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Reading the MSM publications prognosticating an apocalyptic end of the Trump Presidency is almost beyond comical. Here is a lick to the fundraising numbers for the rnc and dnc:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/347...nc-in-july

I got news for you libs, nobody out side the beltway and the coasts is buying what you are selling. Keep pushing the destruction of our monuments the week we avert nuclear war. See how far that gets you at the polls, and, keep listening to those folks who said Trump would never get elected and pushing your identity politics!
Pick6 Wrote:Reading the MSM publications prognosticating an apocalyptic end of the Trump Presidency is almost beyond comical. Here is a lick to the fundraising numbers for the rnc and dnc:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/347...nc-in-july

I got news for you libs, nobody out side the beltway and the coasts is buying what you are selling. Keep pushing the destruction of our monuments the week we avert nuclear war. See how far that gets you at the polls, and, keep listening to those folks who said Trump would never get elected and pushing your identity politics!


Dumba$$ if money had anything to do with it Hillary would have won
⬆ Who would argue that the DNC is not in as deep a hunger for big 💲 donors as the RNC?

It was Citizen's United, and it was a decision which said a huge multinational corporation equated to an individual citizen, and that's wrong.
You do know that the entire CEO council just bailed on Trump because he would not bend to their PC crap? Democrats are the party of big business now, especially tech.
Pick6 Wrote:You do know that the entire CEO council just bailed on Trump because he would not bend to their PC crap? Democrats are the party of big business now, especially tech.

The DNC loves big 💲 donors every bit as much as the RNC. Have you seen the cost of even key House races?
Note: It is not "PC crap" to expect a President to, without a hint of equivocation, denounce in the clearest of language the white supremacist's message. With that said, I do not consider President Trump a racist. He is a bumbler and a stumbler when it comes to eloquence.
vector Wrote:Dumba$$ if money had anything to do with it Hillary would have won



It takes real money to produce fake news and push the Democrat Party's lies. All the money dried up at the flat broke DNC because nobody buys those lies anymore. That and the fact that the best you guys can do is psychos like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison. I mean, it's going to be just a bit hard to get many white folks to donate much to the cause while all the minorities are out burning down towns, and all the party politicians are on TV making their racist rants, don't you think? :biglmao: But I guess you must have missed the latest news, Hillary LOST the election because most voters woke up. Pick 6 is right.
TheRealThing Wrote:It takes real money to produce fake news and push the Democrat Party's lies. All the money dried up at the flat broke DNC because nobody buys those lies anymore. That and the fact that the best you guys can do is psychos like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison. I mean, it's going to be just a bit hard to get many white folks to donate much to the cause while all the minorities are out burning down towns, and all the party politicians are on TV making their racist rants, don't you think? :biglmao: But I guess you must have missed the latest news, Hillary LOST the election because most voters woke up. Pick 6 is right.

Do you not think about people's feelings and offending them before you post? Maxine Waters is doing really well within the party, even potentially running for president in 2020. What an honor that would be. One of the most accepting people in congress. She sure has put Trump in his place and will unite the country better than Trump.
"Most voters woke up."

She won the popular vote.

This is not to say President Trump didn't run a better, smarter campaign (He did); it is to say peacockian hyperbole is in play.
vector Wrote:Dumba$$ if money had anything to do with it Hillary would have won
Money may not have bought the election for Hillary, but it has kept her out of prison jumpsuits.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:"Most voters woke up."

She won the popular vote.

This is not to say President Trump didn't run a better, smarter campaign (He did); it is to say peacockian hyperbole is in play.



He did win the popular vote in every state except California, which happens to be LOADED with illegal immigrants, (conservative estimates place the total at more than 2.5 million) Couple that number, and yes, many of them voted illegally in recent Presidential elections, with the 10 plus million legal Hispanics and you get your popular vote disparity. California BTW, is in the throes of secession. I've got my fingers crossed and would consider sponsoring you a go-fund-me account to join them.

EXCERPT---
[SIZE="3"]"After Donald Trump won the presidency, a movement to break California from the U.S. and form its own country has gained traction.

A few years ago, only 1 in 5 Californians supported secession. Today, it's 1 in 3" [/SIZE]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/newsy/ca...ussia-ties

So from my perspective, it is the hyperbole of jackals and of dogs which are at play.

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Not likely

California will secede. Obama was not a citizen. If Trump loses, God will smite America. What else, zealot? Donald Trump lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college. So history will record it. So it was. Thus, "most" was and is peacockian hyperbole, and you are Chief Peacock.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
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California will secede. Obama was not a citizen. If Trump loses, God will smite America. What else, zealot? Donald Trump lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college. So history will record it. So it was. Thus, "most" was and is peacockian hyperbole, and you are Chief Peacock.


History will make it's recordings, and will do so not looking through rose colored liberal lenses. The stats generated by liars are always cooked so as to support their lies. History will record that as well, and prophecy has already recorded same. And has anybody other than me noticed that it is extremely hard to source lies? At least I include credible sourcing in my posts. Not a steady diet of Sombrero theologiciencisms.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
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California will secede. Obama was not a citizen. If Trump loses, God will smite America. What else, zealot? Donald Trump lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college. So history will record it. So it was. Thus, "most" was and is peacockian hyperbole, and you are Chief Peacock.


Trump lost the 'illegal' popular vote, granted. And he lost the state of California and the 55 electoral votes that went with it. So what? The popular vote of the entire rest of the country went to Trump. It is disingenuous to ballyhoo your head off about the popular vote going to Hillary when the popular vote total of only one state accounted for 4 and a half million of Hillary's vote total. So since in the final analysis ol Hilly only got a little over 3 million more votes than Trump did nationally, but she got 4 and a half million more votes than he did in California, the impetus for your argument is reduced to pure BS.

Which means that without California, Trump has nearly a 2 million popular vote lead. Not to mention the fact that Trump voters were all legal. Let's blow all day long about that one. The entirety of your argument is hogwash anyway. Why? Because in any case, the state in question was lost for the Trump cause anyway, and every last electoral vote.

But I got a solution. If California secedes, let's get ol Hill in there as President-ette and you can ride the estrogen express on out there and be with your people.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
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California will secede. Obama was not a citizen. If Trump loses, God will smite America. What else, zealot? Donald Trump lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college. So history will record it. So it was. Thus, "most" was and is peacockian hyperbole, and you are Chief Peacock.



You put so many lies in one post I decided to dedicate the responses.

NOBODY I've heard speak or whom made any sort of comment in print, has suggested God would smite the US if Trump was not elected. That's a lie and if you had an ounce of integrity you'd recant it.

What I did say was this; Since the voter chose DJT over your evil step mommy, that means they rejected her ridiculous and godless Democrat platform. Which consisted of gay rights, abortion on demand, globalism, global warming, asinine foreign policy, political correctness and the resultant identity politics, run away welfare, open borders, wealth redistribution, general stupidity, general lawlessness, separation of lucid thought and state, and rabid liberalism.

To me that may mean that history may well record that since many Americans still honor God in their hearts, time was granted to them to do His work.

Uh, you once suggested, implied, pontificated that, the people having awakened (electing Trump) that God might hold back his mighty judgment upon America. You have a convenient memory, PeeWeeGee: a sort of selective recall whereby you seek to confirm your Peacock screechings, long, laborious screechings.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
Uh, you once suggested, implied, pontificated that, the people having awakened (electing Trump) that God might hold back his mighty judgment upon America. You have a convenient memory, PeeWeeGee: a sort of selective recall whereby you seek to confirm your Peacock screechings, long, laborious screechings.




Wrong. I said judgment is coming to America, the great butcher of the unborn and newborn. I said widespread homosexuality, and the national embrace thereof is a signpost sin/event, and that the seriousness of that sin was demonstrated to man with God's having forewarned and shortly thereafter destroyed utterly Sodom and Gomorrah. I said IMHO, that the alignment of the USSC with the homosexual lifestyle, which of necessity included an entire class of new law in support, along with the newly attached and awarded taxpayer funded benefits to the 'partners?' of homosexuals in my view, used up the last slack that God might reasonably be disposed to grant. BTW, championing the homosexual cause is one the feature planks of your party's political platform, is it not?

None the less I said, though we find ourselves in this sorry state, last time around the voter rejected the evils of the Democrat Platform and their demonstrably evil candidate. And since that is the case, perhaps God is not quite done with America yet and normalcy could possibly reign here for that cause 'for yet a little season.' Remember, God said He would spare Sodom for the sakes of a mere 10 righteous men, America surely has more than 10 righteous men. But so did Israel in the days of King Nebuchadnezzar. Being guilty of transgressing God's command to allow the land to lie fallow, the Israelites were taken into captivity despite the righteous among them. But as in the case of Israel who was judged and taken into captivity along with her righteous, and though nobody can say exactly when, so will judgment fall on this land. I was just speculating that MAYBE because the voter rejected the evils of liberalism in the last election, that that COULD mean history will show that America got a temporary stay of judgment. But again, only so that the overall living conditions in the US would continue to favor the accomplishment of that work.

I also said that in any case we are down the drain, it's just a question if we are in the relatively calmer water of the outer vortex, or if we are in the funnel.

Therefore there are only two possibilities; 1) You are too slow to understand my perspective, or 2) You are lying. Again.

You equated the election of Donald Trump to "voters" awakening. You suggested, and are now retreating, this might delay the judgment of God. You are simply practicing what your modus operandi is: seeking to run only on the track of your choosing, just a variant of the way you attempt to use straw.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
You equated the election of Donald Trump to "voters" awakening. You suggested, and are now retreating, this might delay the judgment of God. You are simply practicing what your modus operandi is: seeking to run only on the track of your choosing, just a variant of the way you attempt to use straw.



Exactly, the voters awakened, which is just a way to say they became aware of their mistaken support of liberalism. And I said, that because God is not constrained in any way by time, history is already written in the mind of God. But we who are constrained by time, refer to that situation as prophetic because to us history has not yet had time to judge. But for anyone whose mind is through salvation, illuminated by the Holy Spirit, that person may read the prophetic texts and discern the truth of this world accordingly. Which situation it would seem, has to date left you out. I said my hope is that it will prove to be the case that history will show that in the past election, the voter's rejection of the evils of liberalism caused them to oppose those evils as spelled out in the Democrat's political platform, and as were proudly proclaimed by Hillary Clinton.

I have not retreated on a thing I've said. The way I expressed my thoughts was just another way to approach the reality of the events we're seeing play out on the world stage. And frankly, you're having quite a bit of trouble keeping up aren't you?

I said IMO this land is broken. The corruption at all levels of government is the direct result of and the hallmark of a society divorced from the guidance of Almighty God. We Americans have turned our backs on the moral authority God granted us with which to self govern ourselves, thereby denying ourselves the wisdom to so do. But I said, from what I can see judgment is certain though there may exist the possibility for a temporary stay owing to the completion of the age of grace and America's part in it. My justification for saying that is based in part on 2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV)
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

We as a nation have not yet turned that corner. However, owing to the results of the past election the argument I have made is we though on the cusp of judgment, may in relative terms have just a bit more time in order that God's plan might be fulfilled. You deny we as a nation have backed up on God, saying all is well. 2 Peter 3:3-4 (KJV)
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

You being the consummate humanist that you are, deny that scenario as if the suffering of sin is somehow a sweet wine of which a doting father nostalgically sips, somehow corporately forgiving that sin in spite of clear teaching to the contrary. In short you blow off any responsibility men may have before The Creator, Who clearly proclaims otherwise. It is appointed unto men once to die, and after that the judgment. You have an appointment, as does everyone else.

This is, for the most part, in my opinion, a good post; however, suggesting that people are granted freedom of conscience is NOT to favor that which they choose. Also, I think you discount the great blessings bestowed upon the church in the United States. Given historical perspective, this nation has given Christianity tremendous freedom, tremendous opportunity, and a tremendous vehicle by which to evangelize through all manner of ministries.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
This is, for the most part, in my opinion, a good post; however, suggesting that people are granted freedom of conscience is NOT to favor that which they choose. Also, I think you discount the great blessings bestowed upon the church in the United States. Given historical perspective, this nation has given Christianity tremendous freedom, tremendous opportunity, and a tremendous vehicle by which to evangelize through all manner of ministries.



The Church cannot be touched until God allows it, you're right. Thus the Church presently enjoys the freedom to meet and operate as she pleases. That does not change what is going on all around the Church, which is nothing short of jaw dropping sin. EVERYWHERE. The internet and the entertainment industries are literally awash in pornography. The number of out of wedlock births are nothing shy of astronomical, and nobody I know can actually tell us the true number. The Obama Administration put the quash on releasing that particular statistic, which as of 2012 was 47%. Safe to say that fully one half of the people born in this nation are wards of the state, which means taxpayers are on the hook and BTW, welcome the horrors of ObamaCare. The abortion rate is horrific, as is the murder rate. Drugs are so plentiful one cannot turn around without bumping into a dealer. And I don't care what you say, the sin of homosexuality is the quicksilver sin of swift and ultimate destruction. And it is both state sponsored and rampant.

Democrats in general call such ignorance 'moving the country forward,' Nancy Pelosi says they are all art students, and Chuck Schumer can't even talk about it without crying tears of joy.
TheRealThing Wrote:The Church cannot be touched until God allows it, you're right. Thus the Church presently enjoys the freedom to meet and operate as she pleases. That does not change what is going on all around the Church, which is nothing short of jaw dropping sin. EVERYWHERE. The internet and the entertainment industries are literally awash in pornography. The number of out of wedlock births are nothing shy of astronomical, and nobody I know can actually tell us the true number. The Obama Administration put the quash on releasing that particular statistic, which as of 2012 was 47%. Safe to say that fully one half of the people born in this nation are wards of the state, which means taxpayers are on the hook and BTW, welcome the horrors of ObamaCare. The abortion rate is horrific, as is the murder rate. Drugs are so plentiful one cannot turn around without bumping into a dealer. And I don't care what you say, the sin of homosexuality is the quicksilver sin of swift and ultimate destruction. And it is both state sponsored and rampant.

Democrats in general call such ignorance 'moving the country forward,' Nancy Pelosi says they are all art students, and Chuck Schumer can't even talk about it without crying tears of joy.

An angel was about to be dragged out of a house and raped by men. This was Sodom and Gomorrah. There is a level of depravity pictured there which I personally have not witnessed nor seen reported. In my opinion, granting equal protection under the law, in spite of differences, religions, etc. is moving the country in the direction of the general providence (grace) of God, who makes his rain to fall, his sun to shine, on just and unjust, good and evil. This will not always be so.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:An angel was about to be dragged out of a house and raped by men. This was Sodom and Gomorrah. There is a level of depravity pictured there which I personally have not witnessed nor seen reported. In my opinion, granting equal protection under the law, in spite of differences, religions, etc. is moving the country in the direction of the general providence (grace) of God, who makes his rain to fall, his sun to shine, on just and unjust, good and evil. This will not always be so.




Your opinion is wrong. There were no protections being denied, equal or otherwise in the history of this nation. The courts moved in defiance of the will of the people and you know it. 70% was the average winning margin for those who voted to uphold the one man, one woman definition of marriage in the various state referendums. As I have said, the people got litigated into submission by activist judges on the order of the 9th circus.

And, again, you are wrong: if 70% of Alabama's electorate had denied African Americans equal protection under the law, it would not matter, as a Constitutional safeguard was at issue. For two men or two women to join in a union recognized by the state does not pick your pocket, does not hinder your free exercise of religion. What it does is nettle your desire to not live in a place where homosexuals can marry. Now, it is plain to see, I would hope, the dangers inherent in that principle applied in place of equal protection under the law.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
And, again, you are wrong: if 70% of Alabama's electorate had denied African Americans equal protection under the law, it would not matter, as a Constitutional safeguard was at issue. For two men or two women to join in a union recognized by the state does not pick your pocket, does not hinder your free exercise of religion. What it does is nettle your desire to not live in a place where homosexuals can marry. Now, it is plain to see, I would hope, the dangers inherent in that principle applied in place of equal protection under the law.



See the thought processes of the liberal revisionist mind here on display folks! In the blather above we see that not only do you merchandize in speculative musings, you are perfectly willing to compromise history and God's Word to suit your liberal/progressive obsessions in order to do so. Not to worry. The true Church will soon be removed from earth, which in turn will remove any remaining roadblocks, and you guys will have the run of the place for a few years.

Of course, the party will only last as mentioned, a few short years, until the horrors of Antichrist will be brought to bear. At that point you'll have to fall back on your trusty default, that of denial and strong self-delusion. But hey, if anybody's a pro at it, it would have to be you so you got that covered. At that point there will be no protection to be had, equal, partial or even momentary. And though the time frame leading up to the plagues of famine, war, pestilence and much more as mentioned in The Revelation, will indeed be short, you will nonetheless have plenty of time to consider all you have said in advocacy for homosexual depravity and other things. Then you can tell us all about the liberal alter-reality where the truths of God are separated by some kind of imaginary 'wall,' from government and the horrors which abound. Enjoy it. :Thumbs:
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Let's see, the idea is that equal protection under the law, as a principle, functions somewhat like the general grace of God, which causes son to shine and rain to fall on righteous and unrighteous, just and unjust. To which, near as I can tell, Peacock PeeWeeGee, you have no answer, save falling back on your own Peacockian preening. The fact that you cannot differentiate between advocacy for freedom of conscience and equal protection and promoting sin is reason enough to set a watch against giving too much power or influence to your ilk.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:⬆⬆
Let's see, the idea is that equal protection under the law, as a principle, functions somewhat like the general grace of God, which causes son to shine and rain to fall on righteous and unrighteous, just and unjust. To which, near as I can tell, Peacock PeeWeeGee, you have no answer, save falling back on your own Peacockian preening. The fact that you cannot differentiate between advocacy for freedom of conscience and equal protection and promoting sin is reason enough to set a watch against giving too much power or influence to your ilk.



Don't try and bring godly principles into this when you don't even accept His Word. Freedom of conscience is not in the Constitution, equal protection does not cover the sin of homosexuality.
TheRealThing Wrote:Don't try and bring godly principles into this when you don't even accept His Word. Freedom of conscience is not in the Constitution, equal protection does not cover the sin of homosexuality.

You are wrong. And, any time you are ready, Peacock, move on over to the Religion Forum, and we'll reason from the Scriptures. Or anywhere else. You name the place.

Freedom of conscience undergirds, like steel under the Golden Gate Bridge, and it's disturbing that you don't know that.
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:You are wrong. And, any time you are ready, Peacock, move on over to the Religion Forum, and we'll reason from the Scriptures. Or anywhere else. You name the place.

Freedom of conscience undergirds, like steel under the Golden Gate Bridge, and it's disturbing that you don't know that.



Oh I grant you that you're disturbed, but for the 100th time show that to me in the wording of the Constitution or admit you're a revisionist. But we all know you can't because IT AIN'T THERE. That's "the place" but like I said, once Antichrist rises, you guys will have the run of the place and you can make the Constitution say whatever you want it to. Have fun with that.