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Amen.

It's going to be great to watch Obama leave town on his last taxpayer-paid trip. It is too bad that he does not have a one-way ticket. He is building a wall around the mansion he bought in DC and planning to stay here to continue his work as a socialist agitator.

^^ There was one particular camera shot that I would think others will mention during the President's address. With Bush in the background and Obama in the foreground and the words of Mr Trump still hanging in the air, which went like this; "The wealth of America has been ripped from middle class homes and redistributed across the world. But that is the past and from this day forward we will look only to the future."

It was at this point that Bush was shown giving Obama a priceless glance to see if there was any visible reaction to the redistribution remark. The signature Obama smirk was still present, and though with the power that once backed it gone by the space of only a few minutes, his time was already firmly relegated to the past as Trump declared the identity politics that Barack had stood for and worked for, would soon be washed away.

I would like to think the lights in the Oval Office will be on late into the night, as the new pen in town, trump's the Executive Orders of the Obama Era.

For all of the wonderful designers who refused to dress Melania Trump, she did pretty good today.

Some of the announcers were likening her to Jackie O. Nope! No pill box hat or shades of pink. Mrs. Trump stepped out in a powder blue Ralph Lauren frock with matching long gloves. Stunning!!!!

Between Gingrich, Clinton and Biden staring at her, the slobber got knee deep. nicker:

Also, something that I noticed that probably doesn't say anything to anybody but me. Ivanka wore white today. I saw her pick up her son and sling him on her hip while his little wet feet were dripping. I thought that was pretty cool.

Though JFK is so highly revered, history usually recalls only one sentence from an otherwise remarkable inaugural address. "Ask not what your country can do for you" In that day we Americans lived under the dark existential threat as posed by the specter nuclear war. A threat BTW which remains just as real, though somehow we've learned to ignore it. A burgeoning Red China had exploded the bomb in 1964, but they could not as yet deliver it and we faced only a nuclear Russia. Some pretty nasty actors have been added to the nuclear list since then, which only serves to greatly intensify the threat. Still we ignore it. We're told by the left that we're safer now than ever. After hearing Trump critics talking about how 'dark' his inaugural address was, I naturally thought of the JFK speech which I believe for the sake of historical perspective, is well worth revisiting. And I can say one thing for sure, Kennedy was not in favor of the US laying down her arms while her sworn enemies were in nuclear build up.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8032

Both men were lucidly pragmatic and unafraid to call out problems facing the nation. That ability to face reality is the solid foundation upon which true leaders walk. Trump's speech was real and profound, and probably as inspiring as any political speech I have ever heard. ''

But I mentioned Trump's critics. They are the left, (part of which are RINO's) and we should not expect the attacks to ever stop. The reason is the liberal's propensity to self delusion. For the same reason they have steadfastly rejected the deteriorating conditions of the county and the world around us of late, they will reject improvements to same under this administration. For example, since the unemployment rate was north of 10% under their watch, they merely changed the formula used to calculate the rate. If medical costs more than double under their watch, they say it would have been far worse if they'd not stepped in with ObamaCare. With the smoke of an entire civilization still ascending into the heavens, they extoll their foreign policy success. They did exactly the same thing to Reagan, resurging with a vengeance in the Clinton and Obama Administrations. While to their shame, fearful and timid Republicans have been pushed back since the departure of Mr Reagan.

In the end times, men will prefer to believe a lie and though it would seem truth has for a time received a slim margin of national reprieve, but only because the voter has awakened and stood up for truth. It has been said that freedom is a gift bought by the sacrifice of others, but one that must be reclaimed by each generation. America then has distinguished herself once again as the land of the free. And if we're fortunate, we may under God's sovereign will, live to see His Work advanced and actually have something to do with it.

I thought Ted Cruz missed the boat when he distanced himself from DJT, who I believe God has raised up for this time. The privilege he could have enjoyed as VP for 8 years under Trump and President of his own for the following 8 years has been instead given to Mike Pence.

I prefer Pence.

Watching the complete celebrity liberal meltdown alone was worth electing Trump.

No matter how well he does, these paid for agitators will continue the weakning of our democracy but common sense will prevail.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Sadly, even the liberals get to reap the benefits of a Trump presidency.

Paid agitators? The guys in black and masks??

They showed a bunch of them standing on second floor balconies throwing bricks at the police line. My husband thought it would've been a good idea to take fire hoses to them, and sort of sweep them down to the ground.

TheRealThing Wrote:Though JFK is so highly revered, history usually recalls only one sentence from an otherwise remarkable inaugural address. "Ask not what your country can do for you" In that day we Americans lived under the dark existential threat as posed by the specter nuclear war. A threat BTW which remains just as real, though somehow we've learned to ignore it. A burgeoning Red China had exploded the bomb in 1964, but they could not as yet deliver it and we faced only a nuclear Russia. Some pretty nasty actors have been added to the nuclear list since then, which only serves to greatly intensify the threat. Still we ignore it. We're told by the left that we're safer now than ever. After hearing Trump critics talking about how 'dark' his inaugural address was, I naturally thought of the JFK speech which I believe for the sake of historical perspective, is well worth revisiting. And I can say one thing for sure, Kennedy was not in favor of the US laying down her arms while her sworn enemies were in nuclear build up.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8032

Both men were lucidly pragmatic and unafraid to call out problems facing the nation. That ability to face reality is the solid foundation upon which true leaders walk. Trump's speech was real and profound, and probably as inspiring as any political speech I have ever heard. ''

But I mentioned Trump's critics. They are the left, (part of which are RINO's) and we should not expect the attacks to ever stop. The reason is the liberal's propensity to self delusion. For the same reason they have steadfastly rejected the deteriorating conditions of the county and the world around us of late, they will reject improvements to same under this administration. For example, since the unemployment rate was north of 10% under their watch, they merely changed the formula used to calculate the rate. If medical costs more than double under their watch, they say it would have been far worse if they'd not stepped in with ObamaCare. With the smoke of an entire civilization still ascending into the heavens, they extoll their foreign policy success. They did exactly the same thing to Reagan, resurging with a vengeance in the Clinton and Obama Administrations. While to their shame, fearful and timid Republicans have been pushed back since the departure of Mr Reagan.

In the end times, men will prefer to believe a lie and though it would seem truth has for a time received a slim margin of national reprieve, but only because the voter has awakened and stood up for truth. It has been said that freedom is a gift bought by the sacrifice of others, but one that must be reclaimed by each generation. America then has distinguished herself once again as the land of the free. And if we're fortunate, we may under God's sovereign will, live to see His Work advanced and actually have something to do with it.

I thought Ted Cruz missed the boat when he distanced himself from DJT, who I believe God has raised up for this time. The privilege he could have enjoyed as VP for 8 years under Trump and President of his own for the following 8 years has been instead given to Mike Pence.

Trump missed the boat when he repeated the insane allegations that Lee Harvey Oswald and Rafael Cruz were close buddies and that Rafael may have been involved in the assassination of JFK. Under the circumstances, anybody with any self respect would have distanced himself from Trump. I was surprised that Cruz ended up campaigning for Trump to ensure that he carried Texas. I am glad that Hillary Clinton lost, but I do not believe that God hand picked Trump to lead the country, any more than he hand picked Hillary Clinton to run against Trump.

Granny Bear Wrote:Paid agitators? The guys in black and masks??

They showed a bunch of them standing on second floor balconies throwing bricks at the police line. My husband thought it would've been a good idea to take fire hoses to them, and sort of sweep them down to the ground.

I posted on another forum that the police should have responded to the bricks with fire hoses and tear gas. Are you sure that you don't live in Fairfax County, Virginia, Granny? :biggrin:

Afraid not. Celebrating 45 years of marriage today to a no nonsense Viet Nam vet. Still live within a mile of where I was born.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Trump missed the boat when he repeated the insane allegations that Lee Harvey Oswald and Rafael Cruz were close buddies and that Rafael may have been involved in the assassination of JFK. Under the circumstances, anybody with any self respect would have distanced himself from Trump. I was surprised that Cruz ended up campaigning for Trump to ensure that he carried Texas. I am glad that Hillary Clinton lost, but I do not believe that God hand picked Trump to lead the country, any more than he hand picked Hillary Clinton to run against Trump.

You didn't get much of anything right during the campaign, if you doubt that go back and read some of the stuff you put out on your 'Case Against" thread. Trump didn't need Cruz to pick up Texas. Further, the bias of political polls which supposedly revealed Texas, Alabama and Georgia were 'in play' has since been laid bare.


Feel strongly about whether God raised up DJT do you? God is involved deeply in the affairs of men, He is the One Who sets up kings and presidents.

Daniel 2:21 (KJV)
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Romans 13:1
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Romans 9:17 (KJV)
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Obviously though it is He Who sets them up, those who rule don't always fit our idea of good kings and leaders. Sometimes we deserve correction and not blessing. In 1 Samuel Chapter 8 we see the account of God setting up a king in Israel who did the land great disservice. The reason given was because the people rejected the judgeship of Samuel as intended and ordained of God, instead demanding a king be set over them, as in other lands. They got what they deserved, as God said to Samuel, "and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them;" Just as I believe America has over the past decades gotten the kind of Presidents her people have deserved. In exactly the same way as Israel, we have rejected the Godly tenets of Christianity and begun making laws more palatable to present taste.

But now we have a new leader in the person of Donald J Trump, and though history has not yet written his chapter, I am confident that he is there because it has been God's sovereign will to put him there. That is why I often return to my going down the drain analogy. We deserve judgment for the evil of abortion and the national advancement of depravity. It is my hope for the sakes of all Americans, that since the voter rejected the candidates and Party which champions those evils, He may spare us from the immediacy of certain judgment. Why He would do that is because He is just to forgive the sins of the penitent. Therefore it is my hope that the election results are the reflection of the beginnings of repentance among the people. If so, we could yet be out in the calmer waters of the drain vortex. If not, perhaps it was already too late and we're farther down the drain than may appear or is hoped. Either way, it is God Who sets up those who rule.

Granny Bear Wrote:I prefer Pence.

^^Me too. I still believe history has a place for Cruz, he is a much needed conservative voice in the federal government.

TheRealThing Wrote:You didn't get much of anything right during the campaign, if you doubt that go back and read some of the stuff you put out on your 'Case Against" thread. Trump didn't need Cruz to pick up Texas. Further, the bias of political polls which supposedly revealed Texas, Alabama and Georgia were 'in play' has since been laid bare.


Feel strongly about whether God raised up DJT do you? God is involved deeply in the affairs of men, He is the One Who sets up kings and presidents.

Daniel 2:21 (KJV)
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Romans 13:1
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Romans 9:17 (KJV)
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Obviously though it is He Who sets them up, those who rule don't always fit our idea of good kings and leaders. Sometimes we deserve correction and not blessing. In 1 Samuel Chapter 8 we see the account of God setting up a king in Israel who did the land great disservice. The reason given was because the people rejected the judgeship of Samuel as intended and ordained of God, instead demanding a king be set over them, as in other lands. They got what they deserved, as God said to Samuel, "and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them;" Just as I believe America has over the past decades gotten the kind of Presidents her people have deserved. In exactly the same way as Israel, we have rejected the Godly tenets of Christianity and begun making laws more palatable to present taste.

But now we have a new leader in the person of Donald J Trump, and though history has not yet written his chapter, I am confident that he is there because it has been God's sovereign will to put him there. That is why I often return to my going down the drain analogy. We deserve judgment for the evil of abortion and the national advancement of depravity. It is my hope for the sakes of all Americans, that since the voter rejected the candidates and Party which champions those evils, He may spare us from the immediacy of certain judgment. Why He would do that is because He is just to forgive the sins of the penitent. Therefore it is my hope that the election results are the reflection of the beginnings of repentance among the people. If so, we could yet be out in the calmer waters of the drain vortex. If not, perhaps it was already too late and we're farther down the drain than may appear or is hoped. Either way, it is God Who sets up those who rule.

Sorry, I lost the patience of reading your long winded rants a long time ago. If you have not noticed, there is not much participation in this forum these days - thanks in large part to your sanctimonious, rambling sermons no doubt.

TheRealThing Wrote:You didn't get much of anything right during the campaign, if you doubt that go back and read some of the stuff you put out on your 'Case Against" thread. Trump didn't need Cruz to pick up Texas. Further, the bias of political polls which supposedly revealed Texas, Alabama and Georgia were 'in play' has since been laid bare.


Feel strongly about whether God raised up DJT do you? God is involved deeply in the affairs of men, He is the One Who sets up kings and presidents.

Daniel 2:21 (KJV)
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Romans 13:1
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Romans 9:17 (KJV)
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Obviously though it is He Who sets them up, those who rule don't always fit our idea of good kings and leaders. Sometimes we deserve correction and not blessing. In 1 Samuel Chapter 8 we see the account of God setting up a king in Israel who did the land great disservice. The reason given was because the people rejected the judgeship of Samuel as intended and ordained of God, instead demanding a king be set over them, as in other lands. They got what they deserved, as God said to Samuel, "and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them;" Just as I believe America has over the past decades gotten the kind of Presidents her people have deserved. In exactly the same way as Israel, we have rejected the Godly tenets of Christianity and begun making laws more palatable to present taste.

But now we have a new leader in the person of Donald J Trump, and though history has not yet written his chapter, I am confident that he is there because it has been God's sovereign will to put him there. That is why I often return to my going down the drain analogy. We deserve judgment for the evil of abortion and the national advancement of depravity. It is my hope for the sakes of all Americans, that since the voter rejected the candidates and Party which champions those evils, He may spare us from the immediacy of certain judgment. Why He would do that is because He is just to forgive the sins of the penitent. Therefore it is my hope that the election results are the reflection of the beginnings of repentance among the people. If so, we could yet be out in the calmer waters of the drain vortex. If not, perhaps it was already too late and we're farther down the drain than may appear or is hoped. Either way, it is God Who sets up those who rule.

Did God also make theses leaders?

Roe v Wade Decision 1973
Majority
Harry Blackmun Nixon
Warren E. Burger. Nixon
William O. Douglas. FDR
William J. Brennan. Eisenhower
Potter Stewart. Eisenhower
Thurgood Marshall. FDR
Lewis Powell. Nixon
Minority
Byron White. Kennedy
William Rehnquist. Nixon

The Majority Justices must have all been liberals, yes? Perhaps appointed by Democratic presidents? Wrong. Blackmun, who penned the Supreme Court’s final Majority opinion, was appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon. Also appointed by Nixon were Burgher and Powell. So far, three of the seven Justices in the Majority were appointed by a Republican President. But do not forget that Brennan and Stewart were appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower. This means that five of the seven Majority Justices were appointed by Republican presidents (Douglas and Marshall were appointed by Democratic Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon B. Johnson, respectively). What’s more, take the two Democratic-appointed judges out of the Majority, and you are still left with all-Republican majority of the Court that legalizes abortion.
Only White (appointed by Democratic President John F. Kennedy) and Renquist (appointed by Nixon) opposed the Court’s decision to legalize abortion in the United States.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Sorry, I lost the patience of reading your long winded rants a long time ago. If you have not noticed, there is not much participation in this forum these days - thanks in large part to your sanctimonious, rambling sermons no doubt.

LOL, whereas I just hang on every word of yours.

You want to be right about everything and so patience for those with whom you disagree is limited. Family trait? And of course you always lead by example, as in the spirit of being succinct and eschewing long winded rants you've put up literally hundreds of posts slamming Trump, all of which were completely engorged with lies and speculations. And which BTW, have since been shown completely wrong.

But in the face of the evidence I understand your sidestep, though I do not agree with misrepresentations of God's sovereignty. If I have erred about God's involvement, put up something in support other than arrogant self absorbed assumption. But then you can't can you? God's own Word is chief among mere opinion, therefore I rather enjoy posting It.

TheRealThing Wrote:LOL, whereas I just hang on every word of yours.

You want to be right about everything and so patience for those with whom you disagree is limited. Family trait? And of course you always lead by example, as in the spirit of being succinct and eschewing long winded rants you've put up literally hundreds of posts slamming Trump, all of which were completely engorged with lies and speculations. And which BTW, have since been shown completely wrong.

But in the face of the evidence I understand your sidestep, though I do not agree with misrepresentations of God's sovereignty. If I have erred about God's involvement, put up something in support other than arrogant self absorbed assumption. But then you can't can you? God's own Word is chief among mere opinion, therefore I rather enjoy posting It.

History tells me that when followers believe that their leaders were elevated to a powerful position through divine intervention, problems usually follow. Hopefully there are not many nutcases who believe that God installed Donald Trump as President of the United States. If He did, then that's great, but it is, at a minimum, creepy to believe that He did so, based on the available evidence. There is nothing divine about American politics.

However, I will leave more extensive pontificating on the topic to your nimble fingers. You seem to have plenty of time to engage in such pursuits and you do seem to enjoy reading your own posts so much. 😁

vector Wrote:Did God also make theses leaders?

Roe v Wade Decision 1973
Majority
Harry Blackmun Nixon
Warren E. Burger. Nixon
William O. Douglas. FDR
William J. Brennan. Eisenhower
Potter Stewart. Eisenhower
Thurgood Marshall. FDR
Lewis Powell. Nixon
Minority
Byron White. Kennedy
William Rehnquist. Nixon

The Majority Justices must have all been liberals, yes? Perhaps appointed by Democratic presidents? Wrong. Blackmun, who penned the Supreme Court’s final Majority opinion, was appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon. Also appointed by Nixon were Burgher and Powell. So far, three of the seven Justices in the Majority were appointed by a Republican President. But do not forget that Brennan and Stewart were appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower. This means that five of the seven Majority Justices were appointed by Republican presidents (Douglas and Marshall were appointed by Democratic Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon B. Johnson, respectively). What’s more, take the two Democratic-appointed judges out of the Majority, and you are still left with all-Republican majority of the Court that legalizes abortion.
Only White (appointed by Democratic President John F. Kennedy) and Renquist (appointed by Nixon) opposed the Court’s decision to legalize abortion in the United States.

We're not talking about appointees such as Justices, we're talking about kings, presidents, premiers, tsars and world leaders. Everybody else you've listed are again, (as you already pointed out) appointed by those leaders. Thanks for helping me make the case. But yes. God knows every single fact there is to know. He even knows from one second to the next how many hairs are on your head vector, if one falls off, He still knows how many are left and He knows it before that falling hair hits the floor.

Matthew 10:29-30 (KJV)
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. (seeing it)
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

In fact, God knows every word that you and I will ever speak, or write. He can look forward and backward into time like we would a VCR tape. He knows every single nuance of history, and He has already seen every single nuance of the future. Thus prophecy (the future) is but history pre-recorded. So yes, in setting up Nixon and Eisenhower God knew who they would appoint to the Supreme Court.

Now I don't want to get too long winded here because we all know how irritated Hoot gets. The idea though, is that all men, and girls, are responsible for their own actions. You can bet the consciences of those justices that ruled in the Roe case were screaming. Just as are the consciences of women who abort their children. We all sin because it is our nature to sin. But yet though all have sinned, some, choose to bow before Him in repentance, and it is his good pleasure to forgive those who do. Nonetheless, we have His Word laying all over the halls of Congress and the Supreme Court. The very walls are inscribed with Scripture. At one time American lawmakers and Justices, though they may have been lost, would never have been brazen enough to pass laws which overturned God law such as legalized abortion and the repeal of DADT. But that was the reflection of the attitude of that day. In our day we see that we will roll right over God's law, and lawmakers regularly campaign unashamedly on doing just that.

Yes liberals permeate our system and they always will. But people like me like to blow their cover. The founders were extremely mindful of the Lordship and sovereignty of God, and such is reflected in our history and writings. It is my contention that adherence to those Godly tenets has made this nation great as history clearly demonstrates. If we abandon our God and our morals, we lose our authority to govern, because everything becomes one man's word against another. We tend then in the absence of Christian ethics, to rely on law precedent to win disputes, but precedent is always under the attack of lawyers who argue so that they may win a case. So lawyers chip away at the foundations of precedent as a matter of daily practice. Therefore as precedent (which was at one time based on Godly tenets) continues to erode, so does our state of affairs. There are those for example, who are mindlessly opposed to borders and state sovereignty.

Thus my argument, we are going down the drain. A national return to observance of the sovereignty of God is our only remedy.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV)
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

60 million aborted since Roe, that alone should motivate every person in this land to hang their head in shame, as it should cause every Christian to fall before God in prayer and repentance.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:History tells me that when followers believe that their leaders were elevated to a powerful position through divine intervention, problems usually follow. Hopefully there are not many nutcases who believe that God installed Donald Trump as President of the United States. If He did, then that's great, but it is, at a minimum, creepy to believe that He did so, based on the available evidence. There is nothing divine about American politics.

However, I will leave more extensive pontificating on the topic to your nimble fingers. You seem to have plenty of time to engage in such pursuits and you do seem to enjoy reading your own posts so much. ��

Yes sir, that is the secular view, and in such you are correct.

TheRealThing Wrote:Yes sir, that is the secular view, and in such you are correct.

Just trying to provide some balance to the view of a cult follower's perspective. I don't think God engages in petty party politics. It is sad that you believe He does so.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Just trying to provide some balance to the view of a cult follower's perspective. I don't think God engages in petty party politics. It is sad that you believe He does so.

That's one perspective. Another would be that a man's ability to deny clear scriptural references which prove that it is God Who installs leaders is sad. And I suppose it could be deemed sad that you think the installment of a US President is petty politics. But then, your batting average about all of this has been pretty sad.

Everybody has their own opinion about God, and you are no exception to the rule. The only one which matters is as defined by Him, In Scripture. I hope you will someday see that.

TO WIT^^

Day one of the Trump era--- Executive Order #3 is signed which cuts off funding to international organizations which support the practice of abortion.


Further, Mr Trump sets up early February meet with Benjamin Netanyahu. The beginning realignment of US and Israeli foreign policy initiatives.

TheRealThing Wrote:Yes sir, that is the secular view, and in such you are correct.

No sir, this is not the secular view that Hoot described.

The best minds of our Framers would have been in much agreement with Hoot's post regarding this.

The Urban Sombrero Wrote:No sir, this is not the secular view that Hoot described.

The best minds of our Framers would have been in much agreement with Hoot's post regarding this.

Of course that is the view Hoot described. He initially challenged the idea that God sets up leaders such as kings and presidents. When I posted proof that He does, Hoot did as you like to do, he merely slid over a few metaphorical feet to set up a defense on a similar but completely different topic.

Secular history does not, nor would any rational person expect it to attribute the fall of Greece and Rome to homosexuality, but the Scriptures do. Only the secular believe that God's account of the past collides with or differs from the record. That is one reason I chose to cite Daniel 2:21 (KJV)
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Those who deny that Scripture deals with all the machinations and shenanigans of men, do not fully understand reality. So you're on the side of the naysayers on this one too no doubt? But I would expect you to keep trying to make our heritage match your spiritual misconceptions, one day you will convince yourself.

TheRealThing Wrote:Of course that is the view Hoot described. He initially challenged the idea that God sets up leaders such as kings and presidents. When I posted proof that He does, Hoot did as you like to do, he merely slid over a few metaphorical feet to set up a defense on a similar but completely different topic.

Secular history does not, nor would any rational person expect it to attribute the fall of Greece and Rome to homosexuality, but the Scriptures do. Only the secular believe that God's account of the past collides with or differs from the record. That is one reason I chose to cite Daniel 2:21 (KJV)
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Those who deny that Scripture deals with all the machinations and shenanigans of men, do not fully understand reality. So you're on the side of the naysayers on this one too no doubt? But I would expect you to keep trying to make our heritage match your spiritual misconceptions, one day you will convince yourself.

In that BY HIS OWN WORDS, Donald Trump says he is not a Bible reader, and that he chose prosperity gospel heretics as his "spiritual advisers," how, pray tell, is President Trump to access such knowledge and wisdom?

Constantine duped Roman Christians. History repeats. Hitching wagons to earthly potentates with uncritical zeal? Surely you realize, TRT, that is Scripturally unwise. I hope President Trump proves himself a decent and honorable man who is faithful to his oaths and stated beliefs. Even in deep disagreement with him on many issues, I hope he proves himself a wise and principled leader.

The Urban Sombrero Wrote:In that BY HIS OWN WORDS, Donald Trump says he is not a Bible reader, and that he chose prosperity gospel heretics as his "spiritual advisers," how, pray tell, is President Trump to access such knowledge and wisdom?

Constantine duped Roman Christians. History repeats. Hitching wagons to earthly potentates with uncritical zeal? Surely you realize, TRT, that is Scripturally unwise. I hope President Trump proves himself a decent and honorable man who is faithful to his oaths and stated beliefs. Even in deep disagreement with him on many issues, I hope he proves himself a wise and principled leader.

As always, most of what I say winds up going over your head. You're the one that Scripture verse was aimed at, not Trump. Nobody I know from among Christian spokesmen has ever said that Trump was any kind of spiritual example. I have said that Trump nonetheless respects the sovereignty of God and that that is a tremendous advantage. But if you really knew Biblical truths, you'd know that God for example, used some kings of Babylon and Persia among others, to accomplish His plan for Israel. And not all, but some of those kings actually came to serve God openly.

You have a tendency to stand in the kiddie pool and criticize those who frequent the high dive. It's very likely that you aren't fooling anybody, and I can assure you don't me. But there is one point at which we agree. I hope he proves to be wise leader, as I hope his eyes will be opened to the things I disagree with him on. BTW, I notice the object of your affection managed to send a further 221 million dollars to the Palestinians quite literally as he was going out the door.

TheRealThing Wrote:As always, most of what I say winds up going over your head. You're the one that Scripture verse was aimed at, not Trump. Nobody I know from among Christian spokesmen has ever said that Trump was any kind of spiritual example. I have said that Trump nonetheless respects the sovereignty of God and that that is a tremendous advantage. But if you really knew Biblical truths, you'd know that God for example, used some kings of Babylon and Persia among others, to accomplish His plan for Israel. And not all, but some of those kings actually came to serve God openly.

You have a tendency to stand in the kiddie pool and criticize those who frequent the high dive. It's very likely that you aren't fooling anybody, and I can assure you don't me. But there is one point at which we agree. I hope he proves to be wise leader, as I hope his eyes will be opened to the things I disagree with him on. BTW, I notice the object of your affection managed to send a further 221 million dollars to the Palestinians quite literally as he was going out the door.

I've seen you belly flop from the high dive of arrogance, true enough. I will say this again: Barack Obama was not "my President." You inhabit an "either-or, us against them, me against the world" mindset. I am not the only poster who thinks in your defense of Trump you have often let politics wag your faith. I find you more Jewish polity in mindset than Christian, with the same stiff-necked arrogance.

"Vote for Constantine. He's a friend to us. I know he loves orgies, men and women, but he's in our corner, and by the sword, his triumph shall be ours." Dangerous and dubious reasoning.

Let us say Palestinians are the enemy, though as a threat to the United States, they are more irritant than danger. Let us say, also, they are a people who have experienced tremendous suffering and disruption of every day life since 1948. Let us further say they are children born of the slave woman, who was given promises of her own by God. Could the 221 million be viewed as obedience to Christ? The Sermon on the Mount brought to the level of policy? Or is that impossible in the Bible according to TRT and Dallas BaptistLand?

TheRealThing Wrote:That's one perspective. Another would be that a man's ability to deny clear scriptural references which prove that it is God Who installs leaders is sad. And I suppose it could be deemed sad that you think the installment of a US President is petty politics. But then, your batting average about all of this has been pretty sad.

Everybody has their own opinion about God, and you are no exception to the rule. The only one which matters is as defined by Him, In Scripture. I hope you will someday see that.

TRT, I am really doing my best not to be dragged down to your level again but you don't make it easy.

Ronald Reagan considered anybody who agreed with him 80 percent of the time to be an ally. We probably share 90 percent of our political positions, if not more, yet you have continued your personal attacks because I strongly opposed Trump in the primaries (and even took the time to cast a primary vote against him). It speaks volumes about you when a liberal like the Sombrero, who probably disagrees with my political positions 80 percent of the time, consistently shows better manners than you. Most people can disagree without being disagreeable, but you are one of the exceptions.

As for Trump, he is off to a great start. Aside from lying about the size of the crowd at the inauguration, not demanding Comey's resignation, and not asking Sessions to go after Hillary, Trump has far exceeded my expectations so far. However, I never expect anybody to agree with me 100 percent of the time and if I agree with 80 percent of what Trump does, then I will be singing his praises. That's just the kind of guy that I am.