Bluegrassrivals

For years and on this forum, I have been saying that when America turned her back on God's standards of right and wrong, she left the path of peace and prosperity.

Where at one time God's unmistakable hand of blessing lay on this land, to include America's improbable victory over Germany in WW2, now we squabble on the world stage in an example so base and petty, it gives prestige to the likes of the Jerry Springer Show. So why do I believe the Lord used America to defeat Hitler? God's promise is and was quite simple. Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Hitler went about the task of the complete extermination of the Jew. I have absolutely no question that He used America to bring him down.

But as in the case with Israel, America began to spiral in decay. Since WW2, beginning with the insufferable Supreme Court decision which paved the way for liberals to use the now famous 'invisible wall' to separate America, (Separation of Church and State) from the very authority from which her people draw their worthiness to self govern. The moral standards given to man by God Himself as are so clearly defined in the Holy Bible. Which brings us to the main point of this thread, how is it that presently America finds herself in hellish chaos and saddled with a government comprised of two parties locked in a war for which the victor supposedly, will win the hearts of the people. Qualifier; the hearts of conservatives were won at the birth of this nation.


Isaiah; 5:20 (KJV)
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Let me give the commentary opinion of J. Vernon McGee for Isaiah 5:20.

"This is the fourth sin against which the fourth 'woe' is leveled. It is an attempt (by malcontents in government in our case) to destroy God's standards of right and wrong by substituting man's values, which contradict His moral standards. This is the confusion that comes upon a nation when they abandon God after He has blessed them in the past for their acknowledgement of Him. England is a present-day example of this, and America is fast deteriorating in the same direction." (Boy did J. Vernon ever have that right!!)

We've gone from the glorious blessings of post WW2 to the moral chaos and Congressional gridlock of present day. I know the sun still shines and things are mostly the same in some small-town safe havens which have yet to feel the total burden of the oppression besetting this land. But make no mistake, the steady encroachment of secular humanism has brought grief to our own door steps and the pain is coming. Where at one time in recent past on Sunday mornings families fell out for Sunday School and Church, now folks stay in bed and rest up from enjoying the weekend. But the governmental embrace of abortion on demand and gay rights are evidence enough that we are as a people, totally without rudder. The US Supreme Court had absolutely no right or authority whatever to overturn God's mandates regarding the above mentioned sins.

What no nation has been able to take from us with force, it seems we have laid down willingly and without a second thought.

Romans 1:24-32

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

TRT,

When is it that you speak of, when God was blessing our land -- and when did he choose to quit? Id love to see your timeline of godliness vs ungodliness. As well as causes of each.

Thanks.

Reagan Wrote:TRT,

When is it that you speak of, when God was blessing our land -- and when did he choose to quit? Id love to see your timeline of godliness vs ungodliness. As well as causes of each.

Thanks.

You're by no means the first to challenge my assessments regarding spiritual issues as they apply to life in the US. Suffice it to say though the ills with which we are beset are certainly not peculiar to the US. We have nonetheless, become desensitized to the ravages of sin.

For those who were part of the work force by 1965-ish, they knew what it was like to live in the golden age of American existence. There are too many examples to list them all, but one would have never seen a politician openly campaigning and swearing an oath and willing to suffer political death on the twin hills of abortion and gay rights in their bid for high office. Nor would one have heard the Speaker of the House proclaiming people's right not to work. Instead choosing to live off others to become artists and the like.

Nancy Pelosi spoke to musicians and the artistically inclined in Washington DC, and instead of telling those in attendance they should get a job, she brought quite a different message: "they needn’t bother working, because the taxpayers of the United States would cover their health care." Perhaps channeling her San Francisco district, Pelosi explained that without a job they would be free to focus on their talents, passions and aspirations because they wouldn’t be “job locked.”
https://dailycaller.com/2010/05/15/pelos...alth-care/

Now friends that different, but I digress. God's exact timeline is not for men to know, however, embodied within the contrasts I have drawn, with which you seemingly have some dispute, are the evidences of degradation. Everywhere and anywhere one may look, from the content of movies to the way people in traffic flip each other off, that is when they choose not to draw a gun. From cops being executed, to the killing fields of primary and secondary schools to college campuses. But the biggest indicator can be seen in lagging Church attendance. Perhaps to synopsize the answer to your question, the limits of God's patience can be seen in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The city councils of those two cities if you will, publicly (by law) embraced the sin of homosexuality.

Abraham ventured of the Lord, if there could be found 10 righteous men there in Sodom would He spare the city. God said that He would but far less than 10 could be found. Of course there are far more than just 10 "righteous" among us here in this land. Thus short of a rain of fire and brimstone for the moment, certain blessings still prevail. That does not preclude the Lord's ultimate judgment, nor does that preclude the tightening of the circumstances which will at some point cause the swift cascade of judgmental events. Comparisons and contrasts are about all we have to measure the times there Reagan.

When we refer to abortion on demand as 'women's health,' we ARE calling evil good. When the high court condones abortion on demand and the practice of homosexuality, and the US Congress proceeds to pass laws in contradiction to God's written Word, we ARE calling evil good. "Woe" means judgment is coming.

As far as the timetable; Matthew 24:32-33 (KJV)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

All that must be done to see it, is to open one's eyes.

I think you answered your own question pretty well with your response. You turn your back and heart away from GOD and you won’t prosper. Too many people now days live for this world, and when you live for this world and it’s worldly possessions, you no longer live or walk with the father.

It didn’t just happen, it’s been a slow transition from the 80/90s to now. People who reject God and his word are helping to speed this process along faster, and doing the devils bidding.