Clay Co- 13th Referee Scandal

~~Choogler~~ · 02-28-2008, 03:16 PM

Not to the KHSAA evidently

ARC · 02-28-2008, 03:51 PM

FOX SPORTS Wrote:Isn't gambling on high school basketball ILLEGAL in KY???

Just barely. Actually, I expect that there will be repercussions due to the crap in the 13th. Those emails bespoke a familiarity that should not exist.

I'm pretty sure that there are 'point shaving' forensic specialist (yep, they do exist Virginia) who are gathering info as we speak regarding the regions in question.

IMO, gambling on high school sports is a very bad sort of thing to do. X 100 for an official or parent that is involved in the games.

PATS2011 · 02-28-2008, 04:48 PM

Dawggie Wrote:I am for anyone but Clay Co. They walked out of a camp at Hazard this summer becuse they were getting beat. Other than this incident our camp went very well. Win or lose we all have to show class and be excellent role models for the kids.

they did the same to KCC

livewire220 · 02-28-2008, 04:55 PM

This is the very reason there is a bill before the legislature to abolish the KHSAA and place the authority over athletics within the Department of Education. I'm not sure if that is the answer but there definitely needs to be a house cleaning in Lexington and it should start at the top. This organization exists out of a need created by the schools and their students not the other way around.

ARC · 02-28-2008, 05:01 PM

livewire220 Wrote:This is the very reason there is a bill before the legislature to abolish the KHSAA and place the authority over athletics within the Department of Education. I'm not sure if that is the answer but there definitely needs to be a house cleaning in Lexington and it should start at the top. This organization exists out of a need created by the schools and their students not the other way around.

I agree. The current situation is kind of like a bunch of loose guns in control who are not really accountable to anyone.

MANoWAR · 02-28-2008, 06:03 PM

ARC Wrote:I can't believe that anyone is really surprised.

DUH!!! Who didn't know this wasn't going on. I remember looking at a board one year and seeing a well known referee's name on it and his teams won their region. Hopefully the KHSAA will do an investigation or something because it's not right for kids to have to play against some officials anyways, especially ones who are wanting to fatten their wallets. No one should be suprised.

MANoWAR · 02-28-2008, 06:09 PM

livewire220 Wrote:This is the very reason there is a bill before the legislature to abolish the KHSAA and place the authority over athletics within the Department of Education. I'm not sure if that is the answer but there definitely needs to be a house cleaning in Lexington and it should start at the top. This organization exists out of a need created by the schools and their students not the other way around.

I've heard of that bill and I'm for the extermination of the KHSAA, but the only thing I don't really understand is, if the KHSAA does go down, there's all these referees out of a job so do they get job with the board of education? If it was a county board of education wouldn't you think we'd have the same problems? Is there a link to look at this at?

~~Choogler~~ · 02-28-2008, 06:19 PM

There needs to be no ties with schools you referee for. Thats the problem. You lose objectivivity (sp?). If they paid travel and you reffed out of your region, that is one solution. The assigning secretary should NEVER be a school official, like here in the 14th for years with Happy Mobelini. It only raises suspicion and makes it hard to maintain your priorities. And trust me, Happy is a good guy. He is also VERY into his schools (Hazard) sports too. So, its hard.

OMG · 02-28-2008, 07:15 PM

getting rid of the KHSAA is not the answer...i think that would be a disaster to turn it over to the education department...the problem lies in the "higher ups" and thats where the concentration needs to go...get rid of the top and it creates a ronald reagon trickle down effect with the rest below..

slingblade93 · 02-28-2008, 07:32 PM

These refs get paid to do a job that they chose to do if they screw up they should be held accountable legally then it would stop or at least it wouldn't be quite so obvious.

**UKisN1** · 02-28-2008, 07:39 PM

Educators should be there to protect all children, and the more professional people of any profession are involved there is less likelihood of these occurences.

livewire220 · 02-28-2008, 09:06 PM

MANoWAR Wrote:I've heard of that bill and I'm for the extermination of the KHSAA, but the only thing I don't really understand is, if the KHSAA does go down, there's all these referees out of a job so do they get job with the board of education? If it was a county board of education wouldn't you think we'd have the same problems? Is there a link to look at this at?

It has nothing to do with a county board of ed. The bill would place the responsibility with the Kentucky Department of Education. You can go to the legislative web site to see it. I am not convinced that is the answer. I believe a good restructuring and replacement from the top down would be better. The KHSAA BOE needs more educators and their top administrators should be retired Principals, Etc. A requirement to work there in administration should be experience as a high school administrator. After all these people work in the trenches daily and if anyone at the KHSAA has any experience they have forgotten what it is like. Heck they tell me you can't even walk in that place without being buzzed through the electronic front doors with an appointment.

OMG · 02-28-2008, 09:12 PM

livewire220 Wrote:It has nothing to do with a county board of ed. The bill would place the responsibility with the Kentucky Department of Education. You can go to the legislative web site to see it. I am not convinced that is the answer. I believe a good restructuring and replacement from the top down would be better. The KHSAA BOE needs more educators and their top administrators should be retired Principals, Etc. A requirement to work there in administration should be experience as a high school administrator. After all these people work in the trenches daily and if anyone at the KHSAA has any experience they have forgotten what it is like. Heck they tell me you can't even walk in that place without being buzzed through the electronic front doors with an appointment.

well not only should they be administrators i personally think they should have some background in athletics as well...i know Louis Stout was a good president in my opinion and he had alot of athletic experience and i think that should go a long way in who is in charge...

UK Fan14 · 03-06-2008, 11:22 AM

TRIPLE J Wrote:I have a little something to add to this fire- about 3-4 yrs. ago in the WYMT tourney- a 15th region team was playng against PCC, having worked in that area I was familiar with some 14th region officials and their cohorts. Before the game began I was sitting in an area with these folks- when the 13th region officials emerged- they were given numbers and names on the 15th region team- for what reason I do not know- but lets just say by halftime- those folks were sitting and their team was down by a surprising number of points. It is very disappointing when these things happen and they happen often- I may take me a camera the next time I'm at the track or the riverboat to give you an idea of how well some people are paid.

I'm pretty sure I know which team & game you are talking about. It was obvious the 15th region team was not going to be in that game.

MoBSTa · 03-07-2008, 01:28 AM

I emailed Steve Boucher about how an official was selected and he told me that the coaches choose the officials in district games.

I myself think this is just a bunch of horse hockey.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-07-2008, 09:41 AM

MoBSTa Wrote:I emailed Steve Boucher about how an official was selected and he told me that the coaches choose the officials in district games.

I myself think this is just a bunch of horse hockey.

It is horse hockey. Each region has a person who is in charge of assigning officials. The coaches do not pick them. A coach can blackball 2 officials and they can not ref any games the team is in, but they cant pick their refs.

**FOX SPORTS** · 03-07-2008, 10:04 AM

MoBSTa Wrote:I emailed Steve Boucher about how an official was selected and he told me that the coaches choose the officials in district games.

I myself think this is just a bunch of horse hockey.

I don't know who Steve Boucher is .

Maybe you should have emailed Larry Boucher. He is in charge of basketball officials for the KHSAA.

OMG · 03-07-2008, 10:19 AM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:It is horse hockey. Each region has a person who is in charge of assigning officials. The coaches do not pick them. A coach can blackball 2 officials and they can not ref any games the team is in, but they cant pick their refs.

Your right every region has a different person designated to assign officials to games. I know in the 15th region we have Robert Staggs. I'm not sure on the 13th though.

**FOX SPORTS** · 03-07-2008, 10:30 AM

OMG Wrote:Your right every region has a different person designated to assign officials to games. I know in the 15th region we have Robert Staggs. I'm not sure on the 13th though.

Staggs is not the assignor in the 15th for basketball, Jerry Hurley is.

OMG · 03-07-2008, 10:33 AM

FOX SPORTS Wrote:Staggs is not the assignor in the 15th for basketball, Jerry Hurley is.

I know he is for baseball I just assumed he did both I didn't know.

basketballfan000 · 03-08-2008, 12:23 AM

I think that this has gone on for years

MoBSTa · 03-08-2008, 12:54 AM

FOX SPORTS Wrote:I don't know who Steve Boucher is .

Maybe you should have emailed Larry Boucher. He is in charge of basketball officials for the KHSAA.

yeah Larry, sry I was in a hurry and had my mind in the gutter.

03-08-2008, 01:00 AM

After I read the email involved in this I will never be able to trust referees and school officials in the mountains again. There needs to be a full investigation into this and the people involved need to be taken out of any high school sports. It scares me when coaches try to dictate who calls their games. It is really sad and a blackeye to high school basketball.