(01-11-2021, 10:05 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]THE NEW YORK POST
Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel---
"Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down."
https://nypost.com/2021/01/10/big-techs-...ll-cartel/
It's a private business play by there rules or get left out
TRT you do know your Dear Leader could talk to the American People with the networks
That's usually how a normal and stable president does
(01-11-2021, 10:05 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]THE NEW YORK POST
Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel---
"Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down."
https://nypost.com/2021/01/10/big-techs-...ll-cartel/
The liberals' assault on the First Amendment go way beyond Parler. Big Tech and their liberal allies in Congress are determined to silence all dissent from conservatives. There is nothing to worry about. This kind of thing happens in the early stages of all totalitarian governments.
Think about the fact that the Communist Party of China and Iranian mullahs are able to freely tweet on Twitter but Twitter has removed U.S. President Donald Trump's account. That illustrates the extent to which anti-patriot fervor of the Democrat Party has permeated our federal government and their allies in Silicon Valley.
vector#1
TRT you do know your Dear Leader could talk to the American People with the networks
That's usually how a normal and stable president does
Parler is a billion plus dollar industry to which the fortunes of many Americans are tied. Besides the existential threat to free speech, the tech giant's collaboration to censor conservatives has ruinous financial implications for all those associated with Parler. Not to mention that those who use and frequent Parler would prefer not to have the impossibly shallow 'left' define reality for them.
I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need." Free minded folk however, require life to be a bit more inspiring. But you did hit on the insidious nature of the progressive mania which has usurped the heart and soul of the Democrat Party. Incredibly many people who claim to be Democrats aren't familiar enough with the history of the Party to even understand the vastness of the departure from liberalism that progressives have perpetrated against them.
I rejected the idea that Democrats are synonymous with the union highroad long ago. I saw through that hypocrisy, and that of the media during the Reagan Era. So frankly vector, though your Republican bad, Democrat good argument is the stuff of mummified mushrooms, I fully expect you not to waiver. Carry on.
(01-11-2021, 11:40 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 10:05 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]THE NEW YORK POST
Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel---
"Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down."
https://nypost.com/2021/01/10/big-techs-...ll-cartel/
The liberals' assault on the First Amendment go way beyond Parler. Big Tech and their liberal allies in Congress are determined to silence all dissent from conservatives. There is nothing to worry about. This kind of thing happens in the early stages of all totalitarian governments.
Think about the fact that the Communist Party of China and Iranian mullahs are able to freely tweet on Twitter but Twitter has removed U.S. President Donald Trump's account. That illustrates the extent to which anti-patriot fervor of the Democrat Party has permeated our federal government and their allies in Silicon Valley.
Did China or Iran storm the Capitol ?
(01-11-2021, 11:55 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]vector#1
TRT you do know your Dear Leader could talk to the American People with the networks
That's usually how a normal and stable president does
Parler is a billion plus dollar industry to which the fortunes of many Americans are tied. Besides the existential threat to free speech, the tech giant's collaboration to censor conservatives has ruinous financial implications for all those associated with Parler. Not to mention that those who use and frequent Parler would prefer not to have the impossibly shallow 'left' define reality for them.
I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need." Free minded folk however, require life to be a bit more inspiring. But you did hit on the insidious nature of the progressive mania which has usurped the heart and soul of the Democrat Party. Incredibly many people who claim to be Democrats aren't familiar enough with the history of the Party to even understand the vastness of the departure from liberalism that progressives have perpetrated against them.
I rejected the idea that Democrats are synonymous with the union highroad long ago. I saw through that hypocrisy, and that of the media during the Reagan Era. So frankly vector, though your Republican bad, Democrat good argument is the stuff of mummified mushrooms, I fully expect you not to waiver. Carry on.
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I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need."
Life under your party has been a disaster that's for sure
Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
(01-11-2021, 12:12 PM)vector#1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 11:40 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 10:05 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]THE NEW YORK POST
Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel---
"Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down."
https://nypost.com/2021/01/10/big-techs-...ll-cartel/
The liberals' assault on the First Amendment go way beyond Parler. Big Tech and their liberal allies in Congress are determined to silence all dissent from conservatives. There is nothing to worry about. This kind of thing happens in the early stages of all totalitarian governments.
Think about the fact that the Communist Party of China and Iranian mullahs are able to freely tweet on Twitter but Twitter has removed U.S. President Donald Trump's account. That illustrates the extent to which anti-patriot fervor of the Democrat Party has permeated our federal government and their allies in Silicon Valley.
Did China or Iran storm the Capitol ?
(01-11-2021, 11:55 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]vector#1
TRT you do know your Dear Leader could talk to the American People with the networks
That's usually how a normal and stable president does
Parler is a billion plus dollar industry to which the fortunes of many Americans are tied. Besides the existential threat to free speech, the tech giant's collaboration to censor conservatives has ruinous financial implications for all those associated with Parler. Not to mention that those who use and frequent Parler would prefer not to have the impossibly shallow 'left' define reality for them.
I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need." Free minded folk however, require life to be a bit more inspiring. But you did hit on the insidious nature of the progressive mania which has usurped the heart and soul of the Democrat Party. Incredibly many people who claim to be Democrats aren't familiar enough with the history of the Party to even understand the vastness of the departure from liberalism that progressives have perpetrated against them.
I rejected the idea that Democrats are synonymous with the union highroad long ago. I saw through that hypocrisy, and that of the media during the Reagan Era. So frankly vector, though your Republican bad, Democrat good argument is the stuff of mummified mushrooms, I fully expect you not to waiver. Carry on.
"I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need."
Life under your party has been a disaster that's for sure
No, China and Iran have not physically attacked the Capitol building yet, and the stupidity of that question is self evident. All China has done is bribe American politicians, including the President-elect, stolen billions of dollars worth of intellectual property, and threatened this country and its allies across the world. Iran has done nothing but launch missiles aimed at American troops recently.
Defending China and Iran and making the implication that those governments are less of a threat to this nation should make you the recipient of a visit from the Secret Service. In the new administration, it may earn you some kind of citizenship award.
Hooter and TRT sounds like they are trying to tell a private business what to do my how things have flipped
(01-11-2021, 12:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:12 PM)vector#1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 11:40 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 10:05 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]THE NEW YORK POST
Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel---
"Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down."
https://nypost.com/2021/01/10/big-techs-...ll-cartel/
The liberals' assault on the First Amendment go way beyond Parler. Big Tech and their liberal allies in Congress are determined to silence all dissent from conservatives. There is nothing to worry about. This kind of thing happens in the early stages of all totalitarian governments.
Think about the fact that the Communist Party of China and Iranian mullahs are able to freely tweet on Twitter but Twitter has removed U.S. President Donald Trump's account. That illustrates the extent to which anti-patriot fervor of the Democrat Party has permeated our federal government and their allies in Silicon Valley.
Did China or Iran storm the Capitol ?
(01-11-2021, 11:55 AM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]vector#1
TRT you do know your Dear Leader could talk to the American People with the networks
That's usually how a normal and stable president does
Parler is a billion plus dollar industry to which the fortunes of many Americans are tied. Besides the existential threat to free speech, the tech giant's collaboration to censor conservatives has ruinous financial implications for all those associated with Parler. Not to mention that those who use and frequent Parler would prefer not to have the impossibly shallow 'left' define reality for them.
I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need." Free minded folk however, require life to be a bit more inspiring. But you did hit on the insidious nature of the progressive mania which has usurped the heart and soul of the Democrat Party. Incredibly many people who claim to be Democrats aren't familiar enough with the history of the Party to even understand the vastness of the departure from liberalism that progressives have perpetrated against them.
I rejected the idea that Democrats are synonymous with the union highroad long ago. I saw through that hypocrisy, and that of the media during the Reagan Era. So frankly vector, though your Republican bad, Democrat good argument is the stuff of mummified mushrooms, I fully expect you not to waiver. Carry on.
"I mean, i get it. For you, life aboard a yellow submarine under the leadership of one party of lunatics "is all you need."
Life under your party has been a disaster that's for sure
No, China and Iran have not physically attacked the Capitol building yet, and the stupidity of that question is self evident. All China has done is bribe American politicians, including the President-elect, stolen billions of dollars worth of intellectual property, and threatened this country and its allies across the world. Iran has done nothing but launch missiles aimed at American troops recently.
Defending China and Iran and making the implication that those governments are less of a threat to this nation should make you the recipient of a visit from the Secret Service. In the new administration, it may earn you some kind of citizenship award.
Have any proof except more lies you have seen what that leads to jan. 6th 2021
You do know your Dear Leader is still president why hasn't he done to stop the missiles aimed at american troops sounds like treason to me
I did not defend China or Iran your Flock members are getting visits from the secret service and other law enforcement agencies by the way have they visited you yet ?
“Hooter and TRT sounds like they are trying to tell a private business what to do my how things have flipped”
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vector#1
Love them some socialism when it benefits them.
(01-11-2021, 12:42 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]“Hooter and TRT sounds like they are trying to tell a private business what to do my how things have flipped”
@vector#1
Love them some socialism when it benefits them.
Big Tech has been exempted from potential liability from lawsuits in exchange for providing the electronic equivalent of a public forum. They are violating the terms of that deal. They are also colluding to act as a cartel to destroy competition like Parler, which was providing a non-censored alternative to conservatives who have had their other social media accounts suspended or banned by the Big Tech companies that enjoy special protection.
I am not surprised to see you supporting the suppression of free speech rights of conservatives. You are supporting totalitarian tactics. You really should think beyond your cheerleading for the persecution of the current president. Constitutional rights exist for all Americans but a small minority is working to deprive all of us of those rights, including you. At some point, somebody that you know will be victimized by the actions of the radical left, even if your hate speech is approved by the the incoming regime.
Question for Hoot and TRT did you not argue about the bakery that did not want to serve a homosexual couple because of their own religious beliefs?
I personally struggle with this idea. I think anything open to the public all should be served.
The court ruled there is a limit to the idea of free speech in 1938. I can not think of the case but basically it said that you can not say fire in a theater, it causes harm to the general public.
After the events on Wednesday, social media companies this was over the line.
Then comes the idea whataboutism like the riots in the summer was there a difference? Other then being the Capital and trying to overthrow an election, which are two big things by the way. So let's let idea what there.
So does a private company have to serve others that it might have to disagree with? The answer is yes or it seems that way to me or we would still have diners that would not be open to African Americans.
So now they have to serve.
Can I go into said diner and get drunk and make it unpleasant for everyone else, or does the owner have the right to throw me out. Yes, I believe he does.
Now apply same standard to all social media. That is my take.
(01-11-2021, 01:09 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:42 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]“Hooter and TRT sounds like they are trying to tell a private business what to do my how things have flipped”
@vector#1
Love them some socialism when it benefits them.
Big Tech has been exempted from potential liability from lawsuits in exchange for providing the electronic equivalent of a public forum. They are violating the terms of that deal. They are also colluding to act as a cartel to destroy competition like Parler, which was providing a non-censored alternative to conservatives who have had their other social media accounts suspended or banned by the Big Tech companies that enjoy special protection.
I am not surprised to see you supporting the suppression of free speech rights of conservatives. You are supporting totalitarian tactics. You really should think beyond your cheerleading for the persecution of the current president. Constitutional rights exist for all Americans but a small minority is working to deprive all of us of those rights, including you. At some point, somebody that you know will be victimized by the actions of the radical left, even if your hate speech is approved by the the incoming regime.
Once again you are wrong they are exempt from liability but they have the right to run there business as they see fit
47 U.S. Code § 230 - Protection for private blocking and screening of offensive material | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)
But my personal opinion they should be held liable too much disinformation anymore
This all free market capitalism.
Last I checked you do not have to divulge your political affiliations to use social media.
But this is all a diversion for social media companies addressing the hate speech and disinformation they have been tolerating for years. Last Wednesday demonstrated the result of unchecked social media. If you remember they had to scrub ISIS: pretty much the same thing.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/talk...n-results/
Not just social media. Can’t just lie uncontrollably. Many of these conservatives are devoid of fact.
(01-11-2021, 01:18 PM)mr.fundamental Wrote: [ -> ]Question for Hoot and TRT did you not argue about the bakery that did not want to serve a homosexual couple because of their own religious beliefs?
I personally struggle with this idea. I think anything open to the public all should be served.
The court ruled there is a limit to the idea of free speech in 1938. I can not think of the case but basically it said that you can not say fire in a theater, it causes harm to the general public.
After the events on Wednesday, social media companies this was over the line.
Then comes the idea whataboutism like the riots in the summer was there a difference? Other then being the Capital and trying to overthrow an election, which are two big things by the way. So let's let idea what there.
So does a private company have to serve others that it might have to disagree with? The answer is yes or it seems that way to me or we would still have diners that would not be open to African Americans.
So now they have to serve.
Can I go into said diner and get drunk and make it unpleasant for everyone else, or does the owner have the right to throw me out. Yes, I believe he does.
Now apply same standard to all social media. That is my take.
Your analogy is false and your take is your own, but I disagree. A gay couple denied a wedding cake by a single Christian baker based on religious principles has other options available because bakeries are generally small businesses and are fairly common in most areas of the country. Parler has millions of subscriptions that require numerous servers. Most cloud service providers do not have the idle capacity that would allow Parler to easily move its data to another server farm. Three companies dominate the cloud server hosting business, AWS (Amazon, which was Parler's host), Azure (Microsoft), and Google. All three companies have shown a liberal bias and all are susceptible to pressure by liberal Democrats, especially considering that they will soon have a monopoly on federal power.
When large companies conspire to oppress millions of American citizens to curry favor with a single political party, RICO and anti-trust investigations should quickly follow but the Silicon Valley tech companies are acting like outlaws that have just chased the sheriff out of town. This is exactly why President Trump and conservatives worked to repeal Section 230 exemptions. Big Data is abusing the invaluable market advantage that the federal government has given it.
Democrats use to object to monopolistic behavior by big multi-national corporations. I guess it's okay as long as Trump's ox is being gored.
(01-11-2021, 02:03 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 01:18 PM)mr.fundamental Wrote: [ -> ]Question for Hoot and TRT did you not argue about the bakery that did not want to serve a homosexual couple because of their own religious beliefs?
I personally struggle with this idea. I think anything open to the public all should be served.
The court ruled there is a limit to the idea of free speech in 1938. I can not think of the case but basically it said that you can not say fire in a theater, it causes harm to the general public.
After the events on Wednesday, social media companies this was over the line.
Then comes the idea whataboutism like the riots in the summer was there a difference? Other then being the Capital and trying to overthrow an election, which are two big things by the way. So let's let idea what there.
So does a private company have to serve others that it might have to disagree with? The answer is yes or it seems that way to me or we would still have diners that would not be open to African Americans.
So now they have to serve.
Can I go into said diner and get drunk and make it unpleasant for everyone else, or does the owner have the right to throw me out. Yes, I believe he does.
Now apply same standard to all social media. That is my take.
Your analogy is false and your take is your own, but I disagree. A gay couple denied a wedding cake by a single Christian baker based on religious principles has other options available because bakeries are generally small businesses and are fairly common in most areas of the country. Parler has millions of subscriptions that require numerous servers. Most cloud service providers do not have the idle capacity that would allow Parler to easily move its data to another server farm. Three companies dominate the cloud server hosting business, AWS (Amazon, which was Parler's host), Azure (Microsoft), and Google. All three companies have shown a liberal bias and all are susceptible to pressure by liberal Democrats, especially considering that they will soon have a monopoly on federal power.
When large companies conspire to oppress millions of American citizens to curry favor with a single political party, RICO and anti-trust investigations should quickly follow but the Silicon Valley tech companies are acting like outlaws that have just chased the sheriff out of town. This is exactly why President Trump and conservatives worked to repeal Section 230 exemptions. Big Data is abusing the invaluable market advantage that the federal government has given it.
Democrats use to object to monopolistic behavior by big multi-national corporations. I guess it's okay as long as Trump's ox is being gored.
Well maybe your Dear Leader needs to start his own server business he's got the money or at least he claims it
Your Dear Leader wants to do away with section 230 so he can't be policed on what he says just throw anything out there and of course they will believe we have now seen the results of that Jan. 6th 2021
The Dear Leader and his enabler's in congress have lied to his flock for 2 months about election yet without showing any proof it's got to stop
(01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
(01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
I suggested that moderation was needed, admitted that I have repeatedly broken the rules by responding to insults in kind, and also volunteered to be the first member suspended.
Without some enforcement of the rules, forums like this quickly deteriorate to the point where they are not worth the time to post. The name calling, the spamming with repetitive posts not related to the thread topic - it all leads to lower quality debate and it ultimately leads to less activity. In my 11 years as a member here, the quality of posts has never been lower and this was the first time that I resorted to complaining to the moderators.
I will not wait another 11 years before complaining again if nothing changes. Actually, if nothing changes, I will probably just look for better political discussion elsewhere.
mr.fundamentalQuestion for Hoot and TRT did you not argue about the bakery that did not want to serve a homosexual couple because of their own religious beliefs?
I personally struggle with this idea. I think anything open to the public all should be served.
The court ruled there is a limit to the idea of free speech in 1938. I can not think of the case but basically it said that you can not say fire in a theater, it causes harm to the general public.
After the events on Wednesday, social media companies this was over the line.
Then comes the idea whataboutism like the riots in the summer was there a difference? Other then being the Capital and trying to overthrow an election, which are two big things by the way. So let's let idea what there.
So does a private company have to serve others that it might have to disagree with? The answer is yes or it seems that way to me or we would still have diners that would not be open to African Americans.
So now they have to serve.
Can I go into said diner and get drunk and make it unpleasant for everyone else, or does the owner have the right to throw me out. Yes, I believe he does.
Now apply same standard to all social media. That is my take.
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Most of what you say in your posts tends to be rendered rhetorical by the way you think.
But since you cited the food industry and social media for analogy I'll try staying with that approach. Put succinctly, social media started out as a cafeteria from which one could choose his fare, but has become a place where nuclear foodfights and vicious personal attack are as dependable as flies at a picnic. Like those innocent outdoor diners at BLM plaza who were attacked with commercial grade fireworks, no moment is innocent enough, so as not to draw vicious attack when online. The contempt is so violent and so prevalent that common folks to include Grandmothers and school teachers can be seen lining up daily at their local gun shops to purchase firearms for self defense.
While the left rampages against an innocent President 24/7, they conveniently forget about Maxine Waters fomenting the nightmare seen daily on our city streets. There is nothing novel about riots or marches or rallies being held in DC. At least this one had the notable distinction of the rally goers being responsible for their own passage to and from; and not having transportation to and from paid for by the Dems. As in the system of roads in the ancient world, ALL roads for marches and riots and civil unrest lead to Washington DC. That city is the scene of hundreds of them and as recently last June Saint John's Episcopal Church (next door to the White House was burned by BLM /Antifa thugs. No mock indignation in that case tho.
The question is not service mrtvtime, the question is that Parler and every other conservative medium, is gonna darn well pay for whatever service Apple and Google and Amazon thinks they deserve. They don't get to pick out whether they get a cake, or a tray of pastries or a piece of the American pie for that matter. They will get what Big Tech says they will get, or they will get nothing.
Social Media ought to be like a cafeteria where you take what you want and leave the rest. Not a banana republic prison camp where you get bread and water; IF you behave.
(01-11-2021, 06:36 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
That is either because you do not understand what is going on or you don't care because it is conservatives who are being victimized. Applications like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are not forums, they are communications platforms. They are benefitting from favorable treatment by the federal government and they are abusing that trust. They are actively colluding to kill competing companies at the same time they are discriminating against conservatives by treating them worse than Iranian terrorists. The Democrat Party is encouraging their criminal behavior because it provides the party with a big political advantage.
Trump showed how effective the use of social media can be for a politician until Big Tech decided to muzzle him. Now that Biden is about to be installed into the White House, Big Tech has decided to target all conservatives and the companies that support us. Tax dollars and government policies should not be used to persecute American citizens for their political beliefs. Democrats are just picking back up with what they were doing under Obama. In case you have forgotten, Obama unleased the IRS on conservative political action organizations while taking a hands off approach to liberal nonprofit organizations.
(01-11-2021, 07:08 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:36 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
That is either because you do not understand what is going on or you don't care because it is conservatives who are being victimized. Applications like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are not forums, they are communications platforms. They are benefitting from favorable treatment by the federal government and they are abusing that trust. They are actively colluding to kill competing companies at the same time they are discriminating against conservatives by treating them worse than Iranian terrorists. The Democrat Party is encouraging their criminal behavior because it provides the party with a big political advantage.
Trump showed how effective the use of social media can be for a politician until Big Tech decided to muzzle him. Now that Biden is about to be installed into the White House, Big Tech has decided to target all conservatives and the companies that support us. Tax dollars and government policies should not be used to persecute American citizens for their political beliefs. Democrats are just picking back up with what they were doing under Obama. In case you have forgotten, Obama unleased the IRS on conservative political action organizations while taking a hands off approach to liberal nonprofit organizations.
Trump proved how strong the hate is in this country through Twitter. Russian proved how you could spread disinformation and divide our nation on Facebook (FWIW, other nations are doing that too.)
Right wing zealots have demonstrated they can use social media outlets to rile up a mob to storm the US Capitol.
I understand completely what is happening. Conservatives don’t want to follow the rules. They want to push disinformation and sensationalism to win votes because their politics suck.
But they want to be exempt from the terms of service.
Hoot, Facebook was once a college kid’s method of getting girls. Don’t sell BGR short. Could be tomorrow’s Parler.
(01-11-2021, 06:56 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested that moderation was needed, admitted that I have repeatedly broken the rules by responding to insults in kind, and also volunteered to be the first member suspended.
Without some enforcement of the rules, forums like this quickly deteriorate to the point where they are not worth the time to post. The name calling, the spamming with repetitive posts not related to the thread topic - it all leads to lower quality debate and it ultimately leads to less activity. In my 11 years as a member here, the quality of posts has never been lower and this was the first time that I resorted to complaining to the moderators.
I will not wait another 11 years before complaining again if nothing changes. Actually, if nothing changes, I will probably just look for better political discussion elsewhere.
Man i agree with you Hooter there should be rules there are only 1 set of facts but on FB Twitter and other social media platforms ever body got there own set of facts and we seen the results of that on Jan. 6th 2021
They need to be liable for there content to much damage being done and if you don't play by the rules your out
(01-11-2021, 07:08 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:36 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
That is either because you do not understand what is going on or you don't care because it is conservatives who are being victimized. Applications like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are not forums, they are communications platforms. They are benefitting from favorable treatment by the federal government and they are abusing that trust. They are actively colluding to kill competing companies at the same time they are discriminating against conservatives by treating them worse than Iranian terrorists. The Democrat Party is encouraging their criminal behavior because it provides the party with a big political advantage.
Trump showed how effective the use of social media can be for a politician until Big Tech decided to muzzle him. Now that Biden is about to be installed into the White House, Big Tech has decided to target all conservatives and the companies that support us. Tax dollars and government policies should not be used to persecute American citizens for their political beliefs. Democrats are just picking back up with what they were doing under Obama. In case you have forgotten, Obama unleased the IRS on conservative political action organizations while taking a hands off approach to liberal nonprofit organizations.
Per a besieged media site owner/operator on Lou Dobbs a few minutes ago. "Twitter forced 4.5 million conservatives off their 'service platform' last Friday."
(01-11-2021, 08:22 PM)vector#1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:56 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested that moderation was needed, admitted that I have repeatedly broken the rules by responding to insults in kind, and also volunteered to be the first member suspended.
Without some enforcement of the rules, forums like this quickly deteriorate to the point where they are not worth the time to post. The name calling, the spamming with repetitive posts not related to the thread topic - it all leads to lower quality debate and it ultimately leads to less activity. In my 11 years as a member here, the quality of posts has never been lower and this was the first time that I resorted to complaining to the moderators.
I will not wait another 11 years before complaining again if nothing changes. Actually, if nothing changes, I will probably just look for better political discussion elsewhere.
Man i agree with you Hooter there should be rules there are only 1 set of facts but on FB Twitter and other social media platforms ever body got there own set of facts and we seen the results of that on Jan. 6th 2021
They need to be liable for there content to much damage being done and if you don't play by the rules your out
You have also seen the results for years and in the months leading up to the elections, when Black Lives Matter and Antifa used Twitter to organize violent protests that resulted in deaths, injuries, looting, and arson. What did Twitter do to rein in those organizations? Nothing, because they were considered helpful to Democrats' election chances.
If you believe in rules and accountability, then you should be in favor of repealing Section 230. Nothing gets a big corporation's attention more quickly than the prospect of facing a jury in a wrongful death case. But a corporation that is receiving special protection from the federal government has an obligation to treat its users fairly. That is not happening and the attempt to put Parler out of business by these bully companies is outrageous.
(01-11-2021, 08:37 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 07:08 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:36 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait...wait...
Did we not have one of the posters on this thread ask for a shutdown of threads and suspensions because it was getting too personal?
Speak all you want into thin air, but the internet is owned by someone. Got to follow the rules or head elsewhere.
Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
That is either because you do not understand what is going on or you don't care because it is conservatives who are being victimized. Applications like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are not forums, they are communications platforms. They are benefitting from favorable treatment by the federal government and they are abusing that trust. They are actively colluding to kill competing companies at the same time they are discriminating against conservatives by treating them worse than Iranian terrorists. The Democrat Party is encouraging their criminal behavior because it provides the party with a big political advantage.
Trump showed how effective the use of social media can be for a politician until Big Tech decided to muzzle him. Now that Biden is about to be installed into the White House, Big Tech has decided to target all conservatives and the companies that support us. Tax dollars and government policies should not be used to persecute American citizens for their political beliefs. Democrats are just picking back up with what they were doing under Obama. In case you have forgotten, Obama unleased the IRS on conservative political action organizations while taking a hands off approach to liberal nonprofit organizations.
Per a besieged media site owner/operator on Lou Dobbs a few minutes ago. "Twitter forced 4.5 million conservatives off their 'service platform' last Friday."
I am one of those 4.5 million. The mistake that Parler made was using Amazon's AWS to host its servers. I opened an account on Gab.com last night. The service is very slow right now and it took me a long time to sign up and get logged in.
Gab uses its own servers to host the application and they are currently building 10 new servers to handle all of the Parler users that have migrated. Aside from the slow performance, Gab looks very promising. It is not a Twitter clone and in some ways I like it better than either Twitter or Parler.
(01-11-2021, 08:38 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 08:22 PM)vector#1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:56 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested that moderation was needed, admitted that I have repeatedly broken the rules by responding to insults in kind, and also volunteered to be the first member suspended.
Without some enforcement of the rules, forums like this quickly deteriorate to the point where they are not worth the time to post. The name calling, the spamming with repetitive posts not related to the thread topic - it all leads to lower quality debate and it ultimately leads to less activity. In my 11 years as a member here, the quality of posts has never been lower and this was the first time that I resorted to complaining to the moderators.
I will not wait another 11 years before complaining again if nothing changes. Actually, if nothing changes, I will probably just look for better political discussion elsewhere.
Man i agree with you Hooter there should be rules there are only 1 set of facts but on FB Twitter and other social media platforms ever body got there own set of facts and we seen the results of that on Jan. 6th 2021
They need to be liable for there content to much damage being done and if you don't play by the rules your out
You have also seen the results for years and in the months leading up to the elections, when Black Lives Matter and Antifa used Twitter to organize violent protests that resulted in deaths, injuries, looting, and arson. What did Twitter do to rein in those organizations? Nothing, because they were considered helpful to Democrats' election chances.
If you believe in rules and accountability, then you should be in favor of repealing Section 230. Nothing gets a big corporation's attention more quickly than the prospect of facing a jury in a wrongful death case. But a corporation that is receiving special protection from the federal government has an obligation to treat its users fairly. That is not happening and the attempt to put Parler out of business by these bully companies is outrageous.
If it makes Social Media companies liable for there content like TV and Newspapers then yes i think the content should be screened before released but wouldn't that put the Dear Leader in a hole or in other word be truthful yes i would be all for it too many lies people are too gullible
(01-11-2021, 08:43 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 08:37 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 07:08 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:36 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 06:23 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: [ -> ]Oh no, you did not pop your head up in a moment of lucidity, as if from a pack of rabid dogs on the tear to chastise me? Feel like you need to protect vector now do you?
I know the work a day world of the union member and as such, vector and I share something you very likely don't understand. If I did feel I needed to make allusion to some topic with you, I would obviously go the soap opera route. Past that, don't make veiled insinuations toward me about shutting down threads or the like. I'll let Hoot speak for himself to that end.
What tired trope...
Democrat = unemployed. Thankfully I’ve been able to keep my job in this Trump Economy many on both sides haven’t been so lucky.
I find it comical the rules of one board must be followed, but others are 1st Amendment violation on another.
That is either because you do not understand what is going on or you don't care because it is conservatives who are being victimized. Applications like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are not forums, they are communications platforms. They are benefitting from favorable treatment by the federal government and they are abusing that trust. They are actively colluding to kill competing companies at the same time they are discriminating against conservatives by treating them worse than Iranian terrorists. The Democrat Party is encouraging their criminal behavior because it provides the party with a big political advantage.
Trump showed how effective the use of social media can be for a politician until Big Tech decided to muzzle him. Now that Biden is about to be installed into the White House, Big Tech has decided to target all conservatives and the companies that support us. Tax dollars and government policies should not be used to persecute American citizens for their political beliefs. Democrats are just picking back up with what they were doing under Obama. In case you have forgotten, Obama unleased the IRS on conservative political action organizations while taking a hands off approach to liberal nonprofit organizations.
Per a besieged media site owner/operator on Lou Dobbs a few minutes ago. "Twitter forced 4.5 million conservatives off their 'service platform' last Friday."
I am one of those 4.5 million. The mistake that Parler made was using Amazon's AWS to host its servers. I opened an account on Gab.com last night. The service is very slow right now and it took me a long time to sign up and get logged in.
Gab uses its own servers to host the application and they are currently building 10 new servers to handle all of the Parler users that have migrated. Aside from the slow performance, Gab looks very promising. It is not a Twitter clone and in some ways I like it better than either Twitter or Parler.
You need to stay off of it you are being radicalized
1. Repealing Section 230 would force companies to patrol their platforms more.
B. Parler had a massive hack. Now all those innocent posts (deleted too), direct messages, ss numbers, and Photo Ids are floating across the internet. The FBI now has a database for these radical Americans.
(01-11-2021, 10:16 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]1. Repealing Section 230 would force companies to patrol their platforms more.
B. Parler had a massive hack. Now all those innocent posts (deleted too), direct messages, ss numbers, and Photo Ids are floating across the internet. The FBI now has a database for these radical Americans.
Your Number B is pure disinformation. You obviously have never been on Parler and are just repeating some talking points. I don't know of any legitimate social media application that requires you SSN and one would be a fool to enter that information if prompted for it. There is also no way to determine if a photo belongs to the person who actually registered.
(01-11-2021, 10:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2021, 10:16 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]1. Repealing Section 230 would force companies to patrol their platforms more.
B. Parler had a massive hack. Now all those innocent posts (deleted too), direct messages, ss numbers, and Photo Ids are floating across the internet. The FBI now has a database for these radical Americans.
Your Number B is pure disinformation. You obviously have never been on Parler and are just repeating some talking points. I don't know of any legitimate social media application that requires you SSN and one would be a fool to enter that information if prompted for it. There is also no way to determine if a photo belongs to the person who actually registered.
Ok, Hoot, you’re always right.
Except there was a hack.
The amount of information could be bad for those “verified” “influencer” type folks who had to submit that info.
Hope you’ve kept your nose clean on there, Hoot.