Greenup 68 Ashland 66

Allsports#1 · 12-17-2014, 04:52 AM

Greenup 68 Ashland 66 Final
First time in Ashland basketball history with 0-6 start.

Truth · 12-17-2014, 05:23 AM

Greenup County up 20 at half and nearly frittered it away.

Harry Rex Vonner · 12-17-2014, 06:40 PM

Have all the Ashland supporters, spokesmen, followers, and apologists relocated to Iceland?

Welcome · 12-17-2014, 07:04 PM

I think so............

**Pulp Fiction** · 12-17-2014, 08:03 PM

Way to go Greenup County......

Anytime Ashland looses, I'm happy.

Yustacould · 12-17-2014, 08:23 PM

Sorry guys, you can only play with what you have. Again, no offense to the players. It might be a bit rough for the next couple of years for the Tomcats. I hope for the best for the Tomcats the rest of this year. Good win by the Musketeers. Congratz to coach Tackett and to the players for their hard fought win. Good bunch of kids.

Samiam · 12-19-2014, 02:34 PM

Worst Ashland team I have seen.

Truth · 12-19-2014, 03:50 PM

Samiam Wrote:Worst Ashland team I have seen.

For a material number of recent years, Ashland has depended upon "transfers" to carry their basketball team. They have only had mild success since they haven't won the Sixteenth Region for over twelve years.

If you will check their past rosters, you will find that, in most recent years (including last year), at least a couple of their key starters came from Rose Hill. The Rose Hill kids were strong on fundamentals thanks to good coaching from John Bush and his helpers in AAU and middle school as well as early high school.

Now, there is no one at Rose Hill to entice to "transfer" to Ashland. No talent remains. So, for the most part, Ashland has to go with their own product. That product has been sub-par for a number of years and it really shows this year.

And those, like it or not, are the facts.

Devilfootball · 12-20-2014, 04:34 AM

good game.

washed up · 12-20-2014, 04:53 PM

I agree with the transfers padding Biggs roster and who would turn down good players? However during those years he played some transfers that were not better than than kids that grew up in the Ashland system ahead of those same kids. He sold his soul to the devil with this and didnt win a region. Now that the devil has left him in the ditch and he has lost the loyalty of several of the more athletic kids in the school he finds himself with a depleted roster.

Truth · 12-20-2014, 06:56 PM

washed up Wrote:I agree with the transfers padding Biggs roster and who would turn down good players? However during those years he played some transfers that were not better than than kids that grew up in the Ashland system ahead of those same kids. He sold his soul to the devil with this and didnt win a region. Now that the devil has left him in the ditch and he has lost the loyalty of several of the more athletic kids in the school he finds himself with a depleted roster.

You are correct. No one would turn down good players- particularly when the facts clearly indicate that you openly "courted" them to join you.

Ashland needs to go with its own homegrown talent. It has paid a heavy price for luring all those "transfers" in recent years.

washed up · 12-21-2014, 11:41 PM

Not sure about openly courting anybody. I dont have any inside information there. It is obvious to me that the way to be a consistent winner is to not follow the diagram that Rose Hill laid out when it comes to transfers. That only leads to a crash landing. The biggest problem Ashland sports has is in the development of the grade school kids. Basketball in particular will suffer a few years now and I attribute some of that to the the AYBL not allowing players to play in other leagues. This is something that I am familiar with. Just my thoughts. While I am sure it is not the sole reason, I cant help but think it doesnt contribute.

Truth · 12-21-2014, 11:43 PM

washed up Wrote:Not sure about openly courting anybody. I dont have any inside information there. It is obvious to me that the way to be a consistent winner is to not follow the diagram that Rose Hill laid out when it comes to transfers. That only leads to a crash landing. The biggest problem Ashland sports has is in the development of the grade school kids. Basketball in particular will suffer a few years now and I attribute some of that to the the AYBL not allowing players to play in other leagues. This is something that I am familiar with. Just my thoughts. While I am sure it is not the sole reason, I cant help but think it doesnt contribute.

Good points.

Yustacould · 12-23-2014, 02:15 AM

washed up Wrote:Not sure about openly courting anybody. I dont have any inside information there. It is obvious to me that the way to be a consistent winner is to not follow the diagram that Rose Hill laid out when it comes to transfers. That only leads to a crash landing. The biggest problem Ashland sports has is in the development of the grade school kids. Basketball in particular will suffer a few years now and I attribute some of that to the the AYBL not allowing players to play in other leagues. This is something that I am familiar with. Just my thoughts. While I am sure it is not the sole reason, I cant help but think it doesnt contribute.

Not sure what you mean about not allowing them to play in other leagues. Could you elaborate?

washed up · 12-23-2014, 01:57 PM

It was a rule that they could not participate in other area leagues. I know of a team that played a 6th grade exhibition game before a couple of middle school games at the request of the opposing middle school coach. The players didnt wear AYBL uniforms or even warm up with AYBL basketballs. The coach was chastised by the AYBL. The coach felt that by not using any AYBL equipment and uniforms and that the agreement with the opposing middle school coach made no reference to AYBL that there was no issue. He was told that he used AYBL players therefore he was in the wrong. In case you are wondering the kids from Ashland won by over 40 and these kids walk the halls at Ashland today with the exception of 1.

Truth · 12-23-2014, 04:03 PM

washed up Wrote:It was a rule that they could not participate in other area leagues. I know of a team that played a 6th grade exhibition game before a couple of middle school games at the request of the opposing middle school coach. The players didnt wear AYBL uniforms or even warm up with AYBL basketballs. The coach was chastised by the AYBL. The coach felt that by not using any AYBL equipment and uniforms and that the agreement with the opposing middle school coach made no reference to AYBL that there was no issue. He was told that he used AYBL players therefore he was in the wrong. In case you are wondering the kids from Ashland won by over 40 and these kids walk the halls at Ashland today with the exception of 1.

From what I have heard, the AYBL by exerting complete control, is hampering the development of possible Ashland talent. I have heard, too, that the principals of the elementary schoools like the AYBL because it takes a lot of work and responsibility off of them.

Whatever the causes, the pool of Ashland homegrown talent is poor at best thus requiring that they depend on "transfers". And, the sources of these "transfers" have dried up. The result is devastating for the program and that is sad even to those of us who are not Ashland fans.

washed up · 12-23-2014, 05:55 PM

I would agree. I believe they have softened the stance on this rule in the past couple of years and several of the middle schoolers have had the opportunity to play more and against better competition. In a couple of years Ashland will become competitive in the 16th region again and it would take a lot of convincing to make me change my stance as to why.

Yustacould · 12-25-2014, 02:40 AM

Is this why there are so little 6th graders playing in the AYBL this year? Have all the "good ones" jumped ship? I've seen some games in that division and it looks like it is 5th grade dominated. From what I've heard, this years 6th, 7th and 8th grade teams will be the next group to compete in the 16th region. Is that the case; has anyone else heard this?