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10-11-2010, 12:26 AM
well i think sheldon clark has really turned there season around i think tht every one should roll to the rock friday night and watch a war!
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10-11-2010, 12:14 PM
Both teams are hitting their stride right now after tough non-district schedules.
I expect the SC defense to be a bit more formidable against the Belfry offense then PC was. Hager has the strength and ohysicality to matchup with Belfry, and the running game to chew clock.
Think this will be a fast moving game. It is cliche', but turnovers and how many risks Hager takes on 4th Down and short will ultimately decide the outcome.
My basis is Belfry 27-14, if both teams play turnover free football.
Depending on those turnovers and if SC capitalizes on those 4th Downs you could possibly reverse that score though.
I expect the SC defense to be a bit more formidable against the Belfry offense then PC was. Hager has the strength and ohysicality to matchup with Belfry, and the running game to chew clock.
Think this will be a fast moving game. It is cliche', but turnovers and how many risks Hager takes on 4th Down and short will ultimately decide the outcome.
My basis is Belfry 27-14, if both teams play turnover free football.
Depending on those turnovers and if SC capitalizes on those 4th Downs you could possibly reverse that score though.
10-11-2010, 10:01 PM
PaytoPlay Wrote:...
Belfry's O-Line has never failed to move the LOS this season. Even in the losses against Ashland and Pburg, Belfry's O-line opened holes. I have personally watched Belfry play three games this season - Pburg, Ashland, and PCC. In each of those games, Belfry's O-Line played well! Two of those games were considerable losses. If they continue to play well, they will be in any game.
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The only weakness I see if on the D-line, but playing against the heavy run offense of Sheldon Clark may help that somewhat. I really like Belfry in this matchup.
With all due respect, I don't understand your logic in either of these paragraphs.
You assert Belfry's o-line played well in 2 of their "substantial" losses. But then you claim if they play the same way, "they will be in any game". Why would it when it didn't in those 2 games ??
Also, if Belfry's weakest link is the d-line, it does NOT help them. And it especially doesn't help vs. Sheldon Clark's run game. The Cardinal's passing game isn't nearly the threat of their run game.
10-11-2010, 10:39 PM
Joe,
Belfry's D-Line has played poor IMO, but they have played team after team who spread the field. You know as well as me that Haywood chooses to go to 3 down lineman in those situations and stand up his DE's in the flats. Ashland, Pburg, crap basically every team they have played so far except maybe Whitley, spreads the field. Sheldon Clark won't. I actually expect Belfry to play better when they can get in a more natural 5-2. The DE's are the strength of the front 5 IMO.
As for the comment about the O-line, perhaps you weren't there (as I was) for the Ashland game. It was an 8 point game with 1:50 to go and we were moving near midfield. A fumble and a TD for Ashland with less than one minute made the score "substantial" I suppose. Belfry played poor against Pburg. Pburg deserves lots of credit for being better prepared and executing well in the early season. Still, I stand by my comments that we can and will move the ball against every team on the schedule this season.
I do have my reservations about the interior of the Belfry D-line. We shall see come Friday if they can stop the run.
Belfry's D-Line has played poor IMO, but they have played team after team who spread the field. You know as well as me that Haywood chooses to go to 3 down lineman in those situations and stand up his DE's in the flats. Ashland, Pburg, crap basically every team they have played so far except maybe Whitley, spreads the field. Sheldon Clark won't. I actually expect Belfry to play better when they can get in a more natural 5-2. The DE's are the strength of the front 5 IMO.
As for the comment about the O-line, perhaps you weren't there (as I was) for the Ashland game. It was an 8 point game with 1:50 to go and we were moving near midfield. A fumble and a TD for Ashland with less than one minute made the score "substantial" I suppose. Belfry played poor against Pburg. Pburg deserves lots of credit for being better prepared and executing well in the early season. Still, I stand by my comments that we can and will move the ball against every team on the schedule this season.
I do have my reservations about the interior of the Belfry D-line. We shall see come Friday if they can stop the run.
10-11-2010, 10:43 PM
oneijoe Wrote:With all due respect, I don't understand your logic in either of these paragraphs.
You assert Belfry's o-line played well in 2 of their "substantial" losses. But then you claim if they play the same way, "they will be in any game". Why would it when it didn't in those 2 games ??
Also, if Belfry's weakest link is the d-line, it does NOT help them. And it especially doesn't help vs. Sheldon Clark's run game. The Cardinal's passing game isn't nearly the threat of their run game.
I can help on the first a little.
With the way Haywood runs his offense, in particular the belly series, it takes three elements for the running game to excel and produce "big" plays:
1. The QB makes the correct read
2. The line opens up the hole
3. The back hits the hole at the right time
Early in the season the timing between the backs, most notably Pruitt, and the line simply was not there. This is very common for alot of Belfry team early in the season. When holes were opened either the back did not have the faith to explode through them, or they were looking to bounce it and make a man miss.
As the precision of the offense has been fine tuned, you are seeing more explosive plays as a direct result. In the past few weeks Belfry's line have been manhandling opposing fronts and Pruitt is looking like the feature back of year's past.
With all that said, SC is a whole lot bigger, stronger, and downright nastier then anyone Belfry has faced since early in the season. It will be interesting to see if the Pirates can open up the holes the size of Cumberland Gap this week.
10-11-2010, 11:02 PM
PaytoPlay Wrote:Joe,i disagree with saying the d-line has not played well, i think the dt play has been very good. most of the big runs against belfry ahs been by a qb up the middle, #77 at ng is a sure run stopper, he always commands a doubleteam, i dont think there is a center in the state that can take him one on one, i look for him to see a lot more action from here on out, i look forward to seeing a very physical game friday, and if belfry dont put the ball on the ground i look for a pirate victory
Belfry's D-Line has played poor IMO, but they have played team after team who spread the field. You know as well as me that Haywood chooses to go to 3 down lineman in those situations and stand up his DE's in the flats. Ashland, Pburg, crap basically every team they have played so far except maybe Whitley, spreads the field. Sheldon Clark won't. I actually expect Belfry to play better when they can get in a more natural 5-2. The DE's are the strength of the front 5 IMO.
As for the comment about the O-line, perhaps you weren't there (as I was) for the Ashland game. It was an 8 point game with 1:50 to go and we were moving near midfield. A fumble and a TD for Ashland with less than one minute made the score "substantial" I suppose. Belfry played poor against Pburg. Pburg deserves lots of credit for being better prepared and executing well in the early season. Still, I stand by my comments that we can and will move the ball against every team on the schedule this season.
I do have my reservations about the interior of the Belfry D-line. We shall see come Friday if they can stop the run.
10-12-2010, 07:00 AM
I don't think the DL has been that soft, they have been very good in run defense IMO and are improving. When the QB is scrambling for yards in passing situations, I don't think you can hang that on the DL as much as the scheme.
When you are rushing 3 and dropping 8 against a passing team, you are leaving yourself open a bit to the damage a good scrambling QB can do. You are leaving 3 on 5 up front, plus the QB, so that means you have an 8-5 advantage in coverage. It is a choice as to what you want to try and take away, but you have to concede that it leaves you a little soft up front.
If everyone covers well, at some point the QB will have to tuck it and run and with everyone spread out in coverage, there are going to be some holes for him to run through.
When you are rushing 3 and dropping 8 against a passing team, you are leaving yourself open a bit to the damage a good scrambling QB can do. You are leaving 3 on 5 up front, plus the QB, so that means you have an 8-5 advantage in coverage. It is a choice as to what you want to try and take away, but you have to concede that it leaves you a little soft up front.
If everyone covers well, at some point the QB will have to tuck it and run and with everyone spread out in coverage, there are going to be some holes for him to run through.
10-12-2010, 12:59 PM
BlackcatAlum Wrote:This one could go either way, but my gut says Belfry takes this one by 12 in a dandy.
i was looking for your opinion on the game because p burg has played both teams and i figured you watched both games. im from sc and this worries me because you dont have a dog in this fight and your just being honest. i havent seen belfry play but i know they improve as the season goes on.
so from seeing this im going to say Belfry by 8 but i think sc will have a chance to win this game but a turnover late in the game will hurt them.. just got that feeling for some reason.
10-12-2010, 05:16 PM
Even though Pburg is a common opponent, I don't think either Belfry or SC played their best against the Blackcats. The Belfry game was in week 0, and Belfry was very unpolished. I said at the time that Belfry would be a much, much better team by the end of the year, and that is where they are now--a much, much better team. They have played a tough schedule, and have beaten some big teams.
SC just looked worn out against Prestonsburg...like their murderous schedule had finally caught up with them. There was no fire in them, little to no enthusiasm, and it was almost like they expected to lose. However, they have, IMO, played a tougher schedule than Belfry. If SC is healthy, look out... SC seems to not match up well with Pburg for some reason. SC is almost always bigger, stronger, and has faster individual players, but the overall team quickness of Prestonsburg seems to give SC fits. However, the Belfry matchup is, IMO, favorable to SC.
I see the game like this: I think it will be fairly low scoring, with SC trying to control the clock, and probably succeeding, at least some of the time. Belfry will probably strike for a big play or two, but SC's speed will offset alot of Belfry's big plays and turn a potential 80 yd. Belfry TD run into a 40 yd gain because they can run down opposing ball carriers. I think this is the game Hager and SC have been looking towards all year long, and I bet the Cards come out wilder than Commanche Indians.
The game is at SC, SC is bigger, stronger, and just as fast/faster. In a game where 2 teams run the same style offense, similar defensive philosophies, and one team is bigger, stronger, and just as fast, how can you not pick them? I realize the coaching matchup, and the apparent insanity of picking against Coach Haywood, but Coach Hager has shown he knows how to beat Belfry. Belfry has the advantage depthwise, as they play more players, but I see SC winning a very close game. I would be surprised if either team put 28 points on the board. I could see Vegas setting the over/under for this game at 52. I see the final being something like 27-21 SC.
Wish I weren't going to be out of town, or I would LOVE to watch this one. This is just one of those games any true football fan should get excited about.
Here's hoping for an injury free, clean, exciting game. Good luck to both teams.
SC just looked worn out against Prestonsburg...like their murderous schedule had finally caught up with them. There was no fire in them, little to no enthusiasm, and it was almost like they expected to lose. However, they have, IMO, played a tougher schedule than Belfry. If SC is healthy, look out... SC seems to not match up well with Pburg for some reason. SC is almost always bigger, stronger, and has faster individual players, but the overall team quickness of Prestonsburg seems to give SC fits. However, the Belfry matchup is, IMO, favorable to SC.
I see the game like this: I think it will be fairly low scoring, with SC trying to control the clock, and probably succeeding, at least some of the time. Belfry will probably strike for a big play or two, but SC's speed will offset alot of Belfry's big plays and turn a potential 80 yd. Belfry TD run into a 40 yd gain because they can run down opposing ball carriers. I think this is the game Hager and SC have been looking towards all year long, and I bet the Cards come out wilder than Commanche Indians.
The game is at SC, SC is bigger, stronger, and just as fast/faster. In a game where 2 teams run the same style offense, similar defensive philosophies, and one team is bigger, stronger, and just as fast, how can you not pick them? I realize the coaching matchup, and the apparent insanity of picking against Coach Haywood, but Coach Hager has shown he knows how to beat Belfry. Belfry has the advantage depthwise, as they play more players, but I see SC winning a very close game. I would be surprised if either team put 28 points on the board. I could see Vegas setting the over/under for this game at 52. I see the final being something like 27-21 SC.
Wish I weren't going to be out of town, or I would LOVE to watch this one. This is just one of those games any true football fan should get excited about.
Here's hoping for an injury free, clean, exciting game. Good luck to both teams.
10-12-2010, 06:43 PM
When PCC started the thread about their season I predicted that Belfry and Sheldon Clark would both beat them. Sheldon Clark has played a tough schedule this year and in no way does their record reflect the talent of this team. They are battle tested and probably tough as nails at this point in the season. Belfry is the same. I can't predict this game at all, my head says that the home field advantage will give SC the edge, but my heart bleeds Belfry because of the overall toughness of the team. My best friend went to Sheldon Clark and hopefully we are going to attend this game together... I just hope we don't kill each other lol!!! 
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10-12-2010, 07:11 PM
cat86 Wrote:Even though Pburg is a common opponent, I don't think either Belfry or SC played their best against the Blackcats. The Belfry game was in week 0, and Belfry was very unpolished. I said at the time that Belfry would be a much, much better team by the end of the year, and that is where they are now--a much, much better team. They have played a tough schedule, and have beaten some big teams.Solid points and hard to argue against....
SC just looked worn out against Prestonsburg...like their murderous schedule had finally caught up with them. There was no fire in them, little to no enthusiasm, and it was almost like they expected to lose. However, they have, IMO, played a tougher schedule than Belfry. If SC is healthy, look out... SC seems to not match up well with Pburg for some reason. SC is almost always bigger, stronger, and has faster individual players, but the overall team quickness of Prestonsburg seems to give SC fits. However, the Belfry matchup is, IMO, favorable to SC.
I see the game like this: I think it will be fairly low scoring, with SC trying to control the clock, and probably succeeding, at least some of the time. Belfry will probably strike for a big play or two, but SC's speed will offset alot of Belfry's big plays and turn a potential 80 yd. Belfry TD run into a 40 yd gain because they can run down opposing ball carriers. I think this is the game Hager and SC have been looking towards all year long, and I bet the Cards come out wilder than Commanche Indians.
The game is at SC, SC is bigger, stronger, and just as fast/faster. In a game where 2 teams run the same style offense, similar defensive philosophies, and one team is bigger, stronger, and just as fast, how can you not pick them? I realize the coaching matchup, and the apparent insanity of picking against Coach Haywood, but Coach Hager has shown he knows how to beat Belfry. Belfry has the advantage depthwise, as they play more players, but I see SC winning a very close game. I would be surprised if either team put 28 points on the board. I could see Vegas setting the over/under for this game at 52. I see the final being something like 27-21 SC.
Wish I weren't going to be out of town, or I would LOVE to watch this one. This is just one of those games any true football fan should get excited about.
Here's hoping for an injury free, clean, exciting game. Good luck to both teams.
10-12-2010, 07:14 PM
cat86 Wrote:Even though Pburg is a common opponent, I don't think either Belfry or SC played their best against the Blackcats. The Belfry game was in week 0, and Belfry was very unpolished. I said at the time that Belfry would be a much, much better team by the end of the year, and that is where they are now--a much, much better team. They have played a tough schedule, and have beaten some big teams.Great analogy...however; I am going with the depth and my faith in that 0-line to open those holes. It will be a low scoring game. I am going to say 21-14 Belfry.:CheerleadLove my Pirates:Cheerlead
SC just looked worn out against Prestonsburg...like their murderous schedule had finally caught up with them. There was no fire in them, little to no enthusiasm, and it was almost like they expected to lose. However, they have, IMO, played a tougher schedule than Belfry. If SC is healthy, look out... SC seems to not match up well with Pburg for some reason. SC is almost always bigger, stronger, and has faster individual players, but the overall team quickness of Prestonsburg seems to give SC fits. However, the Belfry matchup is, IMO, favorable to SC.
I see the game like this: I think it will be fairly low scoring, with SC trying to control the clock, and probably succeeding, at least some of the time. Belfry will probably strike for a big play or two, but SC's speed will offset alot of Belfry's big plays and turn a potential 80 yd. Belfry TD run into a 40 yd gain because they can run down opposing ball carriers. I think this is the game Hager and SC have been looking towards all year long, and I bet the Cards come out wilder than Commanche Indians.
The game is at SC, SC is bigger, stronger, and just as fast/faster. In a game where 2 teams run the same style offense, similar defensive philosophies, and one team is bigger, stronger, and just as fast, how can you not pick them? I realize the coaching matchup, and the apparent insanity of picking against Coach Haywood, but Coach Hager has shown he knows how to beat Belfry. Belfry has the advantage depthwise, as they play more players, but I see SC winning a very close game. I would be surprised if either team put 28 points on the board. I could see Vegas setting the over/under for this game at 52. I see the final being something like 27-21 SC.
Wish I weren't going to be out of town, or I would LOVE to watch this one. This is just one of those games any true football fan should get excited about.
Here's hoping for an injury free, clean, exciting game. Good luck to both teams.
10-13-2010, 01:12 PM
Sheldon Clark - 30
Belfry - 14
sheldon clark will be playing at the rock so i think thay are better then what belfry thinks and thay will take the win
Belfry - 14
sheldon clark will be playing at the rock so i think thay are better then what belfry thinks and thay will take the win
10-13-2010, 03:16 PM
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10-13-2010, 03:24 PM
ltr450_777 Wrote:I know this has nothing to do with this thread but I can't wait for PC to play belfry again. Everyone has failed to mention the fact that we had 3 starters out last week and one of them was our middle linebacker who would have easily taken that full back out of the game!!!! CANT WAIT, enjoy your victory but remember PC beat sheldon clark in the regular season last year and sheldon clark beat PC in the playoffs. Same thing will happen between belfry and PC, GURANTEED !!!
You play the game with the players you have at the time. Belfry has their fair share of injuries as well, and were plating without Nathon Carroll. Can't Pike Central just let this game go, Belfry was the better team and that was clearly seen in the second half. Pike Central is much improved, but until you learn to respect your opponents and stop making excuses then you will never achieve the success you guys are looking for. I am also hoping for a rematch, then maybe you will stop with the excuses.
10-13-2010, 03:36 PM
warriors44 Wrote:well i think sheldon clark has really turned there season around i think tht every one should roll to the rock friday night and watch a war!
Hopefully your talking about them doing better in practice because if your saying they turned it around because of the ER game then i am really laughing my *** off.. you cant tell nothing from that game.. only that ER still has a long way to go before they can even think about playing with the top teams.
10-13-2010, 05:02 PM
ltr450_777 Wrote:I know this has nothing to do with this thread but I can't wait for PC to play belfry again. Everyone has failed to mention the fact that we had 3 starters out last week and one of them was our middle linebacker who would have easily taken that full back out of the game!!!! CANT WAIT, enjoy your victory but remember PC beat sheldon clark in the regular season last year and sheldon clark beat PC in the playoffs. Same thing will happen between belfry and PC, GURANTEED !!!
This thread has nothing at all to do with Pike Central. And a win is a win, no matter who was out, so PC has no room to talk right now. Just saying.
As for this game, Belfry has shown much improvement in the past few games, and come in to face a talented SC team. Look for this game to be decided by the offensive lines, which I give a slight advantage to Belfry's at this point. Opening up holes up the middle is key for both teams.
Belfry 20
SC 14
10-13-2010, 07:05 PM
ltr450_777 Wrote:I know this has nothing to do with this thread but I can't wait for PC to play belfry again. Everyone has failed to mention the fact that we had 3 starters out last week and one of them was our middle linebacker who would have easily taken that full back out of the game!!!! CANT WAIT, enjoy your victory but remember PC beat sheldon clark in the regular season last year and sheldon clark beat PC in the playoffs. Same thing will happen between belfry and PC, GURANTEED !!!
Well, you didn't hear any of the Belfry faithful complaining about the "phantom" touchdown at the .2 second mark did ya? Take that away (which it shouldn't have been called one anyway) and what do ya get??? LOL....
On topic now, good luck Pirates. You know what to do, so let's do it!
10-13-2010, 07:42 PM
i believe the cards have got this in the bag! =] lets go cardinals you can do this.lets show what we go & put em in there place like we did last year with that 20-14?=] PROUD TO BE A CARDINAL, ONCE A CARDINAL ALWAYS A CARDINAL!
10-13-2010, 07:45 PM
Im saying sheldon clark by 10 points.
10-13-2010, 09:43 PM
SlapHands Wrote:Well, you didn't hear any of the Belfry faithful complaining about the "phantom" touchdown at the .2 second mark did ya? Take that away (which it shouldn't have been called one anyway) and what do ya get??? LOL....
On topic now, good luck Pirates. You know what to do, so let's do it!
listening to the game on the radio, the annoucers said that you cant say that belfrys clock man is a homer, because that.2 second was the right call..
10-13-2010, 09:59 PM
Belfry by a td.
10-13-2010, 10:28 PM
it might not be friday the 13th ,but its still friday baby,cards by 2 tds
10-13-2010, 10:42 PM
Please keep this thread on topic = Belfry vs. Sheldon Clark
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