Quote:This was a really bad month for Fox News which lost viewers in the demo for every primetime show. Bill OâReilly dropped 9%, Sean Hannity dropped 6%, and Greta Van Susteren dropped 12%. These declines occurred while almost every primetime program for both CNN and MSNBC gained by double digits. The only good news for Fox is that Glenn Beck, which sunk 17% in the demo, has already been canceled so he canât do too much more harm.
An interesting wrinkle in this book is that MSNBC was also the number one cable news network among 18-34 year-olds in primetime, with a 7% advantage over CNN and a 14% lead over Fox News. That is not a demo that gets much attention from an advertising point of view, but it signals an opportunity for future growth that the network can exploit. It also affirms the weakness of Fox among young viewers. That explains why Beck is so openly hostile to young people.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=4564
No wonder. Fair and Balanced my ass...
I'm conservative, but they cross the line in favor of Republicans WAY to often. CNN is by far the most fair and balanced out there..
vundy33 Wrote:No wonder. Fair and Balanced my ass...
I'm conservative, but they cross the line in favor of Republicans WAY to often. CNN is by far the most fair and balanced out there..
:Thumbs:
Yet Fox was still the dominate number 1
nky Wrote:Yet Fox was still the dominate number 1
No they don't. The numbers tell it all. They might be # 1 in your eye, but not in the real world. Care to show where your figures come from? I concede that they
might be #1 in the "65 to dead class".
nky Wrote:Yet Fox was still the dominate number 1
I would like to see the link. I've looked and can't find it.
If I'm needing good sound advice from well educated individuals...I will take the "65 to dead class" over the "18-34 year-olds" ANY day of the week. Younger adults tend to turn away from reality and toward fantasy dog squeeze...An easy draw for MSNBC, liberals and Obama.
This is what you get for not reading "articles" from far left wing websites like news
corpse.com. (The name provides a huge hint that News Corp. and FNC will not get covered fairly).
Fox News remains the elephant in the middle of the cable news ratings game. Here is the link:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/ratings.
After reading the ratings for the 25 to 54 demo, reread the article that you posted and pay careful attention to how badly you were deceived. It is ironic that critics of Fox stoop to such dishonest reporting themselves.
The delivery of my laser has been delayed a few days, so I guess I will put off my sabbatical from BGR until next week. I just could not let this post pass without comment. :biggrin:
^Real Ville, You might try the Nielsen Ratings. I spent the time to check the daily ratings for the merry, merry month of May. FNC TOTALLY WAXED their closest competitor which was MSNBC every single day. Example, May 26
p2+ FNC total daily was 1110, MSNBC was 489. Primetime programing, FNC was 2,323 compared to MSNBC's 986. FNC really has no competition according to the ink I read. web address- tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com
For the past year, according to Nielsen, FNC grew among adults aged 25-54 by 13% overall. That's young in my book but, like the book written by Darrell Huff entitled "How to lie with statistics" indicates. One can sort of pick and choose facts to support any argument. Sort of like the Obama Health Care Bill and the liberal view of creative accounting outlining how we're going to pay for it has demonstrated.
Hoot Gibson Wrote:This is what you get for not reading "articles" from far left wing websites like newscorpse.com. (The name provides a huge hint that News Corp. and FNC will not get covered fairly).
Fox News remains the elephant in the middle of the cable news ratings game. Here is the link: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/ratings.
After reading the ratings for the 25 to 54 demo, reread the article that you posted and pay careful attention to how badly you were deceived. It is ironic that critics of Fox stoop to such dishonest reporting themselves.
The delivery of my laser has been delayed a few days, so I guess I will put off my sabbatical from BGR until next week. I just could not let this post pass without comment. :biggrin:
Yea, your article solves it all. :lmao: Show where the stats lie.
Quote: O’Reilly dropped 9%, Sean Hannity dropped 6%, and Greta Van Susteren dropped 12%. These declines occurred while almost every primetime program for both CNN and MSNBC gained by double digits. The only good news for Fox is that Glenn Beck, which sunk 17% in the demo, has already been canceled so he can’t do too much more harm.
TheRealVille Wrote:Yea, your article solves it all. :lmao:
The article that you posted contained a link to mediabistro. The difference is that newscorpse.com wrote the article to emphasize the increase in CNN's small audience and the decrease in FNC's audience over a short time span. The article implied that CNN and MSNBC had hammered FNC in the ratings, which never happened.
However, you could not wait to announce that "Fox News Gets Stomped," which if you carefully read the websites linked in the article to which you linked, you now know is not true. FNC is #1 by a wide margin, even among the coveted 25-54 age group.
If you still cannot see how badly you were suckered by the Fox-hating newscorpse.com, try getting a good night's sleep and reading the article to which you linked for a third time tomorrow morning, or as many times as it takes to see through the liberal propaganda.
Fox News The More You Watch The Less You Know
vector Wrote:Fox News The More You Watch The Less You Know
Just curious and I want to put your theory to the test - do you have an Obama bumper sticker on your car?
vector Wrote:No DO YOU
If I did, I would be too ashamed to admit it.
if i was a betting man i would say you are drawing a goverment or union check
vector Wrote:if i was a betting man i would say you are drawing a goverment or union check
If you were a betting man, you would be going broke.
Quote:This was a really bad month for Fox News which lost viewers in the demo for every primetime show. Bill OâReilly dropped 9%, Sean Hannity dropped 6%, and Greta Van Susteren dropped 12%. These declines occurred while almost every primetime program for both CNN and MSNBC gained by double digits. The only good news for Fox is that Glenn Beck, which sunk 17% in the demo, has already been canceled so he canât do too much more harm.
An interesting wrinkle in this book is that MSNBC was also the number one cable news network among 18-34 year-olds in primetime, with a 7% advantage over CNN and a 14% lead over Fox News. That is not a demo that gets much attention from an advertising point of view, but it signals an opportunity for future growth that the network can exploit. It also affirms the weakness of Fox among young viewers. That explains why Beck is so openly hostile to young people.
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TheRealVille Wrote:........
As most people mature, the begin to realize that liberal policies, such as those implemented by the Community Organizer, do not work and they grow more conservative. As people grow more conservative, most reach a point where they are not gullible enough to watch MSNBC or CNN for an extended time. Your thread title is false and the links that have been provided to you demonstrate that fact.
If college-aged kids did not mature once they entered the job market, then we would be living in a single-party socialist country already. It would be interesting to see how much Obama's approval rating has dropped among those who graduated from college in 2008. They cannot be happy about their meager job prospects.
All this is but another example of the left wanting to see conservatives get what's coming to them so badly they are vunerable to suggestion in the extreme. Liberals want to see folks on the right get proven to be a bunch of rudderless morons whose time is past. That's why, to them, there is room for debate even in the face of irrefutable proof. The whole liberal movement appeals mostly to the very young and the liberal acedamic community. As mentioned above the young grow up and change. The reason most educators never leave liberal la-la land is because they don't have to go out into the world and scratch out a living with their hands or prove themselves in the job market. In their arena of endeavor, where debate is the proving ground for the right to lead. And, the dubious art of bloviation is the standard of excellence to gain one's niche on the ladder of success, everything really is relative. Sadly, this terminal relativity is also becoming more and more the norm in the chambers of both houses, and our court system.
This is exactly what brought down Rather, Schultz, and a host of others. Still I am mystified by the power the movement sustains. Our own national record proves the conservative rationale to be the foundation of our country's very existence. Yet the left continues to cast itself against the very bulwark that has stood the test of time. The Kentucky state motto is "United We Stand, Divided We Fall". But, before that the Lord said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:" I contend there is profound wisdom in those words.
vector Wrote:if i was a betting man i would say you are drawing a goverment or union check
lol, you're crazy, Hoot has one of the best jobs of anyone I know. I know I'd kill to have it.
Anyway, does anyone really think that Fox News is fair, and better than CNN? Like I said, I'm a Republican, and even I can't stand how biased they are. I just can't stand all the negativity towards the President..and also, when there's breaking news, CNN almost always has it up and on first and more exclusives.
I just think they're the most fair and have the best info out of the big 3. MSNBC is just a joke.
vundy33 Wrote:lol, you're crazy, Hoot has one of the best jobs of anyone I know. I know I'd kill to have it.
Anyway, does anyone really think that Fox News is fair, and better than CNN? Like I said, I'm a Republican, and even I can't stand how biased they are. I just can't stand all the negativity towards the President..and also, when there's breaking news, CNN almost always has it up and on first and more exclusives.
I just think they're the most fair and have the best info out of the big 3. MSNBC is just a joke.
Better than CNN? Definitely. Biased? Sure, every media outlet is biased in some direction or another but I don't see FNC any more biased than CNN and it is definitely far less biased than MSNBC.
I wish that Fox News and the other cable news networks spent less time commenting on the news and more time reporting it - but the truth is that less commentary would just mean repeating the same news more often. When there is a major news event, Fox does the best job covering it because they are profitable and have more funds available for coverage. CNN also does a good job covering major news stories as they develop, IMO. MSNBC has too few viewers to pay for many real "boots on the ground" and it is little more than a propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.
My biggest problem with Fox News is not its commentary but with the fact it employs potential presidential candidates like Palin and Huckabee. I prefer that people who want my vote and plan on running for higher office spend time working a real job instead of soaking up the free publicity that celebrity status affords them.
I despise Huckabee and like Palin but I would have a hard time voting for either one because they remain on Fox's payroll even as they seriously consider running in 2012. They need to either retire from politics or get real jobs.
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Hoot Gibson Wrote:Better than CNN? Definitely. Biased? Sure, every media outlet is biased in some direction or another but I don't see FNC any more biased than CNN and it is definitely far less biased than MSNBC.
I wish that Fox News and the other cable news networks spent less time commenting on the news and more time reporting it - but the truth is that less commentary would just mean repeating the same news more often. When there is a major news event, Fox does the best job covering it because they are profitable and have more funds available for coverage. CNN also does a good job covering major news stories as they develop, IMO. MSNBC has too few viewers to pay for many real "boots on the ground" and it is little more than a propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.
My biggest problem with Fox News is not its commentary but with the fact it employs potential presidential candidates like Palin and Huckabee. I prefer that people who want my vote and plan on running for higher office spend time working a real job instead of soaking up the free publicity that celebrity status affords them.
I despise Huckabee and like Palin but I would have a hard time voting for either one because they remain on Fox's payroll even as they seriously consider running in 2012. They need to either retire from politics or get real jobs.
99 percent of the time I'm in agreement with you Hoot. I don't despise Huckabee and although I'm not sure I'm ready for a female president, I like Palin's heart and direction. Just as I wouldn't care if a viable candidate for president pumped septic tanks till the day he took office, it doesn't bother me that Huck and Palin are doing what they do. They both seem passionate about what they are doing and neither seem to be bothered by hard work...Their schedules must be grueling.
SKINNYPIG Wrote:99 percent of the time I'm in agreement with you Hoot. I don't despise Huckabee and although I'm not sure I'm ready for a female president, I like Palin's heart and direction. Just as I wouldn't care if a viable candidate for president pumped septic tanks till the day he took office, it doesn't bother me that Huck and Palin are doing what they do. They both seem passionate about what they are doing and neither seem to be bothered by hard work...Their schedule must be grueling.
...and I agree with you 99 percent of the time as well. Hiring likely presidential candidates over more qualified hosts calls Fox's objectivity into question and if either Huckabee or Palin are elected, suspicions about Fox's coverage of them would become a constant issue.
I despise Huckabee as a presidential candidate but I actually think that he does a pretty good job as a talk show host. I just hope that he decides to stick with his current career instead of hitting the campaign trail again. Dishonest talk show hosts don't bother me nearly as much as dishonest presidents.
I like Palin but I think that her association with Fox was a mistake if she truly plans on running in 2012, as was her decision to resign as governor. The Republicans have better candidates but Palin's name recognition and "brand" management would make her a formidable primary candidate.
However, I tend to agree with Neal Boortz when he says that nominating Palin may be Obama's best chance to win reelection. For whatever reason, the mainstream media demonizes Palin and almost totally ignores the many monumental gaffes by our current president.
No 2012 candidate will be less qualified or capable of being president than Barack Obama but thanks to our ridiculously poor government schools, he might win reelection.
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Better than CNN? Definitely. Biased? Sure, every media outlet is biased in some direction or another but I don't see FNC any more biased than CNN and it is definitely far less biased than MSNBC.
I wish that Fox News and the other cable news networks spent less time commenting on the news and more time reporting it - but the truth is that less commentary would just mean repeating the same news more often. When there is a major news event, Fox does the best job covering it because they are profitable and have more funds available for coverage. CNN also does a good job covering major news stories as they develop, IMO. MSNBC has too few viewers to pay for many real "boots on the ground" and it is little more than a propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.
My biggest problem with Fox News is not its commentary but with the fact it employs potential presidential candidates like Palin and Huckabee. I prefer that people who want my vote and plan on running for higher office spend time working a real job instead of soaking up the free publicity that celebrity status affords them.
I despise Huckabee and like Palin but I would have a hard time voting for either one because they remain on Fox's payroll even as they seriously consider running in 2012. They need to either retire from politics or get real jobs.
Exactly!!! I agree 100%!
Looking at the numbers then converting them to percentages can lead to some deception. When one group has sky high numbers (Fox) it's harder to keep moving upwards. The closer to 100% the harder it is to reach. When another group has low numbers(MSNBC,CNN) So they will have a larger % gain simply because they have more room to 100%.
If I had two viewers on my daily web cast last year in May, then had 4 views this past May I just had a 100% increase. Sounds great but I still only have 4 views
Hoot Gibson Wrote:...and I agree with you 99 percent of the time as well. Hiring likely presidential candidates over more qualified hosts calls Fox's objectivity into question and if either Huckabee or Palin are elected, suspicions about Fox's coverage of them would become a constant issue.
I despise Huckabee as a presidential candidate but I actually think that he does a pretty good job as a talk show host. I just hope that he decides to stick with his current career instead of hitting the campaign trail again. Dishonest talk show hosts don't bother me nearly as much as dishonest presidents.
I like Palin but I think that her association with Fox was a mistake if she truly plans on running in 2012, as was her decision to resign as governor. The Republicans have better candidates but Palin's name recognition and "brand" management would make her a formidable primary candidate.
However, I tend to agree with Neal Boortz when he says that nominating Palin may be Obama's best chance to win reelection. For whatever reason, the mainstream media demonizes Palin and almost totally ignores the many monumental gaffes by our current president.
No 2012 candidate will be less qualified or capable of being president than Barack Obama but thanks to our ridiculously poor government schools, he might win reelection.
I question the "objectivity of ALL news outlets...Without Fox's objective wouldn't the brainwashing be severely skewed?
I'm starting to like Herman Cain. Even though his knowledge of foreign policy may be in question, I'm willing to bet his decision making skills are as good as any. IMO answering foreign policy questions from the hip are not as important as answering questions that reveal character at this point. Every POTUS has a large team of experts that gives him information to make decisions on everything and I believe any republican in the mix can make better decisions than Barry.
SKINNYPIG Wrote:I question the "objectivity of ALL news outlets...Without Fox's objective wouldn't the brainwashing be severely skewed?
I think that Fox's reporting is as objective as anybody's is. If anything, having Shepard Smith as an anchor skews its reporting to the left. Chris Wallace is as objective as anybody in his profession, IMO.
But, like I said above, I wish cable news channels would expand their reporting and provide less commentary on the news. That takes money and as a whole, Americans are not all that interested in news so shows hosted by O'Reilly, Beck, and Hannity are necessary to fund the real news coverage. Still, I get tired of all the repetition of a small number of major stories. If Americans were not so willfully ignorant, more news would be reported. Ignorance is a vicious cycle.
SKINNYPIG Wrote:I'm starting to like Herman Cain. Even though his knowledge of foreign policy may be in question, I'm willing to bet his decision making skills are as good as any. IMO answering foreign policy questions from the hip are not as important as answering questions that reveal character at this point. Every POTUS has a large team of experts that gives him information to make decisions on everything and I believe any republican in the mix can make better decisions than Barry.
I agree with you about Herman Cain. He answers tough questions honestly and I respect people who do so, even if I don't agree with their answers. In Cain's case, I agree with him on pretty much every issue.
I have enjoyed listening to Herman Cain guest host Neal Boortz's radio show many times over the years. I read Boortz's
Nealz News almost every day during my commute home. Boortz is a guy who is going to tell you what he thinks whether you like it or not, which is probably why Herman has been his most frequent guest host.
A recent poll shows that in their home state,
Georgians prefer Cain over Gingrich by a 2-to-1 margin. So much for the racist South...
I actually find it sad that anyone even watches any of those channels.