[vector#1]

Should Mike Pence run as a Independent ?
Boy I hope so

[jetpilot]

Should Mike Pence run as a Independent ?
Boy I hope so

You better hope they stop counting votes in swing states again if Harris is running.

[Hoot Gibson]

^Pedo Joe Biden is more popular than Harris and I am not sure that a good doctor could find Biden's pulse. I think that drugs that keep Biden semi-coherent part of the time have displaced his red blood cells.

Pence is not a viable candidate, IMO. Trump and the GOP put Pence in a no-win situation on 6 January and I think it is time for him to retire from politics. Had state legislatures done their jobs, Trump would be president and Pence would be awaiting his turn in the White House.

[vector#1]

"Employees have no right to engage in political protest while on the company clock. None."

[Hoot Gibson]

"Employees have no right to engage in political protest while on the company clock. None."

This is an inappropriate post, vector#1, so I have reported it. Not that it is any of your business whatsoever, but the post was made during my lunch break. You have no business commenting on my work with a post such as this one. None.

[TheRealThing]

^Pedo Joe Biden is more popular than Harris and I am not sure that a good doctor could find Biden's pulse. I think that drugs that keep Biden semi-coherent part of the time have displaced his red blood cells.

Pence is not a viable candidate, IMO. Trump and the GOP put Pence in a no-win situation on 6 January and I think it is time for him to retire from politics. Had state legislatures done their jobs, Trump would be president and Pence would be awaiting his turn in the White House.

When a showdown is coming, the worst thing one can do is back down from it for reluctance sake. And that is what I believe Pence did. The time to throw the gauntlet is before your neighbor builds his fence on your property, not after. Pence may have dodged a confrontation, but he did not put any part of the controversy to rest. At this point if there is any right on the side of the GOP, it will take far more to rectify than it would have if he'd pressed the point. FAR MORE

In retrospect he bought the media's ashen faced reports of Jan 6 and acted accordingly. What I saw were the same media earlier reporting the protests put on by Antifa et-al as being mostly peaceful. And that as public and private property belonging to the people, burned in the background. The opposite is true for the events of Jan 6th, as rally goers and protesters were crawling on Capital walls, the media were casting the scene as if an invasion force from the north had overrun the entirety of DC. Those actions were not to be excused, but reports of a coup attempt were/are a stretch. 

Both are examples of the media politicizing and putting their own narrative to events which only a few years ago, would have been allowed to speak for themselves. The events of 911 come to mind. And yet as Hoot has said, MR Pence' career is just as over as if he had challenged the validity of any of the electors and been wrong about it: as detailed under his clearly enumerated authority of section 15 of the Elector Vote Counting process before the joint session, and as spelled out in the US Constitution.

[vector#1]

^Pedo Joe Biden is more popular than Harris and I am not sure that a good doctor could find Biden's pulse. I think that drugs that keep Biden semi-coherent part of the time have displaced his red blood cells.

Pence is not a viable candidate, IMO. Trump and the GOP put Pence in a no-win situation on 6 January and I think it is time for him to retire from politics. Had state legislatures done their jobs, Trump would be president and Pence would be awaiting his turn in the White House.

When a showdown is coming, the worst thing one can do is back down from it for reluctance sake. And that is what I believe Pence did. The time to throw the gauntlet is before your neighbor builds his fence on your property, not after. Pence may have dodged a confrontation, but he did not put any part of the controversy to rest. At this point if there is any right on the side of the GOP, it will take far more to rectify than it would have if he'd pressed the point. FAR MORE

In retrospect he bought the media's ashen faced reports of Jan 6 and acted accordingly. What I saw were the same media earlier reporting the protests put on by Antifa et-al as being mostly peaceful. And that as public and private property belonging to the people, burned in the background. The opposite is true for the events of Jan 6th, as rally goers and protesters were crawling on Capital walls, the media were casting the scene as if an invasion force from the north had overrun the entirety of DC. Those actions were not to be excused, but reports of a coup attempt were/are a stretch. 

Both are examples of the media politicizing and putting their own narrative to events which only a few years ago, would have been allowed to speak for themselves. The events of 911 come to mind. And yet as Hoot has said, MR Pence' career is just as over as if he had challenged the validity of any of the electors and been wrong about it: as detailed under his clearly enumerated authority of section 15 of the Elector Vote Counting process before the joint session, and as spelled out in the US Constitution.

TRT I agree his career is over really didn't have much to start with but man he can stick it to Trump if he decides to run as a independent and you couldn't blame him. What would Trump do if he was in Pence's shoes I believe we all know the answer to that.

[Hoot Gibson]

^Pedo Joe Biden is more popular than Harris and I am not sure that a good doctor could find Biden's pulse. I think that drugs that keep Biden semi-coherent part of the time have displaced his red blood cells.

Pence is not a viable candidate, IMO. Trump and the GOP put Pence in a no-win situation on 6 January and I think it is time for him to retire from politics. Had state legislatures done their jobs, Trump would be president and Pence would be awaiting his turn in the White House.

When a showdown is coming, the worst thing one can do is back down from it for reluctance sake. And that is what I believe Pence did. The time to throw the gauntlet is before your neighbor builds his fence on your property, not after. Pence may have dodged a confrontation, but he did not put any part of the controversy to rest. At this point if there is any right on the side of the GOP, it will take far more to rectify than it would have if he'd pressed the point. FAR MORE

In retrospect he bought the media's ashen faced reports of Jan 6 and acted accordingly. What I saw were the same media earlier reporting the protests put on by Antifa et-al as being mostly peaceful. And that as public and private property belonging to the people, burned in the background. The opposite is true for the events of Jan 6th, as rally goers and protesters were crawling on Capital walls, the media were casting the scene as if an invasion force from the north had overrun the entirety of DC. Those actions were not to be excused, but reports of a coup attempt were/are a stretch. 

Both are examples of the media politicizing and putting their own narrative to events which only a few years ago, would have been allowed to speak for themselves. The events of 911 come to mind. And yet as Hoot has said, MR Pence' career is just as over as if he had challenged the validity of any of the electors and been wrong about it: as detailed under his clearly enumerated authority of section 15 of the Elector Vote Counting process before the joint session, and as spelled out in the US Constitution.

I disagree. Given the Supreme Court's decisions against Trump, there was a pretty good chance that they would have ruled against Trump again if Pence had refused to sign the certification of elector slates. Even if they had allowed the challenges, Trump's legal team had presented evidence to Republican-controlled state legislatures in battleground states and none of them took the actions that were required to overturn the rigged election results. I have serious doubts that the state legislatures would have acted expeditiously to audit the ballots and overturn the results of the election, even if the Supreme Court allowed them to reconsider their certifications of the votes. 

When I say that the state legislatures did not do their jobs, I meant that Republicans in the state legislatures stood idly by as Democrats and crooked Republicans in the executive branches of those states made it easier to commit election fraud. They were asleep at the switch and consequently, there were too many rigged elections for Trump and his legal team to effectively challenge. I will never understand why Trump put Rudy Giuliani in charge of the legal team. It seemed like Trump went for a celebrity all-star team of attorneys instead of hiring a team of election law specialists. I have always liked and respected Giuliani but he was too far removed from the courtroom to be given such an important role at his age.

Pence acted in his own political self-interest by certifying the electors but do you really think that Trump would have taken a different action if his role was reversed with Pence's? I don't. Trump would have acted in his own political interest and IMO, he would have reached the same conclusion as Pence did.

Trump's criticism and his own political ambitions have destroyed Pence's chances at the presidency and I don't think that it mattered what Pence had done on 6 January. He was going to anger millions of Republican voters either way.

I wish that Trump would step aside and let a younger man take a shot in 2024. 78 is too old for a president to enter the office for a four-year term, IMO. I will vote for Trump if he wins the nomination but I will not be happy about him clearing the field of younger, more conservative candidates. Trump narrowly beat two horrible Democrats in 2016 and 2020. He was cheated out of a second term but it is time for the Republican Party and the country to move forward with Trump playing the role of an elder statesman.

[vector#1]

^Pedo Joe Biden is more popular than Harris and I am not sure that a good doctor could find Biden's pulse. I think that drugs that keep Biden semi-coherent part of the time have displaced his red blood cells.

Pence is not a viable candidate, IMO. Trump and the GOP put Pence in a no-win situation on 6 January and I think it is time for him to retire from politics. Had state legislatures done their jobs, Trump would be president and Pence would be awaiting his turn in the White House.

When a showdown is coming, the worst thing one can do is back down from it for reluctance sake. And that is what I believe Pence did. The time to throw the gauntlet is before your neighbor builds his fence on your property, not after. Pence may have dodged a confrontation, but he did not put any part of the controversy to rest. At this point if there is any right on the side of the GOP, it will take far more to rectify than it would have if he'd pressed the point. FAR MORE

In retrospect he bought the media's ashen faced reports of Jan 6 and acted accordingly. What I saw were the same media earlier reporting the protests put on by Antifa et-al as being mostly peaceful. And that as public and private property belonging to the people, burned in the background. The opposite is true for the events of Jan 6th, as rally goers and protesters were crawling on Capital walls, the media were casting the scene as if an invasion force from the north had overrun the entirety of DC. Those actions were not to be excused, but reports of a coup attempt were/are a stretch. 

Both are examples of the media politicizing and putting their own narrative to events which only a few years ago, would have been allowed to speak for themselves. The events of 911 come to mind. And yet as Hoot has said, MR Pence' career is just as over as if he had challenged the validity of any of the electors and been wrong about it: as detailed under his clearly enumerated authority of section 15 of the Elector Vote Counting process before the joint session, and as spelled out in the US Constitution.

I disagree. Given the Supreme Court's decisions against Trump, there was a pretty good chance that they would have ruled against Trump again if Pence had refused to sign the certification of elector slates. Even if they had allowed the challenges, Trump's legal team had presented evidence to Republican-controlled state legislatures in battleground states and none of them took the actions that were required to overturn the rigged election results. I have serious doubts that the state legislatures would have acted expeditiously to audit the ballots and overturn the results of the election, even if the Supreme Court allowed them to reconsider their certifications of the votes. 

When I say that the state legislatures did not do their jobs, I meant that Republicans in the state legislatures stood idly by as Democrats and crooked Republicans in the executive branches of those states made it easier to commit election fraud. They were asleep at the switch and consequently, there were too many rigged elections for Trump and his legal team to effectively challenge. I will never understand why Trump put Rudy Giuliani in charge of the legal team. It seemed like Trump went for a celebrity all-star team of attorneys instead of hiring a team of election law specialists. I have always liked and respected Giuliani but he was too far removed from the courtroom to be given such an important role at his age.

Pence acted in his own political self-interest by certifying the electors but do you really think that Trump would have taken a different action if his role was reversed with Pence's? I don't. Trump would have acted in his own political interest and IMO, he would have reached the same conclusion as Pence did.

Trump's criticism and his own political ambitions have destroyed Pence's chances at the presidency and I don't think that it mattered what Pence had done on 6 January. He was going to anger millions of Republican voters either way.

I wish that Trump would step aside and let a younger man take a shot in 2024. 78 is too old for a president to enter the office for a four-year term, IMO. I will vote for Trump if he wins the nomination but I will not be happy about him clearing the field of younger, more conservative candidates. Trump narrowly beat two horrible Democrats in 2016 and 2020. He was cheated out of a second term but it is time for the Republican Party and the country to move forward with Trump playing the role of an elder statesman.

Hoot NO decent lawyer would take Trump's case that's why I mean he had the money but NO evidence even after 10 months he still has NO evidense.
Now Hoot who won Trump or Biden remember you can have only one president at a time ?

[Hoot Gibson]

Just a friendly reminder, vector#1:

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