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Why are people still not getting the Covid vaccine?
#31
(09-06-2021, 11:53 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: The 95% of vaccinated physicians is correct.  I was being generous with 5% of quacks would consider prescribing ivermectin.

Did you actually read the article or spoon fed the bs as usual?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...d-1220608/

“Update: One hospital has denied Dr. Jason McElyea’s claim that ivermectin overdoses are causing emergency room backlogs and delays in medical care in rural Oklahoma, and Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases as of the time of this update.
The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations. The doctor is affiliated with a medical staffing group that serves multiple hospitals in Oklahoma. Following widespread publication of his statements, one hospital that the doctor’s group serves, NHS Sequoyah, said its ER has not treated any ivermectin overdoses and that it has not had to turn away anyone seeking care. This and other hospitals that the doctor’s group serves did not respond to requests for comment and the doctor has not responded to requests for further comment. We will update if we receive more information.”

This story? Hmmm…doctor says one thing and one hospital disputes it.  The disputing hospital wasn’t mentioned in either the Rolling stone article or the local Tv station that originally reported the crisis.  Sounds like disinformation has thrown the baby out with the bath water.
The hospital said that the doctor had not worked there for a couple of years. Why would the hospital deny the story if true? That would not make any sense. A critical thinker you are not.

You read a fake news story and ran with it. Of those 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdoses, were all of the victims human or does the total include pets and livestock? If all of the overdoses involved humans, did all of them require hospitalization? If so, do you think that 459 cases nationwide would have created hospital bed shortages that prevented the treatment of gunshot wounds? You are a liar but you may be a bigger fool than you are a liar.
#32
(09-06-2021, 12:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 11:53 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: The 95% of vaccinated physicians is correct.  I was being generous with 5% of quacks would consider prescribing ivermectin.

Did you actually read the article or spoon fed the bs as usual?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...d-1220608/

“Update: One hospital has denied Dr. Jason McElyea’s claim that ivermectin overdoses are causing emergency room backlogs and delays in medical care in rural Oklahoma, and Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases as of the time of this update.
The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations. The doctor is affiliated with a medical staffing group that serves multiple hospitals in Oklahoma. Following widespread publication of his statements, one hospital that the doctor’s group serves, NHS Sequoyah, said its ER has not treated any ivermectin overdoses and that it has not had to turn away anyone seeking care. This and other hospitals that the doctor’s group serves did not respond to requests for comment and the doctor has not responded to requests for further comment. We will update if we receive more information.”

This story? Hmmm…doctor says one thing and one hospital disputes it.  The disputing hospital wasn’t mentioned in either the Rolling stone article or the local Tv station that originally reported the crisis.  Sounds like disinformation has thrown the baby out with the bath water.
The hospital said that the doctor had not worked there for a couple of years. Why would the hospital deny the story if true? That would not make any sense. A critical thinker you are not.

You read a fake news story and ran with it. Of those 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdoses, were all of the victims human or does the total include pets and livestock? If all of the overdoses involved humans, did all of them require hospitalization? If so, do you think that 459 cases nationwide would have created hospital bed shortages that prevented the treatment of gunshot wounds? You are a liar but you may be a bigger fool than you are a liar.
Technically, they said the Dr hasn’t worked for that hospital in two months. This was one of the hospitals his group works at but maybe it wasn’t the one he was talking about when he was interviewed by the local news station. It’s certainly believable there are areas that are more susceptible to the horse dewormer cult behavior than others. It’s certainly possible the Dr. is being sensational. 

I didn’t mention the story; you did.  
I guarantee there will be an update clearing this up after the holiday.
#33
(09-06-2021, 12:39 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 12:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 11:53 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: The 95% of vaccinated physicians is correct.  I was being generous with 5% of quacks would consider prescribing ivermectin.

Did you actually read the article or spoon fed the bs as usual?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...d-1220608/

“Update: One hospital has denied Dr. Jason McElyea’s claim that ivermectin overdoses are causing emergency room backlogs and delays in medical care in rural Oklahoma, and Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases as of the time of this update.
The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations. The doctor is affiliated with a medical staffing group that serves multiple hospitals in Oklahoma. Following widespread publication of his statements, one hospital that the doctor’s group serves, NHS Sequoyah, said its ER has not treated any ivermectin overdoses and that it has not had to turn away anyone seeking care. This and other hospitals that the doctor’s group serves did not respond to requests for comment and the doctor has not responded to requests for further comment. We will update if we receive more information.”

This story? Hmmm…doctor says one thing and one hospital disputes it.  The disputing hospital wasn’t mentioned in either the Rolling stone article or the local Tv station that originally reported the crisis.  Sounds like disinformation has thrown the baby out with the bath water.
The hospital said that the doctor had not worked there for a couple of years. Why would the hospital deny the story if true? That would not make any sense. A critical thinker you are not.

You read a fake news story and ran with it. Of those 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdoses, were all of the victims human or does the total include pets and livestock? If all of the overdoses involved humans, did all of them require hospitalization? If so, do you think that 459 cases nationwide would have created hospital bed shortages that prevented the treatment of gunshot wounds? You are a liar but you may be a bigger fool than you are a liar.
Technically, they said the Dr hasn’t worked for that hospital in two months. This was one of the hospitals his group works at but maybe it wasn’t the one he was talking about when he was interviewed by the local news station. It’s certainly believable there are areas that are more susceptible to the horse dewormer cult behavior than others. It’s certainly possible the Dr. is being sensational. 

I didn’t mention the story; you did.  
I guarantee there will be an update clearing this up after the holiday.
No, you just started referring to ivermectin as horse wormer ad nauseam and never acknowledged the fact that the product made for humans is being widely prescribed by doctors both in this country and in countries around the world. Note that Rolling Stone labeled its retraction an "Update." Do you remember Rolling Stone pushing the fake UVA rape hoax story? I do. This kind of thing happens when one relies on Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid as news sources.

Quote:Rolling Stone forced to issue an 'update' after viral hospital ivermectin story turns out to be false

The Northeastern Hospital System released a statement contradicting the story

This is the kind of disinformation that people who make a habit of watching MSNBC just lap up and run with. 

#34
Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases. NOT for Covid. And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply. Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
#35
(09-06-2021, 01:12 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases.  NOT for Covid.  And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply.  Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
No, you are wrong again. Ivermectin is being prescribed for COVID around the globe by doctors, not vets. But keep lying. You are not good at it but it is still probably your best skill.
#36
(09-06-2021, 01:17 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:12 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases.  NOT for Covid.  And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply.  Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
No, you are wrong again. Ivermectin is being prescribed for COVID around the globe by doctors, not vets. But keep lying. You are not good at it but it is still probably your best skill.
Bless your heart if your dr prescribes it and your pharmacist fills it. Gonna be a rough way of it dealing with Covid and all the adverse effects of horse wormer. 

wouldn’t it be a hell of a lot easier just to get the vaccine something nearly doctor in the world recommends.
#37
(09-06-2021, 01:29 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:17 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:12 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases.  NOT for Covid.  And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply.  Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
No, you are wrong again. Ivermectin is being prescribed for COVID around the globe by doctors, not vets. But keep lying. You are not good at it but it is still probably your best skill.
Bless your heart if your dr prescribes it and your pharmacist fills it. Gonna be a rough way of it dealing with Covid and all the adverse effects of horse wormer. 

wouldn’t it be a hell of a lot easier just to get the vaccine something nearly doctor in the world recommends.
I'm not advocating ivermectin's use but I have done enough research on the topic to understand that much smarter people than you are prescribing ivermectin and taking ivermectin for COVID. You just make yourself look more and more ignorant spreading propaganda that the liberal Democrats in the administration are dispensing.
#38
I am not going to take the time or space to post all of the idiotic tweets made by liberals based on the fake Rolling Stones article about ivermectin, but suffice it to say that Cardfan1 was not the only sucker to fall for the story. However, he continues to post as if the story was true. It reminds me of when Dan Rather reported on forged, politically damaging memos about George W. Bush just before an election and then explained that the memos were "fake but accurate." Cardfan1 posts a lot of things that are fake because, to him, they are just too good not to be true.

Below is a tweet made by a reporter for Business Insider, which is a left wing media site often linked by Cardfan1 and his ilk.



#39
(09-06-2021, 01:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:29 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:17 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:12 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases.  NOT for Covid.  And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply.  Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
No, you are wrong again. Ivermectin is being prescribed for COVID around the globe by doctors, not vets. But keep lying. You are not good at it but it is still probably your best skill.
Bless your heart if your dr prescribes it and your pharmacist fills it. Gonna be a rough way of it dealing with Covid and all the adverse effects of horse wormer. 

wouldn’t it be a hell of a lot easier just to get the vaccine something nearly doctor in the world recommends.
I'm not advocating ivermectin's use but I have done enough research on the topic to understand that much smarter people than you are prescribing ivermectin and taking ivermectin for COVID. You just make yourself look more and more ignorant spreading propaganda that the liberal Democrats in the administration are dispensing.
Big Grin 
much smarter people than you are saying don’t take it.  And much smarter people than you have told you to get the vaccine.  

you people are ruining in it all with your stupidity.  

freedumb !!!
#40
(09-06-2021, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:29 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:17 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-06-2021, 01:12 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Big Grin
Yes a human version that is prescribed for river blindness and other parasitic diseases.  NOT for Covid.  And not the same formula used for animals.

But again it’s your right. Buy all your medicines from tractor supply.  Good luck.

Hooter, you get your news from places that never report accurately. Kind of hard to hold anybody to any standard when you listen to that garbage.
No, you are wrong again. Ivermectin is being prescribed for COVID around the globe by doctors, not vets. But keep lying. You are not good at it but it is still probably your best skill.
Bless your heart if your dr prescribes it and your pharmacist fills it. Gonna be a rough way of it dealing with Covid and all the adverse effects of horse wormer. 

wouldn’t it be a hell of a lot easier just to get the vaccine something nearly doctor in the world recommends.
I'm not advocating ivermectin's use but I have done enough research on the topic to understand that much smarter people than you are prescribing ivermectin and taking ivermectin for COVID. You just make yourself look more and more ignorant spreading propaganda that the liberal Democrats in the administration are dispensing.
Big Grin 
much smarter people than you are saying don’t take it.  And much smarter people than you have told you to get the vaccine.  

you people are ruining in it all with your stupidity.  

freedumb !!!
Somebody with an IQ under 100, such as yourself, should not be dispensing medical advice. As I demonstrated with my post above about the ivermectin issue, your reading comprehension is really bad and your dishonesty just highlights the problem. It's hard to tell when you are lying or are just too dumb to understand what you have read. Neither is a good look for you.
#41
In case there was any doubt in anybody's mind that the Democrat media is deliberately spreading propaganda about ivermectin, I present Exhibit II. This is the second article in recent days to wildly exaggerate the dangers of taking ivermectin to treat COVID-19. As the article says, it is legal for doctors in this country to prescribe drugs to treat illnesses other than the primary target of those drugs and the practice is common. 

Quote:Another ivermectin story and false reports; this time by AP

[*]AP reported 70% of poison calls in Mississippi were for ivermectin. The true number is reportedly 1.4%.


Leah Willingham of the Associated Press (AP) joins Rolling Stone in having to correct an embarrassing error, as propagandists try to controversialize the medicine ivermectin to treat Covid-19.

Both news agencies have passed along widely false information as they state or imply that leagues of uninformed people across the country are poisoning themselves with ivermectin.

The AP report on August 23 falsely stated that 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center were from people who had ingested ivermectin to try to treat COVID-19.

The actual number was reportedly around 2% or, as calculated by another news organization, 1.4%, not 70%.
AP says the incorrect information was provided by the Mississippi Department of Health. AP corrected its story to state that about 2% of calls were related to ivermectin and 70% of the 2% were released to the animal formulation of the drug.

Propagandists and public health officials have been trying to dissuade people from using ivermectin to treat Covid-19, although many scientists and physicians say it has proven highly effective in some people.

Ivermectin is FDA-approved in humans for other uses. Like two of the Covid-19 vaccines, ivermectin is not FDA-approved for Covid-19. However, off-label use, prescription of medicine by a doctor for other maladies is common in the U.S. and is legal.
#42
If you take time to read the article below, then you will see why some doctors in the U.S. are prescribing ivermectin to patients with early symptoms of COVID-19. The statistics comparing COVID-19 infection rates and fatality rates for African nations that provide ivermectin to their citizens to combat parasites to those in African countries that do not administer doses of ivermectin strongly indicates that the drug is effective in treating COVID-19.

Cardfan1 deserves some credit for making this information available. Because he ridiculed Americans who have taken ivermectin so vociferously, I suspected that he was pushing unfounded propaganda. That turned out to be the case, so I am sharing the following article. I don't know for certain that ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19 but it sounds like it warrants more study and the sooner the better. Treatment is not an alternative to vaccination but with so many vaccinated people getting COVID-19, more resources should be devoted to identifying effective treatments.

Quote:BREAKING: Japanese medical association chairman tells doctors to prescribe Ivermectin for COVID

The chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki, held a press conference this week announcing that the anti-parasite medicine Ivermectin seems to be effective at stopping COVID-19 and publicly recommending that all doctors in Japan immediately begin using Ivermectin to treat COVID.

Ivermectin has been a source of controversy amongst medical professionals regarding the possibility of therapeutic treatments for those diagnosed with COVID-19.

In an article about the suppression of Ivermectin by health authorities, Dr. Joseph Mercola wrote: “While the list of crimes committed by authorities during the COVID-19 pandemic is a long one, perhaps the biggest crime of all is the purposeful suppression of safe and effective treatments.”

Multiple reports and studies have shown evidence that Ivermectin is effective in combatting illness associated with COVID-19, and in some countries, like India, it is recommended for use even though the World Health Organization does not recommend it.

Dr. Ozaki cited evidence from African nations that have utilized Ivermectin during the pandemic. He stated: “In Africa, if we compare countries distributing Ivermectin once a year with countries who do not give Ivermectin… they don’t give Ivermectin to prevent COVID but to prevent parasitic disease… if we look at COVID numbers in countries that give Ivermectin, the number of cases is 134.4/100,000 and the number of deaths is 2.2/100,000.”

The Tokyo Medical Association chairman compared statistics from African countries that did use Ivermectin yearly with those that did not: “Now African countries which do not distribute Ivermectin: 950.6 cases per 100,000 and 29.3 deaths per 100,000.”

In his opinion, he believes that this shows a clear difference between the illness and fatality rates amongst nations that use Ivermectin and those that do not: “I believe the difference is clear. Of course one cannot conclude that Ivermectin is effective only on the basis of these figures, but when we have all of these elements, we cannot say that Ivermectin is absolutely not effective, at least not me.”

He added that, given the situation, other studies can be done to “confirm its efficacy,” insinuating that it is worth using as a treatment, given that in his estimation, Japan is “in a crisis situation.”

He said, “I think we are in a situation where we can afford to give [patients] this treatment.”

Another prominent Japanese physician, Dr. Kazuhiro Nagao, appeared on Japanese television proposing that COVID-19 should be treated as a Class 5 illness as opposed to its current classification as a Class 2. In Japan, illnesses are categorized by a classification system; approaching COVID as a Class 5 illness would mean that it could be treated like a seasonal flu.

Dr. Nagao said he has used Ivermectin as an early treatment for over 500 COVID patients with practically a 100% success rate, and that it should be used nationwide.

About the effectiveness of Ivermectin in treating COVID patients, he said: “It starts being effective the very next day… My patients can reach me by message 24/7 and they tell me they feel better the next day.”

Nagao was asked by the TV anchor when patients should take Ivermectin if diagnosed with COVID-19. He replied: “The same day, I mean if you are infected today, you take it today… It is a medication that should be given for mildly ill patients. If you give it to hospital patients, it’s too late. This is also the case for the majority of drugs… So you have to give Ivermectin. I am asking our Prime Minister Suga to distribute this drug ‘made in Japan’ on a large scale in the country.”
#43
https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article. Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
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#44
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
#45
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Quooter you have wasted enough time here on my dime
#46
(09-07-2021, 12:59 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Quooter you have wasted enough time here on my dime
Nothing is on your dime, deadbeat.
#47
(09-07-2021, 01:01 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:59 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Quooter you have wasted enough time here on my dime
Nothing is on your dime, deadbeat.
Quooter again I am still paying federal taxes so by your story I am helping paying your sorry A$$ for being on here all day even though you claim you are working I couldn't do that when I worked but I did work for the taxpayers

didn't
#48
Yet another thread stunk up by the village idiots. Surprise surprise.
#49
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
#50
(09-07-2021, 03:21 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
#51
(09-07-2021, 03:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:21 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
#52
(09-07-2021, 04:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:21 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 10:58 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: https://www.wcpo.com/money/angies-list/h...ivermectin
Fact Check Friday: Ivermectin

Many posts online containing the video make it seem like the video was filmed in August; however, it was filmed in February. Seven months later, Japan has not approved of Ivermectin to be used to treat COVID-19.

Lifesite had to "Update" their article.  Hooter, day late and a dollar short again.
More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
More lies and half-truths. What I am doing is exposing you for spreading disinformation again, and I have done so very successfully. You have been ridiculing people for taking and doctors for prescribing ivermectin, claiming that it is dangerous and that there is no evidence that it works. All I have done is prove that there is enough evidence that it works that it is being widely used in other countries and the results have led to full clinical trials that are ongoing. All you have done is post one lie after another to distract from the fact that you are in the wrong again.

You are correct that some doctors art telling people not to use ivermectin but as I have proven, other very reputable doctors have prescribed ivermectin and/or urged governments to approve its use.

At least you are very subtly changing your tone and language. "It is not proven to work" leaves you some wiggle room in case ongoing studies do prove its efficacy that you did not have with your previous statements.

My point is that people who take ivermectin prescribed by a doctor are generally not the rubes that you claimed them to be. Obviously, if somebody takes drugs intended for horses in doses large enough for horses, they run the risk of a quick death. No reputable doctor is suggesting that people resort to animal-grade ivermectin to treat coronavirus infections.
#53
(09-07-2021, 05:18 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 04:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:21 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 12:35 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: More lies. I never claimed that ivermectin had been approved for use in Japan. I posted a recommendation made by the Chairman of the Japan Medical Association that Japan should be using ivermectin to fight COVID-19.

You have ridiculed the use of ivermectin because you are just following the Democrat Party propaganda line. There is strong evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, both in Africa and India. A large clinical trial began a year ago in Japan involving patients with oxygen saturation levels of at least 95 percent and mild to moderate symptoms. Clinical trials have begun in this country as well. When Democrat bureaucrats say that ivermectin that there is no evidence that ivermectin is effective against COVID-19, they are either lying or speaking out of ignorance. When you repeat those claims, you are just plain lying. When you refer to ivermectin as "horse wormer" you are making yourself look like an idiot, which is something that never seems to bother you.

Time will tell whether ivermectin is effective against the virus through double-blind, peer review clinical trials but your efforts to ridicule those who are requesting ivermectin from their doctors and the doctors who have prescribed ivermectin are inappropriate no matter what the outcome of the studies are. If you bothered reading the statistics from Africa, then you know that doctors are not prescribing ivermectin and clinical trials are not be conducted without good reason. The current approach of waiting until COVID patients turn blue at home and then treating them at the hospital is not working very well. Taking ivermectin, as directed by a doctor, is not going to kill anybody. Taking megadoses of ivermectin bought from a feed supply store will.
Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
More lies and half-truths. What I am doing is exposing you for spreading disinformation again, and I have done so very successfully. You have been ridiculing people for taking and doctors for prescribing ivermectin, claiming that it is dangerous and that there is no evidence that it works. All I have done is prove that there is enough evidence that it works that it is being widely used in other countries and the results have led to full clinical trials that are ongoing. All you have done is post one lie after another to distract from the fact that you are in the wrong again.

You are correct that some doctors art telling people not to use ivermectin but as I have proven, other very reputable doctors have prescribed ivermectin and/or urged governments to approve its use.

At least you are very subtly changing your tone and language. "It is not proven to work" leaves you some wiggle room in case ongoing studies do prove its efficacy that you did not have with your previous statements.

My point is that people who take ivermectin prescribed by a doctor are generally not the rubes that you claimed them to be. Obviously, if somebody takes drugs intended for horses in doses large enough for horses, they run the risk of a quick death. No reputable doctor is suggesting that people resort to animal-grade ivermectin to treat coronavirus infections.
I’m not changing my tone.  
and what half-truth?  

MOST doctors and MOST public health agencies are discouraging the use of Ivermectin for the Rona.   

good lord what’s next? You guys have gone from one quack to the next. 

(Nice word, Hooter)

Rubes.
#54
(09-07-2021, 05:55 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 05:18 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 04:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:21 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Hooter, most of the studies you refer to have been retracted or even debunked due to their small sample size or even the fact these people were taking other drugs.  What about when most doctors say that?  Are they lying or speaking out of ignorance? I know you want to be right about this "silver bullet" for COVID, but you're not.  The closest thing we have to a silver bullet is the vaccine and a few monoclonal treatments that have been heavily invested in by Republican politicians who spend their time encouraging Americans to fight for their Freedom.
Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
More lies and half-truths. What I am doing is exposing you for spreading disinformation again, and I have done so very successfully. You have been ridiculing people for taking and doctors for prescribing ivermectin, claiming that it is dangerous and that there is no evidence that it works. All I have done is prove that there is enough evidence that it works that it is being widely used in other countries and the results have led to full clinical trials that are ongoing. All you have done is post one lie after another to distract from the fact that you are in the wrong again.

You are correct that some doctors art telling people not to use ivermectin but as I have proven, other very reputable doctors have prescribed ivermectin and/or urged governments to approve its use.

At least you are very subtly changing your tone and language. "It is not proven to work" leaves you some wiggle room in case ongoing studies do prove its efficacy that you did not have with your previous statements.

My point is that people who take ivermectin prescribed by a doctor are generally not the rubes that you claimed them to be. Obviously, if somebody takes drugs intended for horses in doses large enough for horses, they run the risk of a quick death. No reputable doctor is suggesting that people resort to animal-grade ivermectin to treat coronavirus infections.
I’m not changing my tone.  
and what half-truth?  

MOST doctors and MOST public health agencies are discouraging the use of Ivermectin for the Rona.   

good lord what’s next? You guys have gone from one quack to the next. 

(Nice word, Hooter)

Rubes.
Your position is "evolving." If studies prove that ivermectin is effective, then you will claim that you never said it wasn't and call everybody liars who dispute your claim. Why? Because, as Obama might say, that is who you are. You are most often wrong but not man enough to admit it when you are proven wrong.
#55
(09-07-2021, 06:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 05:55 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 05:18 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 04:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 03:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Can you not make a single post without throwing another lie into the mix? I have not posted anything close to a claim that ivermectin is a "silver bullet." It must be tough to be wrong as often as you are but creating strawmen by responding to something that I never claimed is not making you look any better. Your attempts to save face by lying just result in face plants.
Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
More lies and half-truths. What I am doing is exposing you for spreading disinformation again, and I have done so very successfully. You have been ridiculing people for taking and doctors for prescribing ivermectin, claiming that it is dangerous and that there is no evidence that it works. All I have done is prove that there is enough evidence that it works that it is being widely used in other countries and the results have led to full clinical trials that are ongoing. All you have done is post one lie after another to distract from the fact that you are in the wrong again.

You are correct that some doctors art telling people not to use ivermectin but as I have proven, other very reputable doctors have prescribed ivermectin and/or urged governments to approve its use.

At least you are very subtly changing your tone and language. "It is not proven to work" leaves you some wiggle room in case ongoing studies do prove its efficacy that you did not have with your previous statements.

My point is that people who take ivermectin prescribed by a doctor are generally not the rubes that you claimed them to be. Obviously, if somebody takes drugs intended for horses in doses large enough for horses, they run the risk of a quick death. No reputable doctor is suggesting that people resort to animal-grade ivermectin to treat coronavirus infections.
I’m not changing my tone.  
and what half-truth?  

MOST doctors and MOST public health agencies are discouraging the use of Ivermectin for the Rona.   

good lord what’s next? You guys have gone from one quack to the next. 

(Nice word, Hooter)

Rubes.
Your position is "evolving." If studies prove that ivermectin is effective, then you will claim that you never said it wasn't and call everybody liars who dispute your claim. Why? Because, as Obama might say, that is who you are. You are most often wrong but not man enough to admit it when you are proven wrong.
Sorry it’s not. My position is the same.  

I lean with the majority of health professionals that say Ivermectin’s cons outweigh the pros. 

But go ahead. Push it on your like thinkers, Hooter. Maybe it will work out or maybe it won’t.  

You love your African studies why don’t you look up the one that found 85% of those treated with ivermectin for river blindness became sterile.

Huh

oh boy…

[Video: http://https://youtu.be/HLtCBvKI_Mc]

#56
(09-07-2021, 08:42 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 06:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 05:55 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 05:18 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(09-07-2021, 04:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Lie?  What lie?  You always say that but you never prove the lie.  However, You are presenting misleading information as valid medical advice that doctors should be following.   

dude, you act like there is some type of conspiracy that prevents the medical community from encouraging the use of Ivermectin.  It's silly.

Doctors are telling people not to use it because it is not proven to work and the side effects outweigh the benefits.
More lies and half-truths. What I am doing is exposing you for spreading disinformation again, and I have done so very successfully. You have been ridiculing people for taking and doctors for prescribing ivermectin, claiming that it is dangerous and that there is no evidence that it works. All I have done is prove that there is enough evidence that it works that it is being widely used in other countries and the results have led to full clinical trials that are ongoing. All you have done is post one lie after another to distract from the fact that you are in the wrong again.

You are correct that some doctors art telling people not to use ivermectin but as I have proven, other very reputable doctors have prescribed ivermectin and/or urged governments to approve its use.

At least you are very subtly changing your tone and language. "It is not proven to work" leaves you some wiggle room in case ongoing studies do prove its efficacy that you did not have with your previous statements.

My point is that people who take ivermectin prescribed by a doctor are generally not the rubes that you claimed them to be. Obviously, if somebody takes drugs intended for horses in doses large enough for horses, they run the risk of a quick death. No reputable doctor is suggesting that people resort to animal-grade ivermectin to treat coronavirus infections.
I’m not changing my tone.  
and what half-truth?  

MOST doctors and MOST public health agencies are discouraging the use of Ivermectin for the Rona.   

good lord what’s next? You guys have gone from one quack to the next. 

(Nice word, Hooter)

Rubes.
Your position is "evolving." If studies prove that ivermectin is effective, then you will claim that you never said it wasn't and call everybody liars who dispute your claim. Why? Because, as Obama might say, that is who you are. You are most often wrong but not man enough to admit it when you are proven wrong.
Sorry it’s not. My position is the same.  

I lean with the majority of health professionals that say Ivermectin’s cons outweigh the pros. 

But go ahead. Push it on your like thinkers, Hooter. Maybe it will work out or maybe it won’t.  

You love your African studies why don’t you look up the one that found 85% of those treated with ivermectin for river blindness became sterile.

Huh

oh boy…

[Video: http://https://youtu.be/HLtCBvKI_Mc]

I'm not wasting my time watching your propaganda.
#57
For those of you who are open-minded and can understand simple line graphs, bar charts and statistics, I encourage you to read the following article about states in India that have used ivermectin to treat COVID-19. (In other words, don't waste your time Twin Ticks. This will hurt your brains and compel you to post more propaganda. So, please just skip this post.)

Quote:India's Ivermectin Blackout
Ivermectin Wins in India
News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.


Yet, for some reason, we are not allowed to talk about it. Thus, for example, Wikipedia cannot mention the peer-reviewed meta-analyses by Dr. Tess Lawrie or Dr. Pierre Kory published in the American Journal of Therapeutics

Wikipedia is not allowed to publish the recent meta-analysis on Ivermectin authored by Dr. Andrew Hill.

Furthermore, it is not allowed to say anything concerning www.ivmmeta.com showing the 61 studies comprising 23,000 patients which reveal up to a 96% reduction in death [prophylaxis] with Ivermectin.

One can see the bias in Wikipedia by going on the "talk" pages for each subject and reading about the fierce attempts of editors to add these facts and the stone wall refusals by the "senior" editors who have an agenda. And that agenda is not loyalty to your health.

The easy way to read the “talk” page on any Wikipedia subject is to click the top left “talk” button. Anyone can then review the editors’ discussions.

There is a blackout on any conversation about how Ivermectin beat COVID-19 in India. When I discussed the dire straits that India found itself in early this year with 414,000 cases per day, and over 4,000 deaths per day, and how that evaporated within five weeks of the addition of Ivermectin, I am often asked, "But why is there no mention of that in the news?"

Yes, exactly. Ask yourself why India’s success against the Delta variant with Ivermectin is such a closely guarded secret by the NIH and CDC. Second, ask yourself why no major media outlets reported this fact, but instead, tried to confuse you with false information by saying the deaths in India are 10 times greater than official reports.

Perhaps NPR is trying so hard because NPR is essentially a government mouthpiece. The US government is “all-in” with vaccines with the enthusiasm of a 17th century Catholic Church “all-in” with a Geocentric Model of the Universe disputing Galileo. Claiming that India’s numbers are inaccurate might distract from the overwhelming success of Ivermectin.

But in the end, the truth matters. It mattered in 1616, and it matters in 2021.

[Image: https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public...k=X2jeEjsg]

The graphs and data from the Johns Hopkins University CSSE database do not lie.

On the contrary, they provide a compelling trail of truth that no one can dispute, not even the NIH, CDC, FDA, and WHO.

Just as Galileo proved with his telescope that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe in 1616; today, the data from India shows that Ivermectin is effective, much more so than the vaccines. It not only prevents death, but it also prevents COVID infections, and it also is effective against the Delta Variant.

In 1616, you could not make up the telescopic images of Jupiter and its orbiting moons, nor could you falsify the crescent-shaped images of Venus and Mercury. These proved that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe – a truth the Catholic Church could not allow.

Likewise, the massive drop in cases and deaths in India to almost nothing after the addition of Ivermectin proved the drug's effectiveness. This is a truth that the NIH, CDC, and FDA cannot allow because it would endanger the vaccine policy.

Never mind that Ivermectin would save more lives with much less risk, much less cost, and it would end the pandemic quickly.

Let us look at the burgundy-colored graph of Uttar Pradesh. First, allow me to thank Juan Chamie, a highly-respected Cambridge-based data analyst, who created this graph from the JHU CSSE data.
 
Uttar Pradesh is a state in India that contains 241 million people. The United States’ population is 331 million people. Therefore, Uttar Pradesh can be compared to the United States, with 2/3 of our population size.

This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol.

By comparison, the United States is the lower graph. On August 5, here in the good ol’ USA, blessed with the glorious vaccines, we have 127,108 new cases per day and 574 new deaths. 

Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin.

It is not even close. Countries do orders of magnitude better WITH Ivermectin. It might be comparable to the difference in travel between using an automobile versus a horse and buggy.

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin:  Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
COVID Daily Cases: 26
COVID Daily Deaths: 3

The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]
COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
COVID Daily Deaths: 574

Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:
Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
COVID Daily Cases: 61
COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
COVID Daily Cases: 24
COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Now let us look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin

Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.

Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states.
 
Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.

Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]
COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
COVID Daily Deaths: 33

Like the JHU CSSE data, Galileo's telescope did not lie either, and the truth can usually be found in plain sight. Ivermectin works, and it works exceedingly well. Harvard-trained virologist Dr. George Fareed and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson of California's Imperial Valley, have saved 99.9% of their patients with a COVID Cocktail that includes Ivermectin. They have released versions of their new book published in the Desert Review that everyone should read.

I could talk about how every one of my patients who used Ivermectin recovered rapidly, about my most recent case who felt 90% better within 48 hours of adding the drug, but I won't. I could write about how Wikipedia censors more than Pravda, about how you should always read the "talk" section of EVERY Wikipedia article to go behind the scenes and understand what the editors DO NOT want you to read, but I will refrain.

I could write about VAERS and how it is so much easier to navigate by following Open VAERS or how Wikipedia has unfairly portrayed Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the world's sharpest and most credible doctors. But I will hold back.

I could recite the history of early outpatient treatment of COVID-19 with repurposed drugs, including Ivermectin, with all the specifics, and EXACTLY WHY this lifesaving information has been censored, but instead, I will leave researching these topics to each of you readers as individuals.

Because you already know what will happen if you simply sit back and swallow what the media are feeding you. You MUST question what the government tells you, and always DO YOUR OWN research.

Following the 1616 Inquisition of Galileo, the Pope banned all books and letters that argued the sun was the center of the Universe instead of the Earth.

Similarly, today, the FDA and WHO have banned any use of Ivermectin for COVID outside of a clinical trial.

YouTube and Wikipedia both consider Ivermectin for COVID as heresy.
Quote:“YouTube doesn’t allow content that spreads medical misinformation that contradicts local health authorities or the World Health Organization’s (WHO) medical information about COVID-19… Treatment misinformation: claims that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19.”
Wikipedia defines heresy as:
Quote: “any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs, in particular the accepted beliefs of a church or religious organization. The term is usually used in reference to violations of important religious teachings, but is also used of views strongly opposed to any generally accepted ideas. A heretic is a proponent of heresy.”
Heresy is disagreeing with the government, or their health authority, even if they are all wrong and even if their policies harm people. Today we no longer call it heresy; it is labeled as misinformation.
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Hooter, after what I learned yesterday I support all conservatives and their choice to use ivermectin.
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(09-08-2021, 02:19 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Hooter, after what I learned yesterday I support all conservatives and their choice to use ivermectin.
Thin them out
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Big Grin "do your own research"  Big Grin   



So you watched some other kook's crap videos?  


Still... take your covid killing ivermectin.  Nevermind me.

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