[ronald_reagan]

If that be the case, you shall never hold the high moral ground and are no better than those you practice these methods against. Its just that simple. America, as Reagan put it, should be a "Shining City on a Hill". And the methods you so valianty condone vastly erode the foundation of that very idea and instead create a dark city of doom and peril.

It wasn't Reagan who 'put it' that way. It was John Winthrop, who by the way, mentions the almighty God and the role of this country UNDER him. Reagan was only quoting him. don't quote reagan, unless you agree with him. And its already assured that you don't.

For we must consider that we shall be as a City upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. Soe that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.

Let me make this as crystal clear as earthy possible, and so that you can understand it. I'll waterboard, and I'll be waterboarded. If the 'terrorists' only waterboard us back.. then have at it. The guys that 'waterboard' the terrorists, have ALL been waterboarded themselves.

What do you not get?? You want to say that I'm lowering myself to their level?? They kill us by torture.. we obtain intelligence which saves others lives by pouring water on their face, NOT killing them?? Thats the same??? Thats torture?? I've been held UNDER water by friends and family... them terrorists!!! Those beasts!!!

The city upon a hill is NOT a good thing these days. Its light draws illegals in like moths, and provides visibility for terrorists to attack us.

You keep up the same talking points, trying to say that i'm wrong. Ok. I am. I want them dead. I want MORE than waterboarding. but since this thread is ABOUT waterboarding, I'll just stop there and say simply.. I agree with it strongly at this point. It has saved many lives, and hasn't cost a single one.

Done with you now. :moon: