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When considering what the fundamental transformation of the United States may have meant back when it was first being advocated for by our President, I thought he was referring to the tenets of social justice. And though that prospect seemed unnerving at the time, the possibility of a fundamentally transformed system of justice had not yet occurred to me.

Not only does that eventuality now seem likely, but the aspects of what that might mean past Major League Baseball games being played in empty stadiums are more than unnerving, they are terrifying. There was a rationale put forth back in the early 80's, which held that black offenders were victims or targets, of police brutality, rather than criminals. This is the line of rationale the good Reverend Al Sharpton has been developing and preaching his whole checkered career. (That is if one could characterize what he does as being legal) People dismissed Sharpton's drivel out of hand as the rant of a drug user back then but, today seems to be a new day. Remember, the good reverend is a top advisor to our President who has himself been sounding a little like Al lately in constantly condemning police, instead of the criminals who police are being forced to treat like royalty. At any rate, the liberals have gotten their way and criminals are now being treated as if their only vice is having been victimized by a society that passed them by. And guess what? Things are more out of hand than at any time in our nation's history. The definition of insanity reigns supreme.

Back during the Trayvon Martin affair, there was glimmer of an idea put forth by media, and that idea was supported by comments made from the White House. An idea which was carefully couched in terms that to ferret out, sort of required people to read between the lines a bit. Cleverly alleging that the police department in Sanford, Florida was hiding something maleficent. And in trying to cover up the murder of a black teen by a white man, it was made to seem as though the investigation was nearly non existent. And that because Trayvon was black, nobody at the Sheriff's Office really cared what had actually happened. National sentiment seemed to accept the notion that we citizens could not trust the police report. And, that mistrust has since grown to such an extent that not trusting police has become a virtual foregone conclusion anytime white officers are forced to deal with a black offender. Hence, the volcanic eruptions in Baltimore are not even questioned even though there is a witness, (another prisoner who was in the van no less) who has testified that Gray was trying to hurt himself in the police van. Now folks, the Weather Underground said they didn't need a weatherman to tell them which way the wind was blowing. And likewise, I don't need a doctor to tell me that a guy with a severed spinal cord, and who had to be drug to the police van because his legs weren't working, would be incapable of throwing himself around in that van trying to hurt himself.

The escalation of violence associated with an increasingly militant attitude by black people toward white cops is more than obvious to even the most casual observer. As is the lack of any kind of meaningful response by the authorities. In fact, that Mom who saw her 15 minutes of fame coalesce around the scene which showed her slapping her 16 year old son for his role in the violence of Baltimore, was the most response I have seen to date. It would be past naïve to think police are not being directed to stand down from up the line.

The federal government already controls most of the things that happen in this country, we certainly don't need to hand over control of our state and city law enforcement to boot. And, I would like to go on record in saying that I do trust law enforcement and that further, the police acted correctly in the cases sensationalized by the media. A media who never apologizes for wrongly stirring up insurrection which has resulted in injury, death, and millions of dollars in property damage.
I don't know what to say, TRT. I just can't believe it. It's easy for us to remember all this talk in 08 about "fundamental transformation," but it was just so difficult to believe that it could all happen so quickly, by 2016. And the even more frightening aspect, is that we have a year and a half to go before we are fully transformed.

I do think I'm beginning to understand a lot of the confusion in our society on same-sex "marriage" in that marriage is not between a man and a woman. That confusion being, we can't even tell what a man or a woman is now.
WideRight05 Wrote:I don't know what to say, TRT. I just can't believe it. It's easy for us to remember all this talk in 08 about "fundamental transformation," but it was just so difficult to believe that it could all happen so quickly, by 2016. And the even more frightening aspect, is that we have a year and a half to go before we are fully transformed.

I do think I'm beginning to understand a lot of the confusion in our society on same-sex "marriage" in that marriage is not between a man and a woman. That confusion being, we can't even tell what a man or a woman is now.



LOL, yeah it's more like an agreement between life forms these days.

Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Three verses from the first book of the Bible. Within them is everything one might need to refute the viability of liberalism, global warming, plant and animal rights, and the abomination of homosexuality. We are made in the image of God, that being the case; we are meant to have dominion over all the earth, the animals, on land and sea and air. That means the oil, and the coal and the natural gas I might add.

Welfare subverts man's intended function on this earth. With no job to report to malcontents now roam the streets of the US in search of a reason to destroy our country. On September 17, 2011 we saw the birth of national rebellion in the form of something called Occupy Wall Street. The idea was that common men were rising up against the successful in US with certain malice. And we see how far things have gone in the scant 3 1/2 years since. Mobs roam the streets and it will only get much worse unless law enforcement is allowed to fulfill their charge. We were meant to marry a vision of loveliness, our wife, and go out and subdue the earth and everything in the earth. We are meant to have a family and replenish the earth. I mean, even the God of this universe worked and as it says He didn't rest until the 7th day.

Likewise, homosexual relationships putrefy the Holy union of man and woman as God intended. The institution of marriage is under siege and more and more children grow up having no idea what the truth actually is. Hence the trending move toward tolerance of gay marriage. The counterfeit to true morality is social justice.

Finally, the energy crisis is as fake as is global warming. God put enough minerals in the ground to last man until He comes back. That includes lumber to build with and livestock to feed us and anything else one can imagine.

You would have had to have been here, but not long ago, liberals were routinely laughed to scorn by those of the real world. The knowledgeable among us all retired I guess, so now we see the effects of liberalism in cities like Ferguson and Baltimore. We've gone from statesmen like Henry Hyde to Anthony Wieners.
Part of this fundamental transformation includes the lack of tolerance for Christianity. A principal of a high school in Georgia was released from his job for leading a prayer. The faculty member that leads the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at the school was unable to attend the meeting, so the principal substituted. He has been placed on indefinite administrative leave until his contract expires.

Love and tolerance.
I'm not trying to start anything here; I'll make that clear from the start. I also know how controversial the book of Revelation can be, so please don't read anything more into my statement than I have said. Smile please

My husband and I were reading the other night about the plagues of the last days, the seals, etc.

A lot of wise people have been confounded, no denying that. But I was wondering if the malaise and indifferent feelings of Christians could be a part of one or two of the plagues....perhaps metaphorical or perhaps literal.

If nothing else, the general feeling of acceptance and tolerance of ALL things would have to help pave the road for these things.
Granny Bear Wrote:I'm not trying to start anything here; I'll make that clear from the start. I also know how controversial the book of Revelation can be, so please don't read anything more into my statement than I have said. Smile please

My husband and I were reading the other night about the plagues of the last days, the seals, etc.

A lot of wise people have been confounded, no denying that. But I was wondering if the malaise and indifferent feelings of Christians could be a part of one or two of the plagues....perhaps metaphorical or perhaps literal.

If nothing else, the general feeling of acceptance and tolerance of ALL things would have to help pave the road for these things.



Yeah, I see what you mean. But by way of response, let's keep it in Revelation. Revelation 3:16 (KJV)
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Middle of the roaders make the Lord sick to His stomach. Here's what I mean; we here in the United States were at one time proud to plunk down a dollar bill which stated "In God We Trust" on it. We prayed in school and hung the 10 Commandments in our school buildings. Business owners would not have thought about opening on Sunday as one just expected to see Mom, Dad and the kids fall out on Sunday to attend Church. Americans didn't give a second thought to offending someone for stating Christian principles, much less for being a Christian.

Then we became tolerant. Not that we were not tolerant before, but tolerant in moderating our once firm stance, which stated that there is only one true God, and His Son is Christ. It's funny to me that today's Christian looks chidingly back on the ancient Jew for his bent toward worshipping idols and Jehovah. While we ourselves think nothing of keeping our mouth shut while the liberal faction has succeeded in legislating a sort of, god equality philosophy. We here in the grand melting pot seemingly must embrace all gods for fear that some wayward adherent might become offended.

God would that we were hot or cold. Fence straddlers are sickening to the Lord, and He will spit them out, throw them up, or however one might characterize His rejection of people who try to have it both ways. In any event, one would not need to oppose other gods, all he needs is to fully proclaim the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I feel the organized Church is largely culpable to that end. I mean, if one listens to liberals, Christians should only speak in Church, to wit I completely disagree. Past that though, I got a news flash. They don't say much of anything about our sociological charter in the Church either. Why? Because somebody might get mad and leave. Abortion, homosexuality, giving homage to 'other' gods, it's all wrong. At any rate, as I said, we (Christians) began compromising our position back in the 50's and 60's and we've been backing up like a turbo charged crawfish ever since. Likewise, if one party's political platform has a plank that calls for taxpayer funded abortion on demand, that falls contrary to the tenets of the Christian faith and Christians ought to reject said candidate based solely on Christian ethics. We don't have the right to campaign from the pulpit but, why would an adult need to have that point explained to him in the first place?

The Church has become anemic and because of her decades long retreat, to step up at this painful juncture and start laying down the law would seem hypocritical as the words were yet rolling off the tongue for many. God does not change, nor does He compromise. The findings of the SCOTUS not withstanding, God's Word will in no wise return unto Him void. Judgment will fall, and frankly given the recent events, I don't know why anybody would doubt that we are in the throes of judgment as we speak. To that end, I see zero evidence that the arrogance and pride of Washington DC has abated, and I therefore see no reason to hope that God's hand of Judgment will in any way be stayed. Unless we (God's people) repent, things will only get worse.
Apathy could end up killing us.

So, what do you suggest? Leading by example or is that too apathetic?? What's left? Shooting the offenders?

I'm being serious here, too. Even Jesus had his tipping point when he lashed out at the people in the temple who were gambling and looting......hmmmmmm.
Granny Bear Wrote:Apathy could end up killing us.

So, what do you suggest? Leading by example or is that too apathetic?? What's left? Shooting the offenders?

I'm being serious here, too. Even Jesus had his tipping point when he lashed out at the people in the temple who were gambling and looting......hmmmmmm.


Well, first we have to do what everybody from Daniel, to Nehemiah to Ezra did,
pray. 2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV)
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

This is literally end of story. It is the Church who through their abstention in the affairs of this nation and consequently it's direction, apathy as you point out, that this situation has evolved. Now, from my perspective that has to be tempered with the knowledge that as the end nears, there will come a time when during the supernatural lead up to man's end, neither change or mitigation will be possible. But, if there is any hope for America to see her fortunes return to any form of normalcy, it will take a national reawakening of Christianity (revival if you will) to make that happen, and that by the supernatural transforming power of God to soften the hearts of men.

But to your point. It is the job of government to maintain an orderly society for us to live. They have decided a certain level of anarchy is necessary it would seem, and have allowed it for the most part to go down without a viable response. Elections have consequences and the people are getting the kind of services that their elected officials believe they should deliver.
I couldn't agree more....we are reaping what we (as a collective nation) has sown.
Granny Bear Wrote:I couldn't agree more....we are reaping what we (as a collective nation) has sown.



Exactly, we built a nation so great that for the longest time, the countries of the world had no compunction whatever in following our lead. We were an unabashedly Christian nation and we were always proud of that. Thus owing to God's blessing, we have remained free, and the health of our nation has for the most part been a place where any man could sustain the well being of his family.

However rather incredibly, and mainly through the teachings of misguided academia, we have allowed our detractors to both define us and, to call the shots for the most part in this day in time. Those who prefer not to work merely claim the liberal high ground in asserting that they have been left behind by the greedy, when in fact they have been left behind by the motivated. And since there seems to always be an abundance of those kind of folks to go around, the Dems have fallen upon a veritable bonanza to fill the rolls of their voting base. Votes for freebies.

Additionally, there will always be sufficient enemies out there to pose a challenge to our freedom and our national heritage. Thus from among the formidable array of would be destroyers out there, the likes of China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran, burgeoning radical Islam is on the march and if one can believe the news, ISIS just tried and failed to murder several hundred Americans in Texas. Yet we are seeing certain idiot judges citing sharia and other laws of whose origins are based in ideologies of socialist and theocratic heresies of the Caliphate.

Just let me say this by way of politicizing all this. If actions (scandals included, not forgetting the biggie, "if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance") had happened under George W's watch, Dems would have been literally howling at the moon. But, since it's a fellow liberal in the white house, not much will be said. Just as not much will be said about the short falls of another potential Clinton Presidency.