I think one and two could go either way but i made this list off of the all time wins and state titles lists. Highlands was at the top of both. But trinity has jumped up to a different level the past 10 years. i was surprised bardstown was on both lists.
my top 10
1 highlands
2 trinity
3 male
4 st xavier
5 mayfield
6 danville
7 bowling green
8 boyle co
9 beechwood
10 bardstown
honorable mention:
tilghman, cov cath, belfry, ashland pb, owensboro, bell co, central?
good jesus...i need some football season
I only give it to HHS over Trinity and St. X due to the size of the school. X & T being private schools who can recruit with no repercussion cannot compare to a school that is required to play ONLY players who live in their district!
Highlands
Trinity
St. X
Danville
Mayfield
Newport cc
Ashland PB
Belfry
Paducah Tillman
Cov catholic
Russell
Corbin
Pikeville
I'm sure I missed a few and I know that's more than 10. When I think of tradition I think of programs that our grandfathers suited up for. With winning traditio a throughout the years. I know some programs have been really successful over the last twenty five years. I'm going back to traditions that players from the 50s and 60s help build. Maybe I'm showing my age.
I know the programs mentioned were playing great football in the 70s and 80s
Highland by far number 1 in the state. Trinity's run only goes back about 25-30 years highlands has been dominating for a long time. Are they still number 2 in the country in all time wins?
tomcatfan722000 Wrote:Highland by far number 1 in the state. Trinity's run only goes back about 25-30 years highlands has been dominating for a long time. Are they still number 2 in the country in all time wins?
So you think T would be less than No. 2 on the list? Although its a young program theyve flown high.
birdman44 Wrote:So you think T would be less than No. 2 on the list? Although its a young program theyve flown high.
No trinity is definitely number 2. Just stating in my opinion how much farther ahead highlands is. Highlands playing longer,playing in multiple classes,being a public school,not having the advantage of being in Louisville( although NKY is an advantage just not quite as big IMO) and winning titles in multiple classes means basically they've beaten all competition. Also I believe that if the birds and rocks played highlands would have there fair share off success. Add in the enrollment numbers of highlands vs trinity and to me hands down highlands is the class program in the star by far and one of the tops all time in the country.
Trinity has been winning titles longer than you guys think.
Winning titles since the 60's not just last 20-30 years.
Trinity and Highlands both have 22 State Titles.
Trinity has a National Title.
Trinity can accept players willing to pay from any location. Highlands can accept players willing to pay out of district tuition as well, since until very recently they had open enrollment.
Highlands has won titles in multiple smaller classes, Trinity has won most if not all of their titles in the largest class in the state each season.
Both have great tradition, great fans and have set them selves apart from the rest of the state.
But I'm not buying it that HHS is #1 over T, at best HHS is 1B to Trinity's 1A
A few additional Highlands historic facts supporting the program's spot as number 1 in Kentucky:
Highlands is second in the nation in overall wins behind Valdosta Georgia with 842 wins (Number one in Kentucky)
Highlands has played 98 seasons of football of which 88 are winning seasons, 8 are losing seasons, and 2 are even seasons.
Highlands has a winning percentage through 2012 of 78.22%
Highlands has had 57 consecutive winning seasons with the last losing season being 1955.
Highlands has had 13 undefeated seasons, number one in Kentucky.
Highlands claims three mythical state titles (1930, 1943, and 1957) (Personally, I do not put much into mythical titles. The 1930 and 1957 seasons were, however, undefeated seasons (10-0 and 11-0 respectively) prior to the Kentucky state playoffs in 1959. The 1943 season they were 10-1.)
Another interesting fact is that Highlands and Trinity have played twice and each has won one game.
Information from here:
http://www.highlands-bluebirds.com/ssp/history
so i guess its clear to everyone who the top two tradition histories are regardless of what order... who is three? St. X, Male, Mayfield? or someone else?
Male is tied for third in the nation in all time wins at 821 and Mayfield is sixth at 805. St X is not in the top 10 nationally but is 6th in Kentucky with 701. The Kentucky top ten in all time wins are Highlands, Male, Mayfield, Paducah Tilghman, Danville, St X, Owensboro, Somerset, Ashland, and Manual.
I look at some I the games trinity has lost there has been point in time where x,male,and manual have been better programs than trinity. Like frozen bird said you have to go back 60 years to say a program was legitimately better than highlands. Also trinity doesn't even crack the top ten in wins. And that national title is mythical based on an ap poll. I'm sure there was a team in Texas, Florida,Cali,Pennsylvania,Georgia,Alabama better than trinity. Remember that team didn't eve have one 5 star rated rivals player. But Matt Elam is five star and his program isn't even in the discussion. That rocks team was probably the best IN ky history but probably overrated nationally. And I'm not sure they were better than the Brian Brohm years or the Michael Bush years at Male. So the rocks are very good and a great source of pride and recognition for Kentucky football. But remember they were lucky to get by both X and Scott county in the playoffs last year. Highlands wasn't even tested in the playoffs I believe. And look who they beat. Ashland top 5 team in 4A Cov Cath,top 5 team in 4A,lex Cath top 5 team in 4A and who had a QB who has already been offered by Notre Dame and Louisville. And they won every game handily. I think when looking at all these factors it's clear. The birds are the premier program in Kentucky. Who knows maybe in 10 years the rocks pass them. But from the talk I've heard most expect trinity to come back to the pack this year and X has a lot of good things going on. So I expect another power shift IN Louisville 6A but they're will be no power shift in 4A. The birds will roll over everyone.
Don't we do this every year around this time.......???
birdman44 Wrote:so i guess its clear to everyone who the top two tradition histories are regardless of what order... who is three? St. X, Male, Mayfield? or someone else?
I think Danville is in the battle of those three you mentioned. They have a long and storied pedigree as great as well and would argue under the playoff format (1959 forward) have done more than Male.
Danville has 10 Playoff State Championships. Male has 6. Mayfield has 9 I believe.
lunaticfringe Wrote:Highlands
Trinity
St. X
Danville
Mayfield
Newport cc
Ashland PB
Belfry
Paducah Tillman
Cov catholic
Russell
Corbin
Pikeville
I'm sure I missed a few and I know that's more than 10. When I think of tradition I think of programs that our grandfathers suited up for. With winning traditio a throughout the years. I know some programs have been really successful over the last twenty five years. I'm going back to traditions that players from the 50s and 60s help build. Maybe I'm showing my age.
I know the programs mentioned were playing great football in the 70s and 80s
I think you're perspective is a good one to take. It almost seems that you can create a list for pre-'59 (when State playoffs began) and post - '59.
As to the criteria you mention you include Cov Cath but while they were always a powerful team, they did not win their first State Title until 1987.
Boyle County did not win a state title until 1999 but like Cov Cath, fielded strong teams prior. The Rebels were competitive from the mid 90's on. Prior to that they had a strong run from the mid 70's to the early 80's. Boyle also had a playoff appearance in '65 and some strong teams in the mid 60's and a 9-1-1 squad in '69 or so.
Any team you leave off or put on the list has a good chance of making a case of being on or off. :Thumbs:
lunaticfringe Wrote:Highlands
Trinity
St. X
Danville
Mayfield
Newport cc
Ashland PB
Belfry
Paducah Tillman
Cov catholic
Russell
Corbin
Pikeville
I'm sure I missed a few and I know that's more than 10. When I think of tradition I think of programs that our grandfathers suited up for. With winning traditio a throughout the years. I know some programs have been really successful over the last twenty five years. I'm going back to traditions that players from the 50s and 60s help build. Maybe I'm showing my age.
I know the programs mentioned were playing great football in the 70s and 80s
Good list..
A few to consider though:
Beechwood
Bardstown
Ft. Campbell
Bowling Green
Boyle County
Just me throwing one together, but here's my list (broad view):
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. St. X
4. Danville
5. Mayfield
6. Male
7. Beechwood
8. CovCath
9. NewCath
10. Ft. Campbell
11. Belfry
12. Paducah Tilghman
13. Bardstown
14. Bowling Green
15. Corbin
16. Ashland
17. Somerset
18. Pikeville
19. Boyle County (if this were the past 15 years they would be toward the very top)
20. Owensboro Catholic
21. Bell County
22. Manual
23. Harrodsburg/Mercer County
24. Russell
25. Murray
To expound further:
There are a handful of programs that I have always considered to be excellent programs but their championship tallies and their recent success makes it hard for me to put them up there. For a lack of a better word I may be simply am ignorant to their history to make an informed guess:
Hopkinsville
Owensboro
Franklin-Simpson
Hazard
In addition is a program like Paintsville who was very strong for years and had one of the State's All-Time winningest coaches. Yet they have been painfully bad for decades now
It is also fun to think of teams who's successes are more predicated either on their past laurels, or their recent ones. I like to think of this like the terms "old money" and "new money". For example...
New Money: Boyle County, Central, Lexington Catholic
Old Money: Corbin, Ashland, Pikeville, Manual
Then the final category to consider are the programs who simply are gone: Lou. Flaget, Lynch East Main.. both of these were legendary programs but their doors have long since closed
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Good list..
A few to consider though:
Beechwood
Bardstown
Ft. Campbell
Bowling Green
Boyle County
Just me throwing one together, but here's my list (broad view):
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. St. X
4. Danville
5. Mayfield
6. Male
7. Beechwood
8. CovCath
9. NewCath
10. Ft. Campbell
11. Belfry
12. Paducah Tilghman
13. Bardstown
14. Bowling Green
15. Corbin
16. Ashland
17. Somerset
18. Pikeville
19. Boyle County (if this were the past 15 years they would be toward the very top)
20. Owensboro Catholic
21. Bell County
22. Manual
23. Harrodsburg/Mercer County
24. Russell
25. Murray
Not going to ague at all. Love the list. PHS is in there with some great company.
hh: I no this will be a shocker.I think hazard is a histories team in Kentucky football.:Thumbs:
Interesting data on Undefeated Teams listed on KHSAA website. This might be good fodder for longevity discussion:
UNDEFEATED TEAMS - Total Number of Seasons (Includes no ties)
School (Years)
13 Highlands (1930, 57, 60, 61, 64, 68, 70, 82, 96, 98, 2007, 09, 11)
9 Owensboro (1897, 1904, 06, 09, 14, 17, 29, 45, 74)
8 Danville (1926, 27, 30, 32, 54, 84, 92, 94)
Male (1893, 95, 1924, 37, 43, 51, 63, 64)
Paducah Tilghman (1907, 23, 32, 33, 38, 47, 50, 73)
Trinity (Louisville) (1972, 76, 83, 88, 89, 90, 2002, 11)
6 Ashland Blazer (1929, 30, 31, 33, 35, 42)
5 Boyle County (1963, 99, 00, 01,03, 09, 10)
4 DuPont Manual (1936, 38, 48, 59)
Hopkinsville (1940, 43, 65, 66)
Paris (1943, 73, 81, 82)
3 St. Xavier (1969, 1974, 1975)
Hazard (1928, 30, 36)
2 Bowling Green (1995, 2011)
1 Newport (1936)
Hatz Wrote:Interesting data on Undefeated Teams listed on KHSAA website. This might be good fodder for longevity discussion:
UNDEFEATED TEAMS - Total Number of Seasons (Includes no ties)
School (Years)
13 Highlands (1930, 57, 60, 61, 64, 68, 70, 82, 96, 98, 2007, 09, 11)
9 Owensboro (1897, 1904, 06, 09, 14, 17, 29, 45, 74)
8 Danville (1926, 27, 30, 32, 54, 84, 92, 94)
Male (1893, 95, 1924, 37, 43, 51, 63, 64)
Paducah Tilghman (1907, 23, 32, 33, 38, 47, 50, 73)
Trinity (Louisville) (1972, 76, 83, 88, 89, 90, 2002, 11)
6 Ashland Blazer (1929, 30, 31, 33, 35, 42)
5 Boyle County (1963, 99, 00, 01,03, 09, 10)
4 DuPont Manual (1936, 38, 48, 59)
Hopkinsville (1940, 43, 65, 66)
Paris (1943, 73, 81, 82)
3 St. Xavier (1969, 1974, 1975)
Hazard (1928, 30, 36)
2 Bowling Green (1995, 2011)
1 Newport (1936)
Pikeville was undefeated in 1987, 1988. So at least two. Not sure what the MST record was in 1955.
Hatz Wrote:Interesting data on Undefeated Teams listed on KHSAA website. This might be good fodder for longevity discussion:
UNDEFEATED TEAMS - Total Number of Seasons (Includes no ties)
School (Years)
13 Highlands (1930, 57, 60, 61, 64, 68, 70, 82, 96, 98, 2007, 09, 11)
9 Owensboro (1897, 1904, 06, 09, 14, 17, 29, 45, 74)
8 Danville (1926, 27, 30, 32, 54, 84, 92, 94)
Male (1893, 95, 1924, 37, 43, 51, 63, 64)
Paducah Tilghman (1907, 23, 32, 33, 38, 47, 50, 73)
Trinity (Louisville) (1972, 76, 83, 88, 89, 90, 2002, 11)
6 Ashland Blazer (1929, 30, 31, 33, 35, 42)
5 Boyle County (1963, 99, 00, 01,03, 09, 10)
4 DuPont Manual (1936, 38, 48, 59)
Hopkinsville (1940, 43, 65, 66)
Paris (1943, 73, 81, 82)
3 St. Xavier (1969, 1974, 1975)
Hazard (1928, 30, 36)
2 Bowling Green (1995, 2011)
1 Newport (1936)
This also correlates pretty well with the all time wins list.
Breathitt county went undefeated in 95 and 96. Won 42 straight. Went 53-4 from 95 to 98. 24-2 the last 2 seasons. That ain't to shabby either.
They also were undefeated in 02. Have won 3 state championships and were 14-1 and runner up in 09.
Hatz Wrote:Interesting data on Undefeated Teams listed on KHSAA website. This might be good fodder for longevity discussion:
UNDEFEATED TEAMS - Total Number of Seasons (Includes no ties)
School (Years)
13 Highlands (1930, 57, 60, 61, 64, 68, 70, 82, 96, 98, 2007, 09, 11)
9 Owensboro (1897, 1904, 06, 09, 14, 17, 29, 45, 74)
8 Danville (1926, 27, 30, 32, 54, 84, 92, 94)
Male (1893, 95, 1924, 37, 43, 51, 63, 64)
Paducah Tilghman (1907, 23, 32, 33, 38, 47, 50, 73)
Trinity (Louisville) (1972, 76, 83, 88, 89, 90, 2002, 11)
6 Ashland Blazer (1929, 30, 31, 33, 35, 42)
5 Boyle County (1963, 99, 00, 01,03, 09, 10)
4 DuPont Manual (1936, 38, 48, 59)
Hopkinsville (1940, 43, 65, 66
Paris (1943, 73, 81, 82)
3 St. Xavier (1969, 1974, 1975)
Hazard (1928, 30, 36)
2 Bowling Green (1995, 2011)
1 Newport (1936)
Bowling Green was also undefeated in 2012 and currently have the longest winning streak in the state with 30 in a row.
1.Highlands
2.Trinity
3.Boyle County
4.St. X
5.Mayfield
6.Bell Co.
7.Breathitt Co.
8.Beechwood
9.Bowling Green
10.Belfry
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Good list..
A few to consider though:
Beechwood
Bardstown
Ft. Campbell
Bowling Green
Boyle County
Just me throwing one together, but here's my list (broad view):
1. Trinity
2. Highlands
3. St. X
4. Danville
5. Mayfield
6. Male
7. Beechwood
8. CovCath
9. NewCath
10. Ft. Campbell
11. Belfry
12. Paducah Tilghman
13. Bardstown
14. Bowling Green
15. Corbin
16. Ashland
17. Somerset
18. Pikeville
19. Boyle County (if this were the past 15 years they would be toward the very top)
20. Owensboro Catholic
21. Bell County
22. Manual
23. Harrodsburg/Mercer County
24. Russell
25. Murray
Breathitt is easily a top 20 program. Louisville Central is a top 15 program as well. Boyle County is way to low.
Noodler Wrote:They also were undefeated in 02. Have won 3 state championships and were 14-1 and runner up in 09.
They weren't runners-up in 2009. Somerset beat them in the Regional Finals that year.
Cat Daddy Wrote:Breathitt is easily a top 20 program. Louisville Central is a top 15 program as well. Boyle County is way to low.
You are 100% correct if we were talking about current programs in the recent past.
This is about historical programs.
All three you mentioned have been phenomenal programs in recent history, but in the grand landscape can't stack up.