Donald Trump pardoned this attempted leader of sedition.
We are at 5 alarm right now.
Democrats do not seem to understand the concept of a metaphor. This thread reminds me of when Democrats argued that Sarah Palin denoting states vulnerable for flipping to Republican control with bullseyes constituted threats of violence against Democrat candidates.
Sorry, The Outsider, for lumping you in with the Democrats. I realize that you are a straight party-line voter* and not a Democrat. No offense intended.
Most Republicans will understand that Bannon is suggesting that the winning Republican presidential candidate in 2024 must have a plan ready to purge his or her administration of far left wing Democrats and RINOs in key positions. By "purge," I mean fire, terminate, demand resignations, etc. By "terminate" I mean to let go, fire, or demand resignations. Not having such a plan in place, along with a team to execute it, was one of Trump's biggest mistakes in 2017. By "execute," I mean to peacefully implement the plan.
*Except for Donald J. Trump
(10-03-2021, 04:14 PM)The Outsider Wrote: [ -> ]Bannon admitted last week on his podcast that he told Trump before the insurrection: “You need to kill this [Biden] administration in its crib.” That led Harvard constitutional law expert Laurence Tribe to wonder why the Department of Justice hadn’t convened a grand jury to consider sedition charges against Bannon.
Tribe is a far left-wing lawyer. Why would a Republican put any stock in his opinion? Tribe knows as well as anybody else with any sense that Bannon's statement was hyperbole using the metaphor "crib."
You do not quack like a Republican duck or walk like a duck, The Outsider. Americans know real violence when they see it and real violence does not make use of metaphors or similes. Real violence is perpetrated mainly by members of the Democrat Party, by such factions as BLM and Antifa.
(10-03-2021, 08:56 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]^^^
If you’re calling Steve Bannon’s words metaphors and not cause for concern then you are defending him. He has shown us who he is, so we should take him at his word.
Insurrection:
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Nothing mentioned about death. Even though the only people died that die were traitors who were goaded into rioting and overrunning the death of our elected govt.
I got another definition for you hoot.
Delusion:
an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
It’s where you live.
Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which raised $25m (£19m), the US Department of Justice (DoJ) said.
Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses, it alleged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53853297
Drop the personal insults, Cardfan1. I will not allow you to lie and then allege that I am suffering a mental disorder because I set the record straight. Are you clear on that point?
What you posted does not support your claim that Bannon "stole millions" from Trump supporters. Once again, you exaggerated and misstated the allegations.
(10-04-2021, 08:01 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:13 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:04 PM)The Outsider Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 07:08 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 03:43 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, socialists do not understand metaphors. You are always eager to punish conservatives for exercising their First Amendment right to free speech but never have an issue with the hate speech of the left. I don't care for Steve Bannon but it is clear that his use of the term "shock troops" was not a call to arms. Anybody who says otherwise is a very bad liar.
How do you know this not a call to arms?
Bannon has used “metaphors” before.
I guarantee he will be tied to the 6th insurrection.
Why would you defend Steve Bannon? He means what he says. He stole millions from Trump supporters. Why are you defending him?
He defends him because Bannon is one of Trump's cohorts in crime and would defend Hitler if he supported Trump. It's really sad.
You should apologize for your personal attack. Hitler was a mass-murdering socialist psychopath. To say that I would defend him under any circumstance is beyond the pale.
Technically, Hitler was a fascist. Fascism and socialism are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Totalitarians are evil people and there really is no difference in the tactics and motivations of totalitarian dictators, whether you want to describe them as being on the far right or the far left. I understand that modern socialists like to paint all extremists as being on the far right, but groups like Antifa would have felt right at home carrying out Hitler's dirty work. True extremists have more in common with each other than with people who fall in the political mainstream.
The posts that were deleted were either 1)inappropriate 2)off topic or 3)contained posts that were either, using the copy feature.
I would suggest that you read Westside's warning again.
The Political Forum WILL be cleaned up!
(10-04-2021, 08:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:01 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:13 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:04 PM)The Outsider Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 07:08 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know this not a call to arms?
Bannon has used “metaphors” before.
I guarantee he will be tied to the 6th insurrection.
Why would you defend Steve Bannon? He means what he says. He stole millions from Trump supporters. Why are you defending him?
He defends him because Bannon is one of Trump's cohorts in crime and would defend Hitler if he supported Trump. It's really sad.
You should apologize for your personal attack. Hitler was a mass-murdering socialist psychopath. To say that I would defend him under any circumstance is beyond the pale.
Technically, Hitler was a fascist. Fascism and socialism are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Totalitarians are evil people and there really is no difference in the tactics and motivations of totalitarian dictators, whether you want to describe them as being on the far right or the far left. I understand that modern socialists like to paint all extremists as being on the far right, but groups like Antifa would have felt right at home carrying out Hitler's dirty work. True extremists have more in common with each other than with people who fall in the political mainstream.
You may want to do some more research. That’s like the modem Republican Party calling itself the party of Lincoln while many in the party fly the stars and bars.
Antifacists would carry out a fascists will?!
Bannon is far-right and if given the chance he will do anything.
(10-05-2021, 11:40 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:01 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:13 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:04 PM)The Outsider Wrote: [ -> ]He defends him because Bannon is one of Trump's cohorts in crime and would defend Hitler if he supported Trump. It's really sad.
You should apologize for your personal attack. Hitler was a mass-murdering socialist psychopath. To say that I would defend him under any circumstance is beyond the pale.
Technically, Hitler was a fascist. Fascism and socialism are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Totalitarians are evil people and there really is no difference in the tactics and motivations of totalitarian dictators, whether you want to describe them as being on the far right or the far left. I understand that modern socialists like to paint all extremists as being on the far right, but groups like Antifa would have felt right at home carrying out Hitler's dirty work. True extremists have more in common with each other than with people who fall in the political mainstream.
You may want to do some more research. That’s like the modem Republican Party calling itself the party of Lincoln while many in the party fly the stars and bars.
Antifacists would carry out a fascists will?!
Bannon is far-right and if given the chance he will do anything.
I don't need to do any more research. While liberals attack people like Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole, groups like BLM and Antifa are violently attacking living, breathing people for their political beliefs and liberals generally either applaud those efforts or decline to criticize them. If Democrats opposed actual violence as fervently as they attack opposing political free speech, maybe the violent crime rates in areas governed by liberals for decades could be brought under control.
(10-05-2021, 12:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 11:40 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:01 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:13 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]You should apologize for your personal attack. Hitler was a mass-murdering socialist psychopath. To say that I would defend him under any circumstance is beyond the pale.
Technically, Hitler was a fascist. Fascism and socialism are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Totalitarians are evil people and there really is no difference in the tactics and motivations of totalitarian dictators, whether you want to describe them as being on the far right or the far left. I understand that modern socialists like to paint all extremists as being on the far right, but groups like Antifa would have felt right at home carrying out Hitler's dirty work. True extremists have more in common with each other than with people who fall in the political mainstream.
You may want to do some more research. That’s like the modem Republican Party calling itself the party of Lincoln while many in the party fly the stars and bars.
Antifacists would carry out a fascists will?!
Bannon is far-right and if given the chance he will do anything.
I don't need to do any more research. While liberals attack people like Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole, groups like BLM and Antifa are violently attacking living, breathing people for their political beliefs and liberals generally either applaud those efforts or decline to criticize them. If Democrats opposed actual violence as fervently as they attack opposing political free speech, maybe the violent crime rates in areas governed by liberals for decades could be brought under control.
Hoot, you know Bannon is a bad guy and has no business around our govt. or our leaders. Bannon’s hate speech and seditionist tone has fueled violence all over our nation including Jan 6th.
funny, you mention the violent BLM and Antifa. Have you seen who is being charged with the violent crimes from those riots? It’s not who YOU think it is. I’m sure these guys have acted on Bannon’s metaphors and hyperbole.
maybe one day Bannon will get what Alex Jones is getting for his incendiary lies.
(10-05-2021, 12:28 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 12:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 11:40 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:30 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2021, 08:01 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Technically, Hitler was a fascist. Fascism and socialism are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Totalitarians are evil people and there really is no difference in the tactics and motivations of totalitarian dictators, whether you want to describe them as being on the far right or the far left. I understand that modern socialists like to paint all extremists as being on the far right, but groups like Antifa would have felt right at home carrying out Hitler's dirty work. True extremists have more in common with each other than with people who fall in the political mainstream.
You may want to do some more research. That’s like the modem Republican Party calling itself the party of Lincoln while many in the party fly the stars and bars.
Antifacists would carry out a fascists will?!
Bannon is far-right and if given the chance he will do anything.
I don't need to do any more research. While liberals attack people like Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole, groups like BLM and Antifa are violently attacking living, breathing people for their political beliefs and liberals generally either applaud those efforts or decline to criticize them. If Democrats opposed actual violence as fervently as they attack opposing political free speech, maybe the violent crime rates in areas governed by liberals for decades could be brought under control.
Hoot, you know Bannon is a bad guy and has no business around our govt. or our leaders. Bannon’s hate speech and seditionist tone has fueled violence all over our nation including Jan 6th.
funny, you mention the violent BLM and Antifa. Have you seen who is being charged with the violent crimes from those riots? It’s not who YOU think it is. I’m sure these guys have acted on Bannon’s metaphors and hyperbole.
maybe one day Bannon will get what Alex Jones is getting for his incendiary lies.
How many murders and assaults does Bannon have to his credit? How many diners has he attempted to intimidate into chanting and showing support for his political positions? Just a wild guess, but I am going to say that he is not guilty of any violent behavior.
Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
(10-05-2021, 02:37 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
Hitler fomented hatred for the Jew who had lived honorably and peacefully among the German people for Centuries. The Jew was to by commandment, keep the Jewish race pure by not intermarrying among the Gentile nations. But why would Hitler focus such animosity on the Jew?
God has said the Jew are His "chosen people." Now I will readily admit they did not obey God very well and His vengeance was visited upon them for their disobedience. In fact prior to the Lord's crucifixion as those Jews of Jesus' day stood in front of Pilate the Roman Governor, he gave them a choice. Should he release Jesus or Barabbas? They said "give us Barabbas. And let Jesus' blood be upon our heads and the heads of our children." Pretty chilling when one considers the the Jew's fate from that day forward.
Their country was decimated and ceased to exist. The Jewish culture and people were dispersed across the globe. And they suffered the Holocaust. And yet God's promise to Abraham was as follows. "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee." Hitler's was a merciless curse upon the Jew. The America led Allies defeated Germany and Japan as history shows, against all odds.
It is my firm belief that God allowed America to prevail in WW2 because of the Abrahamic Covenant. We blessed the nation Israel by delivering (with God's help) the Jew from certain extinction by defeating the intentions of Hitler. God's blessings upon this land following WW2 made the US one of the greatest nations and people, the world has ever seen.
But America have turned their backs on God and our culture have paid the price. Additionally. America may be sharing a psychological parallel with the Germany of Hitler's day. Just as the Jew were excoriated as being lowlife undesireables in the people of Germany's midst; conservatives are being cast as undesireables or a basket of deplorables if you will, in our day. The cancel culture will go after absolutely anybody who disagrees with them. Dave Portnoy, who has personally (not with your tax dollars) helped hundreds of businesses stay afloat during the pandemic, is one of their targets.
(10-05-2021, 02:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:37 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@
TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
(10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:37 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
(10-05-2021, 08:44 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:37 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry about at all.
(10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:44 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:37 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Another fallacy… by that logic some of the worst actors in the world would be innocent i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, Putins.
Trump fired the guy. That’s all you really need to acknowledge if you don’t want accept that Bannon is an awful person.
What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
(10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
The history lesson is totally accurate. As per usual, your mischaracterization which states that I compared Dem's assaults upon the character of conservatives to the level of Hitler's persecution of the Jew is totally false. It is however the same tactic. Don't try and act like calling all Trump supporters members of a cult, which you have been guilty of repeatedly, is not worthy of contempt.
Is it just me or did Outsider bring up the Hitler comparisons? My analogy is correct. I.E. see the many examples of assault upon Trump Political Rally goers. There are hundreds to choose from.
(10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:44 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 02:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]What would it take for you to acknowledge that Bannon has never advocated or incited violent acts and that Democrat groups BLM and Antifa are helping fuel the current spike in violent crimes? You should stop playing language cop and stand with me against real violence and for real police officers to deal with the problem.
So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
(10-06-2021, 08:32 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:44 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]So you haven’t seen the news that many of the riots violent actions were instigated by outside right wing agitators?
Just the other day a boogaloo boy admitted he travelled from San Antonio to Minn. during the George Floyd protests to participate in a riot. He shot 13 times into a police dept.
come to find out there are Several examples just like this.
why are you trying to distract off topic with that conservative red meat? Stand with me with police officers?
which officers do you stand with? Capitol police officers?
back on topic.
Bannon talks in metaphors when he doesn’t have power. When he gets power those will not be metaphors anymore and this will not be a democracy anymore.
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
Read your own quote. "
Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults..." I specifically said that the violent crime rate has risen. Now, you have stated the same thing that I said and are claiming that I need to do a little research. I am glad to see you doing some of your own research, even if you do not understand what you are reading and typing.
(10-06-2021, 09:21 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:32 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:44 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]I have stayed on topic. Bannon did not advocate violence and you refuse to condemn the violence of BLM and Antifa. Crime rates are skyrocketing around the country - mostly in large cities governed by Democrats. What is the reaction of liberals like you? Attack Steve Bannon for using metaphors and hyperbole.
start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
Read your own quote. "Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults..." I specifically said that the violent crime rate has risen. Now, you have stated the same thing that I said and are claiming that I need to do a little research. I am glad to see you doing some of your own research, even if you do not understand what you are reading and typing.
Hoot, you implied it was somehow the fault of this administration and as if it is still happening even as 2021 has shown a decrease.
Try to keep up with your own disingenuous accusations. Well, they are somebody’s maybe not yours.
(10-05-2021, 10:25 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
The history lesson is totally accurate. As per usual, your mischaracterization which states that I compared Dem's assaults upon the character of conservatives to the level of Hitler's persecution of the Jew is totally false. It is however the same tactic. Don't try and act like calling all Trump supporters members of a cult, which you have been guilty of repeatedly, is not worthy of contempt.
Is it just me or did Outsider bring up the Hitler comparisons? My analogy is correct. I.E. see the many examples of assault upon Trump Political Rally goers. There are hundreds to choose from.
I just said I wasn’t copying it. No disputing.
so calling Trump supporters a “cult”is on the same plane as Genocide?
oh boy… you are staying with the persecution fantasy.
only one Hitler and Trump rally goer connection comes to mind: 1923 and 2020 Putsch.
(10-06-2021, 09:34 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 09:21 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:32 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
Read your own quote. "Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults..." I specifically said that the violent crime rate has risen. Now, you have stated the same thing that I said and are claiming that I need to do a little research. I am glad to see you doing some of your own research, even if you do not understand what you are reading and typing.
Hoot, you implied it was somehow the fault of this administration and as if it is still happening even as 2021 has shown a decrease.
Try to keep up with your own disingenuous accusations. Well, they are somebody’s maybe not yours.
(10-05-2021, 10:25 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
The history lesson is totally accurate. As per usual, your mischaracterization which states that I compared Dem's assaults upon the character of conservatives to the level of Hitler's persecution of the Jew is totally false. It is however the same tactic. Don't try and act like calling all Trump supporters members of a cult, which you have been guilty of repeatedly, is not worthy of contempt.
Is it just me or did Outsider bring up the Hitler comparisons? My analogy is correct. I.E. see the many examples of assault upon Trump Political Rally goers. There are hundreds to choose from.
I just said I wasn’t copying it. No disputing.
so calling Trump supporters a “cult”is on the same plane as Genocide?
oh boy… you are staying with the persecution fantasy.
only one Hitler and Trump rally goer connection comes to mind: 1923 and 2020 Putsch.
What you posted had nothing to do with 2021 violent crime stats. Violent crime is up year over year from 2021. Even if it wasn't, Democrats were cheering on violent criminals in 2020 and the current Democrat Vice President was promoting a bail fund to get violent protesters back on the street.
^^
yep. I posted that violent crime has already started to dip.
Really? Hoot, the violent criminals in the Floyd protests have proven to be right wing agitators. What news do you follow? There is a reason Faux News and others aren’t covering that stuff anymore; the violent crimes weren’t committed by the protestors.
Quote:
Violent Crime Up, Other Offenses Down in 2021
Homicide rates in major U.S. cities in the first half of 2021 remained above the levels of recent years, the think tank Council on Criminal Justice said in an update of earlier reports. Homicides jumped 16 percent compared with the first half of 2020, an increase of 259, and by 42 percent from the first half of 2019, up by 548. The rate of increase slowed from the first to the second quarter of 2021. The homicide rate still was much below that of the early 1990s, 15 deaths per 100,000 residents compared 28 murders per 100,000 in 1993.
The report was based on a survey of 29 major cities, ranging from Norfolk, Va.,population 245,000, to Los Angeles, popuation 3.97 million.
Our conclusions have not changed, said authors criminologist Richard Rosenfeld of the University of Missouri St. Louis an Ernesto Lopez: "As the pandemic subsides, long-lasting reductions in violence and crime will require pursuing evidence-based crime-control strategies and enacting long-needed reforms to policing."
Aggravated and gun assault rates were higher in the first half of 2021 than in 2020. Aggravated assault rates increased nine percent while gun assault rates went up five percent. Motor vehicle theft rates were 21 percent higher.
As I said, violent crimes are up this year over 2020.
Quote:
Violent Crime Up, Other Offenses Down in 2021
Homicide rates in major U.S. cities in the first half of 2021 remained above the levels of recent years, the think tank Council on Criminal Justice said in an update of earlier reports. Homicides jumped 16 percent compared with the first half of 2020, an increase of 259, and by 42 percent from the first half of 2019, up by 548. The rate of increase slowed from the first to the second quarter of 2021. The homicide rate still was much below that of the early 1990s, 15 deaths per 100,000 residents compared 28 murders per 100,000 in 1993.
The report was based on a survey of 29 major cities, ranging from Norfolk, Va.,population 245,000, to Los Angeles, popuation 3.97 million.
Our conclusions have not changed, said authors criminologist Richard Rosenfeld of the University of Missouri St. Louis an Ernesto Lopez: "As the pandemic subsides, long-lasting reductions in violence and crime will require pursuing evidence-based crime-control strategies and enacting long-needed reforms to policing."
Aggravated and gun assault rates were higher in the first half of 2021 than in 2020. Aggravated assault rates increased nine percent while gun assault rates went up five percent. Motor vehicle theft rates were 21 percent higher.
(10-06-2021, 09:34 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 09:21 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:32 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:31 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]start a thread or bring the BLM/ antifa one back to life.
I don’t support riots, attacking police officers, or destruction of property by anyone.
how about you, Hoot?
What crime rates? The 2020 crime rates? 2021 rates out yet?
I wish Joe Biden would have done something about those 2020 crime rates !!!
Steve doubled down yesterday. Now it’s 20k shock troops. Sounds like he keeps using this hyperbolic metaphor of overthrowing the govt. nothing to worry
Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
Read your own quote. "Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults..." I specifically said that the violent crime rate has risen. Now, you have stated the same thing that I said and are claiming that I need to do a little research. I am glad to see you doing some of your own research, even if you do not understand what you are reading and typing.
Hoot, you implied it was somehow the fault of this administration and as if it is still happening even as 2021 has shown a decrease.
Try to keep up with your own disingenuous accusations. Well, they are somebody’s maybe not yours.
(10-05-2021, 10:25 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
The history lesson is totally accurate. As per usual, your mischaracterization which states that I compared Dem's assaults upon the character of conservatives to the level of Hitler's persecution of the Jew is totally false. It is however the same tactic. Don't try and act like calling all Trump supporters members of a cult, which you have been guilty of repeatedly, is not worthy of contempt.
Is it just me or did Outsider bring up the Hitler comparisons? My analogy is correct. I.E. see the many examples of assault upon Trump Political Rally goers. There are hundreds to choose from.
I just said I wasn’t copying it. No disputing.
so calling Trump supporters a “cult”is on the same plane as Genocide?
oh boy… you are staying with the persecution fantasy.
only one Hitler and Trump rally goer connection comes to mind: 1923 and 2020 Putsch.
In a manner of speaking, yes. When you accuse conservatives of being mass cultists, that is an attempt to make regular hard working folks, (many of them unlike you BTW, having served in the US Armed Services), look like mindless idiots whose opinions are therefore to be rejected out of hand. It is character assassination pure and simple, meant to destroy the credibility of your political opponents. And you are guilty of doing that very thing continually.
Further, the tactic has nearly gotten to the nuclear stage on the national scene where it was just reported this morning, that the Biden DOJ is sending FBI agents to harass parents making statements against undesirable school board policy; labeling them domestic terrorists. Bottom line--- nobody will listen to a cultist, and nobody will listen to a domestic terrorist. You should be proud of yourself Cardfan, for displaying such patriotism.
(10-06-2021, 11:33 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, violent crimes are up this year over 2020.
Quote:
Violent Crime Up, Other Offenses Down in 2021
Homicide rates in major U.S. cities in the first half of 2021 remained above the levels of recent years, the think tank Council on Criminal Justice said in an update of earlier reports. Homicides jumped 16 percent compared with the first half of 2020, an increase of 259, and by 42 percent from the first half of 2019, up by 548. The rate of increase slowed from the first to the second quarter of 2021. The homicide rate still was much below that of the early 1990s, 15 deaths per 100,000 residents compared 28 murders per 100,000 in 1993.
The report was based on a survey of 29 major cities, ranging from Norfolk, Va.,population 245,000, to Los Angeles, popuation 3.97 million.
Our conclusions have not changed, said authors criminologist Richard Rosenfeld of the University of Missouri St. Louis an Ernesto Lopez: "As the pandemic subsides, long-lasting reductions in violence and crime will require pursuing evidence-based crime-control strategies and enacting long-needed reforms to policing."
Aggravated and gun assault rates were higher in the first half of 2021 than in 2020. Aggravated assault rates increased nine percent while gun assault rates went up five percent. Motor vehicle theft rates were 21 percent higher.
“The rate of increase slowed from the first to the second quarter of 2021. The homicide rate still was much below that of the early 1990s, 15 deaths per 100,000 residents compared 28 murders per 100,000 in 1993.”
Hoot, you are not proving your case that America is more violent under Biden.
(10-06-2021, 11:53 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 09:34 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 09:21 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2021, 08:32 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 09:42 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]Violent crime is way up over 2020 and I am pretty sure that Steve Bannon is not behind any of those crimes. When you defend Antifa by parroting the propaganda that they are anti-Fascist, you are supporting their criminal organization.
When you repeat talking points made by those fellas you listen to, Hoot. You may want to do a little research so they don’t make you look silly. Murder rates have already started to dip below last year rates.
“A historic rise in homicides in 2020—and continued bloodshed in 2021—has incited fears that after years of plummeting crime rates, the U.S. could be headed back to the bad old days, when a crime wave gripped the country from the 1970s to the 1990s.
But the FBI’s “Uniform Crime Report” for 2020, released Monday, suggests something stranger: Perhaps America is in the midst of what is specifically a violence wave, not a broad crime wave. Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults, property crime continued a years-long decline.“
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...ve/620234/
I guarantee Ole Steve had his hand in at least one violent uprising of domestic terrorists attempting to usurp our established government.
Read your own quote. "Even as violent crime rose, led by significant jumps in murders and aggravated assaults..." I specifically said that the violent crime rate has risen. Now, you have stated the same thing that I said and are claiming that I need to do a little research. I am glad to see you doing some of your own research, even if you do not understand what you are reading and typing.
Hoot, you implied it was somehow the fault of this administration and as if it is still happening even as 2021 has shown a decrease.
Try to keep up with your own disingenuous accusations. Well, they are somebody’s maybe not yours.
(10-05-2021, 10:25 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2021, 08:26 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]
@TheRealThing
I am not copying that History lesson.
But how can you compare a group that has never been persecuted and still isn’t being persecuted claim persecution equal the attempted genocide of Jews?
this persecution fantasy is utterly ridiculous.
The history lesson is totally accurate. As per usual, your mischaracterization which states that I compared Dem's assaults upon the character of conservatives to the level of Hitler's persecution of the Jew is totally false. It is however the same tactic. Don't try and act like calling all Trump supporters members of a cult, which you have been guilty of repeatedly, is not worthy of contempt.
Is it just me or did Outsider bring up the Hitler comparisons? My analogy is correct. I.E. see the many examples of assault upon Trump Political Rally goers. There are hundreds to choose from.
I just said I wasn’t copying it. No disputing.
so calling Trump supporters a “cult”is on the same plane as Genocide?
oh boy… you are staying with the persecution fantasy.
only one Hitler and Trump rally goer connection comes to mind: 1923 and 2020 Putsch.
In a manner of speaking, yes. When you accuse conservatives of being mass cultists, that is an attempt to make regular hard working folks, (many of them unlike you BTW, having served in the US Armed Services), look like mindless idiots whose opinions are therefore to be rejected out of hand. It is character assassination pure and simple, meant to destroy the credibility of your political opponents. And you are guilty of doing that very thing continually.
Further, the tactic has nearly gotten to the nuclear stage on the national scene where it was just reported this morning, that the Biden DOJ is sending FBI agents to harass parents making statements against undesirable school board policy; labeling them domestic terrorists. Bottom line--- nobody will listen to a cultist, and nobody will listen to a domestic terrorist. You should be proud of yourself Cardfan, for displaying such patriotism.
Character assassination = genocide
my gosh… you are out of touch.
TRT, you do realize that you choose your politics. You can vote anyway you want when the curtain closes, but when you advertise it people can have opinions just as you can. You are not being persecuted. It’s not close to the same.
I don’t have another word for people that follow around a loser always talking about how they won…well maybe…Tennessee Vols fans.
I haven’t seen that story, BUT I assume it would have something to do with the folks who have been threatening a school board leaders and education professionals. That is against the law even if you don’t like what they decide.