06-27-2007, 04:44 PM
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:That's right Mr. John Prine, it has been hauled away and will continue to haul it away!Until nothing is left.
That's a real nice plan for the future there Playboy5.
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:That's right Mr. John Prine, it has been hauled away and will continue to haul it away!Until nothing is left.
DevilsWin Wrote:This statement proves that you kow absolutely nothing about the death penalty. Why do you think the state of Illinios has stopped all executions?
I have a better solutions for the guy who raped, molested and murdered a family. Lets put him in a labor camp making big rocks into little rocks all day. Work him so hard that he dies of natural causes at an early age so we don't have to feed him forever. I'm not against punishment and I don't support counseling for Criminals given life sentences. However If an inmate doesn't get life in prison he or she must be rehabilitated through counseling and education otherwise when thay get out they will victimize people the same way they did before getting locked up. Now if you don't mind lets get back to coal mining or start another thread about the death penalty. PS have you seen the movie Monsters Ball? Great movie about the Texas Prison system death squads.
P.S. The United States Constition and the Bill of Rights give all US Citizens protection from "Cruel and Unusual Punishment". If the death penalty isn't Cruel and Unusual then I don't know what would be.
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:Tidehoss, removing a mountain has very little to do with you having paper, it powers this computer, but the majority of wood used in paper manufacturing does not come from this area. If MTR has anything to do with paper manufacturing it would decrease it, NO TREES = NO PAPER, simple math.
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:Tidehoss, removing a mountain has very little to do with you having paper, it powers this computer, but the majority of wood used in paper manufacturing does not come from this area. If MTR has anything to do with paper manufacturing it would decrease it, NO TREES = NO PAPER, simple math.
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:Ah, that's just the way it is though..Like it or not! You sure aren't going to change anything and it SURE doesn't look like the people who are fighting it are getting anything done! I think you are just a Little OUTNUMBERED and ALWAYS WILL BE!
TidesHoss32 Wrote:Ummm...thats not me, Thats PLAYBOY5..and you've made several jabs at me when Im not the one writing these. Get your stuff straight.
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:DW, thanks for the support, it's rare that I get anything positive on this board.
Lets get back to death penalty for one second, Tidehoss said that the death penalty is not literally killing someone. lol, when someone is put to death, that is killing them, I dont see how being killed is not "literary killing".
Tidehoss I don't care who kills the person, it's still wrong.
DW, You're exactly right on this area being dependent on coal, everyone on this board has shown that. We're so afraid that if coal leaves we will have nothing, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
I knew I was fighting a losing debate when I stated my opinion on this site, but no matter how many people disagree with me, It will never change my mind I want I think is right. I will not join the rest and be silent as my home is destroyed.
There is a large and growing number of people that opposes MTR, there has always been a large group, but most have never spoken out. I believe that some think turning a deaf ear to them will silence all critics, it's not working for George Bush and it's not going to work for coal companies.
BTW, I love the John Prine quote.
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:Sorry for the mistake, but I wasnt taking a jab at anyone, I was just correcting false ideals like the ones playboy is spitting out.
Sorry if you felt it was a personal attack, it was not. My apologies.
TidesHoss32 Wrote:Yeah, I didnt say that the death penalty isnt literally killing someone, that was PB5..AGAIN. Whats wrong with you man? Your pre-med. Cant you read the name for who's quoting? I never said that, so dont give me that "I dont care who kills the person, its still wrong" crap..Point it to who made the quote.
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:I knew you would ask that question.I just have to make a point here, Yes it says Thou shall not kill. But it goes on futher in Deuteronomy 19 and states "That innocent blood be not shed in thy land," There is a difference. I am not in any way tring to take away from your beliefs or your faith.
I'm not married, but I have 2 younger sisters that I absolutely adore, if something happened like the story you mentioned I would be absolutely destroyed. It would take a lot from me to not kill the person myself. One thing would stop me though, my faith, I do not believe that I would make things better by stooping to their level and killing them, it would just make me as bad as they are. You say you would want their time in hell served ASAP, but wouldn't you go to hell too? Doesn't the bible warn against the evils of revenge, and if my memory serves me correct god says in the ten commandments "Thou shall not kill". Not matter what happens to the criminal, the victims will never return.
My faith just tells me that killing is wrong, no matter who is killed.
cig107 Wrote:Can anyone tell me the difference in a Contour Strip Mine and a regular strip mine?The Contour or Bench method of surface or strip mining is usually associated with coal, where a seam or multiple seams are located at a certain elevation or elevations through a mountain or hill.
cig107 Wrote:Can anyone tell me the difference in a Contour Strip Mine and a regular strip mine?
Old School Wrote:OC87 The photos I spoke of where taken after reclamation, and during the spring, so everything was in full bloom, all that could be seen along the ridges where barren land. Some sites had fescue grass, there root system fights against those of the native trees and makes it nearly impossible for a forest to return._____________________________________________________
I need to get out of the big city, lol, last time I checked Hindman Ky was not a "big city", Ive lived in eastern KY all my life, Ive never left my roots.
I know that companies are supposed to put things back, but don't kid yourself and say that they do. Yes some do, but a lot of companies don't. Many companies open subsidiaries, mine a place, and then shut down and move on to another site and do the same thing. I know you say they are flagged and that they have to put up bond money, I know all of that, they put up money, a majority of the amount required to reclaim before they mine, if they shut down, the state then takes over and reclaims. The whole crap about not being able to mine again is bull, yes the subsidiary cant mine, but the head company just moves on.
You can give me all the rules, and regulations from the coal companies that you wont. You can also say that I want to end all mining jobs, and scare people into believing you, it's what you guys do best, but It doesn't matter, I know the rules, I'm just trying to tell you that a lot of coal companies aren't obeying laws and trying to get a good citizen award.
Yeah yeah yeah, coal companies do great things for the communities, the only reason they do that is to keep a good image with a community that is already feared into thinking life cannot go on without them. Thats like saying the mob done great things for the communities in Chicago, or that the terrorist who give money for schools in their region are good people. Them donating money, and doing community projects does not make up for the atrocities they are causing in Appalachia.
Old School Wrote:I researched and tried to find the total area of land mined, I couldn't. I read several articles that gave an estimate, which is 1.2 million acres since 1980, 5% of the total land mass, so according to you coal companies should only mine 1% more of the land, thats just not true. (these stats are from the UK department of agriculture.)
90% of mined land not used[B]I figured you would try to slam my stats, I hate to break you're heart but it didn't come from an environmental site, although I'm sure they have the stats too. The statistics I got came from the UK department of agriculture.[/B]
http://windpub.com/dirtymoney.htm
http://arri.osmre.gov/KYResearch.htm
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:I have an idea, why don't you repeat the same post everytime and make you sound as smart as you can make yourself....BECAUSE YOU ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!You really think alot of yourself don't ya Playboy?
RavenBoy Wrote:Coal is BAD!!!
Coach_Owens87 Wrote:If you check your article again you will find that they estimated 1.2 million acres being permitted, not mined, since 1980, what it doesn't say is how much of the 1.2 million acres are for contour permits, underground permits, roads, prep plants, load outs, rail sites, MTR or other mining related projects.
Even if we mined the estimated 1.2 million acres, and we developed 10% (which I think is higher) of that land it would mean that 120,000 acres of mined land is being used for other purposes.
DevilsWin Wrote:In the 1920's and 30's both of my grandfather's lived and worked in Floyd County. Their fathers before them worked in the coal mines.
They wanted a better life for their sons and their sons(my Grandfathers) wanted to do better for themselves. They both traveled north with help and support form their fathers(my Great Grandfathers) to find a better job so their children(my parents) could live outside of the isolation of the mountains.
One of them got a job working on the C&O Railroad and years later retired. The other after joining the US Army and seving in the Pacific during WW2 and earning a Bronze Star for Valor got a job at the Ashland Works Steel Milling Co(Armco, AK Steel) and later retired there.
I went to Floyd Co last year with my father for the very first time to visit with some of his cousins(who are in their 80's now) that he hadn't seen in nearly 40 years.Thsi is not the only time I have visited Floyd Co. Just the first time to visit with family. After talking to them I realized how different my life might have been if my grandparents hadn't made the decision to move to Ashland.
They saw the writing on the wall.
I know and understand the problems facing families in the mountains. They don't want a hand out. They don't want sympathy. All they want is a way to better themselves. Coal for so long was the only way to earn a good living. With the exception of earning a scholarship to go to college. Or taking over in the family business.
That state of mind has endured for decades and I'll tell you why. It is a proven method of survival. Fight for your job , fight for your family, fight for coal.
I understand how all of you feel and why you feel the way you do. But the winds of change are upon us and the land that has provided our families prosperity for so many generations is under attack.
Not from coal miners, but rather Coal Barrons.
Coal is not King anymore.
Good luck and God Bless.