns at every window and door. At age 8 my dad told me to shoot to kill. This is the reality of the inner city. At age 12 I got fed up with it and began to carry a .22 pistol. When word got around that I had evened the odds the beatings stopped. These people only understand the threat of pain and bodily harm, all else is useless. This is why I must remind good people that if youv'e never lived with this it is impossible for you to understand. Just take a walk through Over The Rhine at midnight and see how far rational behavior gets you.lol!

[BlackcatAlum]

Again, you are decent people and I see your point, but we are not talking decent people here. The disipline they recieved at the hands of these men is likely the only real disipline they ever had, and it kept them from robbing,raping and stealing for a few hours a day. Maybe they left the crack pipe alone until after practice. When an animal won't mind sometimes you have to smack them around a bit to remind them who is boss. The threat of punishment is what makes the dog behave. When I was raised in the hood, I was beat up and threatened on a daily basis by thugs of every age group. We had guns at every window and door. At age 8 my dad told me to shoot to kill. This is the reality of the inner city. At age 12 I got fed up with it and began to carry a .22 pistol. When word got around that I had evened the odds the beatings stopped. These people only understand the threat of pain and bodily harm, all else is useless. This is why I must remind good people that if youv'e never lived with this it is impossible for you to understand. Just take a walk through Over The Rhine at midnight and see how far rational behavior gets you.lol!

I get the point you're trying to make, but please stop comparing humans to dogs.

I realize life in the inner city is tough on kids, because majority of them see no discipline like you eluded too. But in that video, there is no excuse for treating a kid like that. Those coaches were nothing but trash! They don't deserve a job at any school in the country. You should never lay your hand on another persons child, especially at probably the most safest place for these kids to be... school property.

There are many different ways those coaches could have handled their coaching practices and discipline examples. None of theirs were acceptable at all.

[Ram Fan04]

Absolutely LOVE IT! Every minute of it. Look at the amount of D1 players this school produces. Anyone ever heard of Jacory Harris?

[ManofGOD]

WOW, I did not read other post so I have no idea what other have said,, but I have this thought.
"they come into my house and disrespect my MOMMA, by grabbing my remote control."
Leads to warfare in the streets. This is football, not No Man's Land. No wonder we loose our youth to gang violence in the streets. No wonder we have kids who will shoot you dead, instead of reasoning. NO wonder we see relationships continue to go backwards between adults and kids. I yell and scream some times , BUT I WOULD NOT CURSE A KID. I guess I would rather take a beating than to curse a kid. How disrespectful can you get, how much of a control freak do you have to be to physically put your hands on a kid and mean IT. Watched the first 30 seconds of it and turned it off. Not to mention the message these guys put into these young mens heads.... For shame my man, for shame. Sorry , did not watch the entire thing and could not watch it.....If I ever talked to your kid like these guys did,, believe you me,, you would be in my face wanting a piece of ME... Because Brother I would be waiting for you too when you got done afterward......Absolutely terrible.

[ManofGOD]

A friend of mine just took over Northwest Flint Michigan football program. The first day spring practice he took 12 handguns from his players. This team has not won a game in like 10 years, they have no facilities, no running water in the locker rooms and nothing to dess the kids in. This man has a contract with his players and they do what he tells them.
1. Every player attends summer school without question.
2. Every player will attend school inthe summer after summer school ends, without question.
3. Every player will be passing their grades and will take the SAT,ACT twice each year of High school, without question.
4. Every player will be in by curfew every night without question.

This team has 29 high school players on it and 12 of those kids will be playing D-1 football next fall.

This man expects gains, sacrifice and hard work. This man gives of himself and paid for all the new equipment for his kids to play. Paid out of his pocket, coaches because he loves the game and loves the kids.

This man even drives his mini-van into the projects of Flint and the not so nice places and picks his kids up everyday and takes them home. He is dedicated... I can tell you this.. He does not physically assault his players, he does not curse them down like they are nothing.

But one thing I will say, i would let him coach my kid every day... My kid would be the one at school every day in the summer working on school work and to get better. Want to improve a young mans life.. do it in the school, volunteer to be a tutor when they struggle in class, Volunteer your time to be there when they need a shoulder or a helping hand. I hear stories from him about how his neighborhood was and is now that he is back. It is a jungle out there in some places... But beating the animals while they are caged will get you killed when the fences go down. I pray that his efforts go to maintaining the guidance that these young men need and continue to be the hand that leads rather than the hand that bleeds.

[LeeCoUKFan]

I didn't really like any of this! There is no need for the language because it seriously isnt going to make a difference, there is no need for the coaches to be physically hitting the players because that isn't going to help either, and there is no need for a player like that on the team! No high school superstar is gonna go very far in college when he thinks he is so good that he doesn't need to practice like the rest of the players and back talks the coaches!!

[tradition]

Again, you are decent people and I see your point, but we are not talking decent people here. The disipline they recieved at the hands of these men is likely the only real disipline they ever had, and it kept them from robbing,raping and stealing for a few hours a day. Maybe they left the crack pipe alone until after practice. When an animal won't mind sometimes you have to smack them around a bit to remind them who is boss. The threat of punishment is what makes the dog behave. When I was raised in the hood, I was beat up and threatened on a daily basis by thugs of every age group. We had guns at every window and door. At age 8 my dad told me to shoot to kill. This is the reality of the inner city. At age 12 I got fed up with it and began to carry a .22 pistol. When word got around that I had evened the odds the beatings stopped. These people only understand the threat of pain and bodily harm, all else is useless. This is why I must remind good people that if youv'e never lived with this it is impossible for you to understand. Just take a walk through Over The Rhine at midnight and see how far rational behavior gets you.lol!

What they received was not discipline. Punishment is not what makes the dog behave but respect and discipline.

[tradition]

Hello, talk all you want about inter city this and inter city that and what everyone doesn't understand and this is the way you have to deal with these kids. PLEASE! It doesn't work as explained in what happend to TDiddy. He got a full ride and couldn't make it due to DISCIPLINE problems. What the coaches did does not work. They are not successful! They are NOT GOOD COACHES.:igiveup::ChairHit::HitWall:

[sstack]

I get the point you're trying to make, but please stop comparing humans to dogs.

I realize life in the inner city is tough on kids, because majority of them see no discipline like you eluded too. But in that video, there is no excuse for treating a kid like that. Those coaches were nothing but trash! They don't deserve a job at any school in the country. You should never lay your hand on another persons child, especially at probably the most safest place for these kids to be... school property.

There are many different ways those coaches could have handled their coaching practices and discipline examples. None of theirs were acceptable at all.

Great Post :Thumbs: