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With the recall vote today on Gov. Walker in Wisconsin, does this tell us anything on a larger scale? or nothing at all? How does today's vote play on the November elections?

nky Wrote:With the recall vote today on Gov. Walker in Wisconsin, does this tell us anything on a larger scale? or nothing at all? How does today's vote play on the November elections?

There are five recall elections in Wisconsin today. All involve offices held by Republicans. If the Republicans lose any of them, the election will be played as a win for Obama.

As for November, Obama will win Wisconsin. The state has too many welfare recipients, college students, and minorities. All three of these groups, very few of whom pay any income taxes whatsoever, are the little fellow's core constituencies.

^ The Truth.

I expect a solid win by Walker (minimum 4 percent margin) tonight and at least 4 of the 5 races overall. I also expect Romney to carry Wisconsin in November. The presidential election is not going to be close and if Romney loses Wisconsin, it will be by a razor thin margin.

I agree that if Democrats win any of the recall elections, the media will play it up as a good night. I hope that the sore losers are not rewarded with any wins.

Usual dishonest stuff from the right.

Quote:Foul play or confusion?

Hundreds of voters have called a hotline to report voter issues at the Scott Walker recall vote in Wisconsin today, according to Election Protection, a D.C.-based voters' rights group.

Some voters said they were asked for photo identification at the voting booth, even though Wisconsin recently struck down a law that would have made it necessary.

Others said they had trouble voting because of a new 28-day residency requirement in the state. Although they had resided in Wisconsin for the mandated time, some clerks told them they could not vote, according to Ann Jacobs, a member of the legal coordinating committee for Election Protection in Wisconsin.

In both cases, Election Protection says it called the clerks directly to fix the problem.

WisPolitics.com also reports that calls have gone out to voters telling them that if they signed the recall, they did not need to vote.

While officials with Election Protection said they weren't able to substantiate the 'do not vote' calls, they did send out an email Tuesday afternoon that read: "Robocalls telling voters who signed the recall petitions or voted in the recall primary that they do not need to vote ... could not be further from the truth. If you've received this type of call, disregard it, call Election Protection and head to the polls."

Jacobs also says the group caught a poll observer surreptitiously videotaping at the polls. State laws differ on polling place videography, but taking photos or video of people voting is generally discouraged.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washing...ter-issues

I wonder how the union thugs who have swooped into Wisconsin plan to steal the elections? Early reports are that turnout may exceed 100 percent in some liberal strongholds. But RV thinks that it's outrageous that people have been asked to identify themselves in some precincts. It is sad to witness the depths to which liberals will delve to win an election.

Under Obama, the DOJ has gone from an organization that works to prevent voter fraud to one that facilitates it.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:I wonder how the union thugs who have swooped into Wisconsin plan to steal the elections? Early reports are that turnout may exceed 100 percent in some liberal strongholds. But RV thinks that it's outrageous that people have been asked to identify themselves in some precincts. It is sad to witness the depths to which liberals will delve to win an election.

Under Obama, the DOJ has gone from an organization that works to prevent voter fraud to one that facilitates it.

It's odd that you take up for photo identification of voters, when it is against WI law. Along with lying phone calls.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:I expect a solid win by Walker (minimum 4 percent margin) tonight and at least 4 of the 5 races overall. I also expect Romney to carry Wisconsin in November. The presidential election is not going to be close and if Romney loses Wisconsin, it will be by a razor thin margin.

I agree that if Democrats win any of the recall elections, the media will play it up as a good night. I hope that the sore losers are not rewarded with any wins.

Quote:MILWAUKEE (AP) — Talk about a sharply divided electorate.
Tuesday's election to recall Gov. Scott Walker is too close to call, as voters split about evenly between the governor and his Democratic challenger, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, according to early exit poll results in the state. Voters were passionately divided on the Republican-backed law that ended collective bargaining for most public employees and teachers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...7afdeefb45

TheRealVille Wrote:It's odd that you take up for photo identification of voters, when it is against WI law. Along with lying phone calls.

Nobody is interested in your pro-union, anti-democratic propaganda. There is only one reason people like you object to requiring photo ids at polls and that is because it makes voter fraud easy.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Nobody is interested in your pro-union, anti-democratic propaganda. There is only one reason people like you object to requiring photo ids at polls and that is because it makes voter fraud easy.

As to your signature. It claims Obama's stimulus started in Feb. 09. That was Bush's budget that ran from Oct 08 to Oct 09.

TheRealVille Wrote:As to your signature. It claims Obama's stimulus started in Feb. 09. That was Bush's budget that ran from Oct 08 to Oct 09.

The stimulus spending was done in 2009. You can lie about who was responsible for it if you want but the history is pretty clear. Obama spent nearly $800 billion on those "shovel ready jobs" in 2009. You know it, I know it, and so does everybody else with half a brain.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:The stimulus spending was done in 2009. You can lie about who was responsible for it if you want but the history is pretty clear. Obama spent nearly $800 billion on those "shovel ready jobs" in 2009. You know it, I know it, and so does everybody else with half a brain.

Yea the spending was done in 09, approved in Bush's budget from oct 08 to oct 09.

TheRealVille Wrote:Yea the spending was done in 09, approved in Bush's budget from oct 08 to oct 09.

The stimulus was all Obama's. It was in all the papers. :eyeroll:

TheRealVille Wrote:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...7afdeefb45

Walker wins easily. Looks like my prediction of a 4 percent margin will probably turn out to be extremely conservative. Maybe the big union bosses can get a recount of the exit poll numbers. :lmao:

TheRealVille Wrote:Usual dishonest stuff from the right.





http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washing...ter-issues

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Others said they had trouble voting because of a new 28-day residency requirement in the state. Although they had resided in Wisconsin for the mandated time, some clerks told them they could not vote, according to Ann Jacobs, a member of the legal coordinating committee for Election Protection in Wisconsin

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:thatsfunn This is hysterical! How many people would you suppose moved to Wisconsin just so they could vote against Scott Walker? Wait till November, the dems will be swept out of office ala 2010. Despite all the cheating and lying Walker stays, I love it. All those millions of union dollars up in smoke, I can't think of a dumber waste of dues, hard to believe.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:The stimulus was all Obama's. It was in all the papers. :eyeroll:

Does the budget run from Oct of 08 to Oct of 09 or not? Was Obama running on Bush's budget?

TheRealThing Wrote:START QUOTE

Others said they had trouble voting because of a new 28-day residency requirement in the state. Although they had resided in Wisconsin for the mandated time, some clerks told them they could not vote, according to Ann Jacobs, a member of the legal coordinating committee for Election Protection in Wisconsin

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:thatsfunn This is hysterical! How many people would you suppose moved to Wisconsin just so they could vote against Scott Walker? Wait till November, the dems will be swept out of office ala 2010. Despite all the cheating and lying Walker stays, I love it. All those millions of union dollars up in smoke, I can't think of a dumber waste of dues, hard to believe.

Yea, it looks like the huge difference in money spent on behalf of Walker is paying tons of one month rent. That, and all the cheating they did in the election paid off. I'm surprised you and Hoot weren't roomies for a month up there.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Nobody is interested in your pro-union, anti-democratic propaganda. There is only one reason people like you object to requiring photo ids at polls and that is because it makes voter fraud easy.

It really doesn't surprise me at all, that you condone breaking the law to help a fellow conservative any way possible.

TheRealVille Wrote:Does the budget run from Oct of 08 to Oct of 09 or not? Was Obama running on Bush's budget?

The 2009 budget and the level of spending done under Obama are not the same thing. Bush signed a budget. Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law in Feb. 2009, which provided for an additional $787 billion in spending above and beyond the Bush budget. Trying to blame Bush for that spending is dishonest, so I am not surprised to see you do it.

TheRealVille Wrote:It really doesn't surprise me at all, that you condone breaking the law to help a fellow conservative any way possible.

I never said that I condone breaking the law. Another of your many lies. I oppose voter fraud by all legal means and I respect the result of honest elections. Do you?

Union bosses cost their dues paying members and Wisconsin taxpayers millions on this election and Walker still won by a larger margin than before. Last night was a big time smack down for the sore loser thugs who have no respect for honest elections and fiscally responsible government. That is what this election told us. If Romney wins Wisconsin in November, Obama and his socialist supporters will not be partying on election night.

TheRealVille Wrote:Yea, it looks like the huge difference in money spent on behalf of Walker is paying tons of one month rent. That, and all the cheating they did in the election paid off. I'm surprised you and Hoot weren't roomies for a month up there.

:biglmao: The old Pee Wee Herman, "I know you are but what am I ploy." I agree, it's the most effective campaign tactic in the liberal arsenal but, it only works on other liberals.

Here's the truth of it. The residents of Wisconsin voted Scott Walker in as Governor, he was their choice. When he proved to be man enough to actually lead, making some not so hard cuts in spending, the Wisconsin 'state of health' pinked right up. The spawn of the unholy partnership between organized labor and the dems was a plan to make Wisconsin their "make or break" battle ground. They spent MILLIONS of dollars in hard earned union dues, to do their part in the 'fundamental transformation' of the USA, ala their and your hard left hero, Obama. The aggregate of which, was to get the tar beat out of them yet again, because in their blind contempt, they can't get it through their thick skulls that the PEOPLE spoke in 2010 and the PEOPLE spoke again in 2012.

Unions spent a boat load of money during the protests held in the Wisconsin State House, financing the fake protests most of which was spent on out of state mercenaries. They got a lot of public scrutiny as a result of those bussed in union protestors which, has now back fired on them and the big union bosses. Public opinion now finds the union/democrat backed shenanigans of Wisconsin to be offensive. Unions are trying to use money to buy favor from their adopted political party of choice, the democrats. Buying power from public officials in exchange for votes. It's dishonest and underhanded. Bargaining for wages and conditions has become passe, now unions just use money to influence lawmakers for unmerited favor. My opinion, they need to stick to worrying about how to do their jobs, keep their training up, and espouse honesty and integrity in their business dealings and leave all the political back room deals to folks like Obama and Harry Reid.

America's state of affairs has eroded, I will be among the first to admit. But, things haven't gotten so bad that the tinhorns like Richard Trumpka and those who welcome the automatic democratic votes he brings to the table at the White House, can dictate terms to the American voting public. BTW, Jackson and Sharpton were right in the middle of the Wisconsin protests as well, that alone qualifies the whole thing as another bogus attempt to influence public opinion.

The right vs. left stuff confuses me. So I will ask my own questions to get a more Centered understanding:

1. Is it against Wisconsin law to require photo identification?
2. Who signed/pushed for the 2009 Stimulus? Was it Obama that signed it and approved it or whatever or was it something G.W.Bush did that didn't take effect until 2009? Essentially, who is responsible for the 2009 stimulus?
3. Who won the recall?

LWC Wrote:The right vs. left stuff confuses me. So I will ask my own questions to get a more Centered understanding:

1. Is it against Wisconsin law to require photo identification?
2. Who signed/pushed for the 2009 Stimulus? Was it Obama that signed it and approved it or whatever or was it something G.W.Bush did that didn't take effect until 2009? Essentially, who is responsible for the 2009 stimulus?
3. Who won the recall?

1. Wisconsin required a photo id until a judge just recently put an injunction on the law requiring one.
2. President Obama pushed the democratically controlled 111th Congress to pass American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
Introduced in the House as H.R. 1 by Dave Obey (D-WI) on January 26, 2009 -
Passed the House on January 28, 2009 (244—188)
Passed the Senate on February 10, 2009 (61–37)
Reported by the joint conference committee on February 12, 2009; agreed to by the House on February 13, 2009 (246—183) and by the Senate on February 13, 2009 (60—38)
Signed into law by President Barack Obama on February 17, 2009
President Bush HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STIMULAS

3. Governor Walker won the recall by 7%

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

This website was created under the Recovery Act to show the American public how Recovery funds are being spent by recipients of contracts, grants, and loans, and the distributio​n of Recovery entitlements and tax benefits.

LWC Wrote:The right vs. left stuff confuses me. So I will ask my own questions to get a more Centered understanding:

1. Is it against Wisconsin law to require photo identification?
2. Who signed/pushed for the 2009 Stimulus? Was it Obama that signed it and approved it or whatever or was it something G.W.Bush did that didn't take effect until 2009? Essentially, who is responsible for the 2009 stimulus?
3. Who won the recall?

Okay, your first question is a little complicated to me.
Last year, Scott Walker signed a law into effect that photo id needed to be shown before voting. The NAACP, League of Women's Voters and several other organized protestors filed a law suit against this law. In March 2012, a Dane County judge issued a temporary injunction against that law. His injunction stated that "Wisconsin voters will not need to show ID to vote in the April 3rd primary." The state has appealed this ruling, and in the meantime you have the recall vote. Lots of ambiguity!!

Obama is responsible for the 2009 stimulus.....

Scott Walker won the recall....the incumbent.


Now, allow me to qualify this..these are MY opinions and MY interpretation of the facts.

Sure there'll be some opposition.

Sorry guys.
nky posted while I was typing. Had I seen this first, I wouldn't have posted.
His explanation and links are much clearer and more to the point that mine.

nky Wrote:1. Wisconsin required a photo id until a judge just recently put an injunction on the law requiring one.
2. President Obama pushed the democratically controlled 111th Congress to pass American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
Introduced in the House as H.R. 1 by Dave Obey (D-WI) on January 26, 2009 -
Passed the House on January 28, 2009 (244—188)
Passed the Senate on February 10, 2009 (61–37)
Reported by the joint conference committee on February 12, 2009; agreed to by the House on February 13, 2009 (246—183) and by the Senate on February 13, 2009 (60—38)
Signed into law by President Barack Obama on February 17, 2009
President Bush HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STIMULAS

3. Governor Walker won the recall by 7%

:lmao:

nky Wrote:1. Wisconsin required a photo id until a judge just recently put an injunction on the law requiring one.
2. President Obama pushed the democratically controlled 111th Congress to pass American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
Introduced in the House as H.R. 1 by Dave Obey (D-WI) on January 26, 2009 -
Passed the House on January 28, 2009 (244—188)
Passed the Senate on February 10, 2009 (61–37)
Reported by the joint conference committee on February 12, 2009; agreed to by the House on February 13, 2009 (246—183) and by the Senate on February 13, 2009 (60—38)
Signed into law by President Barack Obama on February 17, 2009
President Bush HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STIMULAS

3. Governor Walker won the recall by 7%

Excellent explanation, but RV is not interested in the facts. Blaming Bush for the ARRA, which Obama requested and then signed into law, is part of Democrats' strategy of fooling his idiotic supporters again. RV will just keep repeating Obama talking points until you get tired of correcting the record.

Hoot Gibson Wrote:Excellent explanation, but RV is not interested in the facts. Blaming Bush for the ARRA, which Obama requested and then signed into law, is part of Democrats' strategy of fooling his idiotic supporters again. RV will just keep repeating Obama talking points until you get tired of correcting the record.

What about the Bush stimulus? The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, then the TARP at the end of 2008? Remember now Hoot, it's online and easy to find.